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[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

If that were the case, though, why would ANY parents admit that their child was a brand?

There might be a statute of time in which the father can claim parentage. Most would be happy to do so, low birthrate and all.

I like this idea, and stealing it for my canon. Perhaps up to 18 months?

[BigBad]

Now that Sarah has brought it up, it does seem to make more sense for it to be done at the naming. I imagine that if both parents have a brand, or if the same-sex parent has a brand, then it'll be done at birth since there's obviously no contesting the caste. Zerlinda's kid is casteless by Orzammar law, being the son of a casteless father. Even if she is taken back by her family and retains her place in the Mining Caste, her son is still casteless. So, I imagine that he does have a brand and it's simply not brought up.

[Sarah1281]

So...basically its done at the birthing ceremony which has to take place within the first year and a half of the child's life?

[Costin_Razvan]

How is the Shaperate even able to do it, though? I mean I can't imagine their hold on Dust Town, even before Jarvia, was all that strong enough to just force people.



I imagine they some sort of nursery, where you can take your child for free but in return they are branded.

[BigBad]

If the caste is contested, yeah, seems to fit. Naming probably takes place on the one-year anniversary of the birth, since 'name-days' are the equivalent to 'birthdays'. This fits in with the DN's kid, since the kid would have been born 9 months after he was exiled and he's been gone for about a year and a half. Counting the time spent running errands for his candidate in Orzammar and tracking Branka in the Deep Roads, I imagine the son is coming up on his first year.

[soignee]

MYSTERY SOLVED, DWARF THREAD *stamps paperwork*

[BigBad]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

How is the Shaperate even able to do it, though? I mean I can't imagine their hold on Dust Town, even before Jarvia, was all that strong enough to just force people.

I imagine they some sort of nursery, where you can take your child for free but in return they are branded.

It's pretty clear that the Shaperate doesn't oversee the births of casteless. The Shaper of Memories won't even acknowledge that you've ever been to Orzammar before if you grew up in Dust Town. It's likely something done by Dust Town midwives or equivalents, since it's illegal -not- to brand a casteless child. If they don't, the first time that kid is nabbed by a guard for walking the Commons without a brand, he'd be in trouble and then branded anyway.

[Costin_Razvan]

How would they tell he was a duster anyway? I mean you could probably sneak past the guards. Children are experts at this kind of thing.

Soignee; I can't tell how much I like the image you gave of Dust Town, quite perfect.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 21 mai 2010 - 11:18 .

[Herr Uhl]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

How would they tell he was a duster anyway? I mean you could probably sneak past the guards. Children are experts at this kind of thing.

Since nobody would take care of him, and he couldn't be traced to any parent in the shaperate.

Only a matter of time.

Edit: And most dwarves would point that child out as a casteless anyways. They want no such filth in their streets.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 21 mai 2010 - 11:21 .

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

How would they tell he was a duster anyway? I mean you could probably sneak past the guards. Children are experts at this kind of thing.

Soignee; I can't tell how much I like the image you gave of Dust Town, quite perfect.

Well, they'll be the ones dressed in rags, won't they?

[thegreateski]

Alright . . . I was just playing through the Deep Roads on my mage and quiet suddenly I found myself being slapped in the face with something so utterly insane It makes my brain hurt to think about it.



What the hell are those . . . things . . . in the Dead Legion shrine? There's no way they can be ghosts.

[BigBad]

Dwarf ghosts are not uncommon in certain places. I guess it makes sense: they are barred from the Fade, so where would they go? Just a theory.

[Herr Uhl]

They would be spirits, not ghosts. A rip in the veil I guess.

[thegreateski]

Maybe . . . the anvil of the void causes it?



Most "ghosts" you see down there have at least one golem with them.

[BigBad]

There are no Dwarf Spirits on the other side of the Veil. Dwarves do not naturally enter the Fade, either in dreams or death.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Dwarves believe their spirits return to the Stone, where they linger. That explains the spirits in Kal Hirol that duplicated the battle (a sequence which I loved btw). I am willing to bet it's lyrium. The same Lyrium that created those "efects" in the Sacred Ashes temple.

[Herr Uhl]

But the fade could try to replicate dwarves. They are a part of the real world after all.

[Sarah1281]

thegreateski wrote...

Maybe . . . the anvil of the void causes it?

Most "ghosts" you see down there have at least one golem with them.

There might be something to that. If you go the talk-Branka-into-suicide route and she starts going on about hearing voices you can tell her it's probably just the spirits trapped in the Anvil. Seems kind of a weird option to have if she's just being a crazy person.

[BigBad]

Why would Fade spirits be guarding dwarven holy places, like the Legion shrine? Dwarves cannot manipulate Fade energies, which prevents them from working magic to summon or command spirits to do their bidding. They couldn't even commune with the spirits unless the Veil was already torn and some had crossed over.

[Sarah1281]

Not Fade spirits, the spirits of the dwarves who were turned into golems. Or the PC could just be trying to work the crazy person...

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Not Fade spirits, the spirits of the dwarves who were turned into golems. Or the PC could just be trying to work the crazy person...

The spirits of those turned to golems are trapped in the anvil, so they can't be there.

It's most likely lyrium creating those spirits. And remember there is also a fade spirit in the Legion shrine, that you can summon.  

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 22 mai 2010 - 02:38 .

[Herr Uhl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Not Fade spirits, the spirits of the dwarves who were turned into golems. Or the PC could just be trying to work the crazy person...

The spirits of those turned to golems are trapped in the anvil, so they can't be there.

It's most likely lyrium creating those spirits. And remember there is also a fade spirit in the Legion shrine, that you can summon.  

Lyrium is the fade in condensed form, kinda. So weird things is bound to happen.

[Sarah1281]

Could that have been what happened to Shale? Wilhelm found some way to restore her spirit to her?

[BigBad]

Eh, the golem angle has merit, but the simplest explanation is that the spirits of dead dwarves do in fact linger in the Stone as the dwarves believe, since they are barred from the Fade. I really don't see any reason that the 'spirits' couldn't just be dwarf ghosts. It makes a lot of thematic sense for the Dead Trenches and explains the similiar experience in Kal'Hirol, where the ghost/spirit/things were obviously not turned into golems, but still appeared as apparitions replaying the battle over and over.

[thegreateski]

Do they even have to be spirits? Maybe they're just "echos"?





Violent echos . . . that have weapons . . . and can bleed . . .