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[epeeist]

SPOILERS (and possible solution re dwarf romance "ick" factor?)

For story reasons, I thought a female dwarf commoner (i.e. Rica's younger sister) was "better" than a male dwarf commoner. For similar story (role-playing) reasons, I thought that given Rica's experiences (and Leske's later betrayal of the PC - unspoken but clear implication they were an "item", I thought) that the character of Rica's younger sister might be inclined not to engage in any romance beyond flirting at the most, with any NPC within the relatively short time frame of DA:O.

Of the endings (throne room discussion) and epilogues I've played and/or read, dwarf commoner is my favourite. Unfortunately, I doubt there would be any related dialogue with Sigrun in Awakenings (just as there wasn't with Anders with a mage PC who had freed the circle from the templars).

Similarly, I thought a female city elf makes a better story than a male (slight difference in the origin story I think b/w being rescued and fighting out vs. attempting rescue) and given that origin (including rape of one cousin and murder of another, death of your husband-to-be albeit arranged, the character dies helping to rescue your character), there would similarly in my view be a disinclination to engage in romance with anyone in the short term.

In other words, just don't carry on a romance = solution to OP's problem so long as it makes "sense" to you.

Or, it might be that while I thought a female dwarf commoner (or female city elf) was better for story reasons, as a male I had problems with "my" character engaging in a romance as a female and so wanted a "good" reason/justification to avoid such...[grin]

Modifié par epeeist, 03 avril 2010 - 01:14 .

[MutantSpleen]

Hands down, dwarf noble is my favorite origin. My dwarf noble had no problems romancing anyone. Dwarf women too short? I don't get it? They are not really that short.  Probably around 5 feet tall, plenty of human women around that size. 

I romanced both Alistair and Zevran with my first dwarf noble. I think dwarf women are incredibly cute.  I also must say Gorim really won a place in my heart, he is great.
"I will always love you my lady."

I just started a new dwarf noble because I want to play her more ruthless, I was way too nice in my first play.

Picture of me and Gorim

http://social.biowar.../435512/9239554

[Casper]

I just finished with a noble dwarf warrior, I managed to have a romance with Leliana since I absolutely love her accent...yes sometimes that is just what it takes

[Kryyptehk]

epeeist wrote...

SPOILERS (and possible solution re dwarf romance "ick" factor?)

For story reasons, I thought a female dwarf commoner (i.e. Rica's younger sister) was "better" than a male dwarf commoner. For similar story (role-playing) reasons, I thought that given Rica's experiences (and Leske's later betrayal of the PC - unspoken but clear implication they were an "item", I thought) that the character of Rica's younger sister might be inclined not to engage in any romance beyond flirting at the most, with any NPC within the relatively short time frame of DA:O.

I didn't think Leske and the Commoner were an item because he talks about wanting to sleep with your sister and says the line "When I with another woman, the last thing I think about is you."

My Commoner (who I quit playing after Orzammar) romanced Alistair, because I thought that after growing up in Dust Town, she deserved to be with a guy who was pretty much "the perfect guy". Not that he is, but with his square jaw, muscular build and being a pretty good guy, he certainly seems that way:P. First appearances anyway.

[Sarah1281]

I know what you mean, and I think I have my DN's future all planned out. I just wish you could go back to Orzammar with Gorim and get married and such. Can you? Or is Gorim not a romance option

He is in the Origin, but then he's tragically married. We never do find out what happened to his wife (whethe she survived or would be okay with going to Orzammar which I doubt) so there's always hope, right?

[Gilsa]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Hands down, dwarf noble is my favorite origin. My dwarf noble had no problems romancing anyone. Dwarf women too short? I don't get it? They are not really that short.  Probably around 5 feet tall, plenty of human women around that size. 

I romanced both Alistair and Zevran with my first dwarf noble. I think dwarf women are incredibly cute.  I also must say Gorim really won a place in my heart, he is great.
"I will always love you my lady."

I just started a new dwarf noble because I want to play her more ruthless, I was way too nice in my first play.

Picture of me and Gorim

http://social.biowar.../435512/9239554

You two are sooo cute. I love it!! <3

Edit: And I think I've played the DN three times now. I kept wanting to tweak her story or try out a different path instead. When I read DG's comments about human and dwarf unions and how rare they were and how it'd probably be a stigma back in Orzammar, it allowed me to pick the "I don't know that we have a future" option with Alistair and I really liked how that conversation panned out. (The "we stick together no matter waht!!" response seemed too clingy for me. =p)

Modifié par Gilsa, 03 avril 2010 - 07:00 .

[Gilsa]

epeeist wrote...

Of the endings (throne room discussion) and epilogues I've played and/or read, dwarf commoner is my favourite. Unfortunately, I doubt there would be any related dialogue with Sigrun in Awakenings (just as there wasn't with Anders with a mage PC who had freed the circle from the templars).]

I'm a little confused. Have you played the commoner in Awakening? While Sigrun and the DC don't know each other personally, I thought out of the dwarf noble, commoner, and orlesian, her reaction to meeting the DC was the best.

[Sarah1281]

While Sigrun and the DC don't know each other personally, I thought out of the dwarf noble, commoner, and orlesian, her reaction to meeting the DC was the best.

What does she say to the DC? I really liked her reaction to the DN, it was like 'Finally! Someone remembers me!'

[Gilsa]

Sigrun: "It's you! You're the duster who became a Grey Warden! I can't believe it's you."
DC: "You know about me?"
Sigrun: "I'd get you to sign my helmet if I could. I know someone back in Dust Town who would sell his teeth for something like that. But ... well, I can't go back. Legion of the Dead, you see. They don't like it when you go back."

(And then she continues into regular dialogue about getting back to the darkspawn in Kal'Hirol and how she's the only one left in her crew now.)

Edit: Sigrun's quest was bugged for my DN and orlesian so I wasn't actually able to do it until the commoner. I don't know if her personal quest has a different flavor based on the origins, but I plan on doing the noble again eventually specifically for Sigrun so we'll see.

Modifié par Gilsa, 03 avril 2010 - 07:20 .

[Kryyptehk]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I know what you mean, and I think I have my DN's future all planned out. I just wish you could go back to Orzammar with Gorim and get married and such. Can you? Or is Gorim not a romance option

He is in the Origin, but then he's tragically married. We never do find out what happened to his wife (whethe she survived or would be okay with going to Orzammar which I doubt) so there's always hope, right?

Tis a shame, I love the scene in the prison when they hold each other for the last time.

I plan on romancing Alistair with my DN and making him king (probably marrying him off to Anora). She's going to realize that she really wants to go back to Orzammar where she is doubtful that Alistair would be happy and marrying Alistair and Anora is best for Ferelden so she gives Alistair up to avoid worst heartbreak later.

Then, hopefully Gorim's wife dies and DN and Gorim go back to Orzammar. They then get married because who gives a crap if she's marrying under her station, she's a Paragon.

[Addai]

I have trouble finishing the game with a dwarf, but have a DNF character now and she just might make it.  The DN origin is awesome and it is also interesting taking her back to Orzammar.  Having to decide whether to put Bhelen or Harrowmont on the throne... hoo boy...

The height and chubby proportions aren't my favorite, but really it's not so bad.  I actually think it's kind of cute in terms of the romance.  Especially with Zevran, as he's not that much taller in comparison really:





And as we remark often over in the Zevran fan thread, the DF (not sure it DM also) gets one of the sexiest kisses in the game, a kneeling, head-grabbing passionate smacker.  I hate to admit it, but I created DNF just for it. 

[Sarah1281]

Then, hopefully Gorim's wife dies and DN and Gorim go back to Orzammar. They then get married because who gives a crap if she's marrying under her station, she's a Paragon.

Actually, at the end the DN can say 'So I'm an Aeducan again' and Gorim replies 'As am I' and when Alistair addresses Gorm at the DN funeral, he calls him 'Gorim of House Aeducan' so he is a noble now. You'd be of the same House but not related or you could always point out that technically you're your own House as a Paragon (but given how powerful the Aeducans are and they could very well still have the throne, cutting those ties might not be smart).

[Kryyptehk]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Then, hopefully Gorim's wife dies and DN and Gorim go back to Orzammar. They then get married because who gives a crap if she's marrying under her station, she's a Paragon.

Actually, at the end the DN can say 'So I'm an Aeducan again' and Gorim replies 'As am I' and when Alistair addresses Gorm at the DN funeral, he calls him 'Gorim of House Aeducan' so he is a noble now. You'd be of the same House but not related or you could always point out that technically you're your own House as a Paragon (but given how powerful the Aeducans are and they could very well still have the throne, cutting those ties might not be smart).

Yeah, I'm pretty sure my DN would just create her own house, because how awesome would it be for people to have your name as their last name? So Gorim wouldn't be an Aeducan for very long:lol:.

But it would be kinda weird having your wife's name as your last name. And what about the Paragon themselves? Are they just called by their first name (Bolana, for my DN) or would it be Bolana Bolana?

[Radahldo]

I liked being able to have a son. Also, being able to show concern for him and his mothers welfare. My DN named his Duncan.

I think Paragons are only called by their first name with "paragon", if one is obeying formalities,  always preceeding it.

Modifié par Radahldo, 03 avril 2010 - 09:19 .

[thesuperdarkone]

dwarves are awesome

[CalJones]

Heh, my DN called his son Gorim.

I also liked being able to have a son - it's not so easily done once your warden's been through the joining.

[TheComfyCat]

Why play as a dwarf? Because if you wait to get the massage from Zev, then you get one of the best kisses in the game! (ejoslin's Zev FAQ mentions it in more detail)





Pictures don't really do it justice, though...

But dwarves are fun, and have very compelling origin stories. I prefer the DN origin, because I love Gorim. You get some pretty great dialogue with him. I think Orzammar is also much more fun as a dwarf.

Modifié par senorfuzzylips, 03 avril 2010 - 09:54 .

[Sarah1281]

But dwarves are fun, and have very compelling origin stories. I prefer the DN origin, because I love Gorim. You get some pretty great dialogue with him. I think Orzammar is also much more fun as a dwarf.

Who doesn't love Gorim? Well, Oghren, apparently, but he's just jealous. And very lucky he never called Gorim the DN's bootlicker in a DN game.



I definitely agree that caring about the succession makes Orzammar muc less tedius since it's SO long...

[epeeist]

Gilsa wrote...

Sigrun: "It's you! You're the duster who became a Grey Warden! I can't believe it's you."
DC: "You know about me?"
Sigrun: "I'd get you to sign my helmet if I could. I know someone back in Dust Town who would sell his teeth for something like that. But ... well, I can't go back. Legion of the Dead, you see. They don't like it when you go back."

(And then she continues into regular dialogue about getting back to the darkspawn in Kal'Hirol and how she's the only one left in her crew now.)

Edit: Sigrun's quest was bugged for my DN and orlesian so I wasn't actually able to do it until the commoner. I don't know if her personal quest has a different flavor based on the origins, but I plan on doing the noble again eventually specifically for Sigrun so we'll see.

Thanks for posting this, it reinforces my suspicions. As you know, assuming one sides with Bhelen, in the endgame throne room one's sister Rica (the dwarven ambassador!) lets you know that the assembly has designated your character (and entire family) warrior caste (and that one's mother has even stopped drinking, etc.). And the epilogue notes that several months later one's character is unanimously elected paragon.

Now, even if the timeframe of Awakening is too soon for the paragon news, I would have wanted/expected the dialogue to note the warrior caste aspect, since that would in many ways be more significant to a dwarf than becoming a grey warden, one would think. The failure for the characters to discuss such major news (unfortunately I expected the lack based on the mage PC dialogue with Anders as noted) bothers me from a story point of view.

[Sarah1281]

Yeah, Sigrun's really out of the loop since she doesn't make many trips back. As a DN she knows you were exiled and presumed dead but didn't know you became a GW and elected the new King, but she did hear about their being a new King (probably because the Legion was so thrilled that they can start doing things again).

[packardbell]

 I've been trying myself but it's just too hard... getting over the whole Dwarves are sidekicks and not main characters thing is extremeley hard.

[Kryyptehk]

packardbell wrote...

 I've been trying myself but it's just too hard... getting over the whole Dwarves are sidekicks and not main characters thing is extremeley hard.

I know what you mean. I can't think of my character as the hero, because usually my heroes are kick-ass, leggy girls who can easily dispatch a wave of darkspawn. It's weird playing a small, cute, kick-ass dwarf who can easily dispatch a wave of darkspawn lol.

Which is a shame, because the Origin stories are among my favorite. Heck, after playing the Human Noble so much, the Dwarf Noble is a lot more interesting now.

[Gilsa]

Yeah, Sarah's right -- Sigrun does explain why she's out of the loop. (Personally I was just happy she acknowledged me as a fellow dwarf because I was so thrilled to meet her.) I'm enclosing the dialogue for the other two for comparison purposes. I'm tempted to make a video of all three versions and upload it to youtube for the dwarf lovers. =p

Noble
Sigrun: "You're ... you're from House Aeducan! I heard about you! They exiled you! Everyone thought you were dead!"
DN: "I'm not; I joined the Grey Wardens, crowned the new king ..."
Sigrun: "The Wardens saved you? And I heard about the new king, but didn't know it was you who did it. Wow. Everyone must have been talking about you. I've been away from Orzammar too long. Legion of the Dead business. They get annoyed if you go back, even if you're just looking for the latest gossip. Anyway, I can't chat for long. I should probably go back ... as foolish as that sounds ... see if there's anything I can do."
(Sigrun then elaborates on the darkspawn threat in Kal'Hirol from there.)

Orlesian dwarf
Sigrun: "(Exhales) I'm glad you came along when you did. Are you part of a Deep Roads expedition from Orzammar? I'm with the Legion of the Dead. Well, not anymore I suppose, but up to an hour ago ..."
Orlesian: "I'm from Orlais."
Sigrun: "Orlais? From the surface? Fascinating. I know so little about the surface world. Anyway, I can't chat for long. I should probably go back ... as foolish as that sounds ... see if there's anything I can do."
(Sigrunthen elaborates on the darkspawn threat in Kal'Hirol from there.)

Modifié par Gilsa, 03 avril 2010 - 10:49 .

[Gilsa]

Sarah1281 wrote...

But dwarves are fun, and have very compelling origin stories. I prefer the DN origin, because I love Gorim. You get some pretty great dialogue with him. I think Orzammar is also much more fun as a dwarf.

Who doesn't love Gorim? Well, Oghren, apparently, but he's just jealous. And very lucky he never called Gorim the DN's bootlicker in a DN game.

LOL. The sweet irony is that both Gorim and Oghren are voiced by the same person (Steve Blum).

[jsachun]

Male commoner DW rogue-Jisp.



His excuse for no romance through game.

Jisp: Those Human wenches are just not buxom enough for my tatse.

Modifié par jsachun, 03 avril 2010 - 10:59 .