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[Herr Uhl]

Casteless aren't allowed to be the servants of nobles, the prospect of a kid is necessary for there to be any accepted interaction. I don't think there are many noble philanthropists, but one couldn't stop them from giving money to casteless I guess.

[Cypher0020]

Ok how come Orzzamar never sleeps? Threat of the darkspawn? They're nocturnal? I'd sleep with one eye open if I didn't live in the safety of the diamond quarter though.... yeesh.



How does royalty work again? Endrin is the current ruler with his three royal kids.... but what's the point of the Assembly then if the Aeducan line is the royal family? Have they always been or are they voted royal?

[Radahldo]

Doesnt Trians journal have some sorta timestamp?



Oghren also has heard of sunsets but talks about like its an unfamiliar concept, so that most likely means they don't use the sun to tell time.

[Herr Uhl]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ok how come Orzzamar never sleeps? Threat of the darkspawn? They're nocturnal? I'd sleep with one eye open if I didn't live in the safety of the diamond quarter though.... yeesh.

Lack of sun.

How does royalty work again? Endrin is the current ruler with his three royal kids.... but what's the point of the Assembly then if the Aeducan line is the royal family? Have they always been or are they voted royal?

The family of the king is royal, but the assembly dictates who succeeds the late king.

[Cypher0020]

oh yeah... underground..... so wouldn't the eyes hurt if you never saw the sun?



Ahhh so the Aeducans will always be royal even if the Assembly opts someone from Harrowmont's house as next ruler?

[Herr Uhl]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ahhh so the Aeducans will always be royal even if the Assembly opts someone from Harrowmont's house as next ruler?

No, then the house of that king is the royal one.

[Cypher0020]

Soooo then how can the Assembly pick another rule? Like you have to help either Behlen or Harrowmont...



Behlen should automatically be the next king then, right?

[Sarah1281]

Heh, very nice fanfic, Sarah!

Thanks.

--Are there male noble hunters?

I doubt it. If a female noble hunter has a daughter then that sucks for her and she has to try again but it doesn't really inconvenience the male noble. If a female noble has a casteles son then she just wasted a year of her life and is probably just going to throw the baby away. When female nobles reproduce they'd do it within marriage, I'd imagine.

so the Aeducans will always be royal even if the Assembly opts someone from Harrowmont's house as next ruler?

I think the 'royal family' is just Endrin and his kids because Houses are rather big and only Trian, DN, and Bhelen are referred to as a prince or princess. It's like if Teagan took the throne: Eamon is related to him but he wouldn't be royalty although any of Teagan's children would be and then the children of whoever succeeded him would be royalty. The DN would probably always be considered royalty upon returning even though the throne was with House Harrowmont (for now but it will be back...)

Modifié par Sarah1281, 09 avril 2010 - 03:18 .

[Herr Uhl]

It's not an absolute monarchy. The assembly picks the king for life, and the chosen successor of the king is usually accepted as heir for the throne. Endrin had no clear heir.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 09 avril 2010 - 03:20 .

[Cypher0020]

I just don't get why Trian thought he would be king... that was his fear however... I mean Behlen the PC or soemone from a totally different house could be the next king....

[Herr Uhl]

Cypher0020 wrote...

I just don't get why Trian thought he would be king... that was his fear however... I mean Behlen the PC or soemone from a totally different house could be the next king....

It's usual for the eldest child of the king to be the successor.

[Kryyptehk]

Cypher0020 wrote...

I just don't get why Trian thought he would be king... that was his fear however... I mean Behlen the PC or soemone from a totally different house could be the next king....

Because the Aeducans have been the ruling house for 9 (?) generations. I'm assuming that the kings get their eldest children ready to be king, so they are the best candidate. So after 9 generations of this, Trian probably just assumed that he would be the best candidate, until people start prefering you.

[Nethlek]

Well done with the knife of instant death there Sarah.

Modifié par Nethlek, 09 avril 2010 - 03:36 .

[Radahldo]

also, normally, the transfer of power usually goes more smoothly, with no ones 'honor' being so obviously tainted as it was with Bhelen. 

Speaking of that, what do you all think of Endrin? I think at some point Bhelen implies Endrin set his elder brother up to be killed by a known-murderer in a proving.

Modifié par Radahldo, 09 avril 2010 - 03:36 .

[Cypher0020]

Ahhhh.... so unless the next heir or something totally screws up then the Assembly steps it- or if there's politcal rumblings as the case with Trian and PC.... two sides supporting two different siblings and Behlen playing both for fools....



I really wanted my DN to be the next queen of Orzzamar....

[Herr Uhl]

Not really, Bhelen already had a great deal of the assembly eating out of his hand. It was the DN and Trian who were the fools.



And the assembly always votes.

[Sarah1281]

Well done with the knife of instant death there Sarah.

Glad you liked it.

Speaking of that, what do you all think of Endrin? I think at some point Bhelen implies Endrin set his elder brother up to be killed by a known-murderer in a proving.

He's just assuming that based on the suspicious circumstances behind the brother's death and using it to justify his actions to other people. Still, I'm inclined to believe that did happen. What was his brother like, I wonder? If he was utterly useless or corrupt then I might be able to understand why Endrin stopped him from becoming King.

I really wanted my DN to be the next queen of Orzzamar....

Then you have two choices: find a way to kill Bhelen within the next decade so Endrin's too young for the throne (but if you feel bad about stealing his birthright just make him your successor) but given how paranoid he is, it would be difficult. Or you could pick Harrowmont, destroy the Anvil so he quickly dies and gets nothing done, and in the meantime make full use of your status as Paragon/ender of the Blight/head of House Aeducan to make everyone love you again and try for Queen after he dies.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 09 avril 2010 - 04:23 .

[Gilsa]

Re: Transfer of power

Bhelen explains this a bit.

Bhelen: "Trian's decided you're a threat to his taking the throne. Maybe he's right."
PC: "I'm not the heir, he is!"
Bhelen: "Trian's the named prince, but only the Assembly can proclaim a king."
Bhelen: "It would be unusual for the Assembly to ignore the king's choice, but it does happen."
Gorim: "The founder of House Bemot became a Paragon and king in one move from the Assembly, and he was a commoner."
Bhelen: "The first Aeducan king wasn't even part of the house's leading family."
Bhelen: "That was an extraordinary case. But at least a half-dozen times, the Assembly named a lesser family member--or even someone from another house--as king."
(IF PC=Female) Bhelen: "Twice, it was a woman."
(IF PC=Male) Bhelen: "Usually it's the popular younger brother of an undesirable prince."
PC: "Does Trian think I'm courting the Assembly?"
Bhelen: "Look at it from his perspective. You're more personable then he's ever been."
Bhelen: "If you win glory against the darkspawn tomorrow, it will only strengthen the case for you as the next heir."
Bhelen: "Trian fears Father will replace him on the spot. If not, the Assembly will surely turn against him when Father dies."
Bhelen: "You know his pride will never allow him to step aside."
PC: "Gorim, what do you say?"
Gorim: "Permission to speak freely?"
PC: "Of course, my friend."
Gorim: "Trian would be a terrible king, but no one wants to say it. He has just enough backing in the Assembly to make it ugly when your father dies, but not enough to become king."
Gorim: "Killing him now makes your house stronger now and saves a great deal of bloodshed later."

Modifié par Gilsa, 09 avril 2010 - 04:06 .

[Gilsa]

Radahldo wrote...

Speaking of that, what do you all think of Endrin? I think at some point Bhelen implies Endrin set his elder brother up to be killed by a known-murderer in a proving.

Bhelen: "Well, who would have imagined..."
(IF PC=Female) Bhelen: "My big sister, back from the dead, and calling herself a Grey Warden."
(If PC=Male) Bhelen: "My big brother, returned from the grave, and with the might of the Grey Wardens behind him."
Bhelen: "I could hardly believe it when Vartag said you wished to help me regain the throne."
PC: "Why did you do it, Bhelen? What did I ever do to you?"
Bhelen: "You'd have acted against me in a heartbeat if I hadn't done it first. The same way you turned everyone in the Assembly against Trian."
Bhelen: "The same way our father--may the ancestors bless him--convinced his elder brother to enter a Proving against a convicted murderer."
(IF PC killed Trian) Bhelen: "The same way you killed Trian the minute he was a threat to you."
(If PC was framed) Bhelen: "Who do you think gave the murderer the poison to put on his blade?"
PC: "Father would never do that!"
Bhelen: "He was a second son who took the throne of Orzammar. Do you honestly believe he did nothing underhanded?"


Edit: I actually have not decided how I feel about Endrin. Bhelen could have just as easily been lying to my PC here so I took it with a grain of salt. As far as I know, he was my beloved father and I was the apple of his eye.

Modifié par Gilsa, 09 avril 2010 - 04:15 .

[Herr Uhl]

And Harrowmont is totally honest too. I believe Bhelen in this case.

Edit: I go by Pratchett's theory of grand viziers regarding Harrowmont.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 09 avril 2010 - 04:20 .

[soignee]

ah, dwarf politics. Good tiems.

[Sarah1281]

"calling herself a Grey Warden" vs. "and with the might of the Grey Wardens behind him"

What's with this? He doesn't believe his sister's a GW?

Modifié par Sarah1281, 09 avril 2010 - 04:25 .

[Gilsa]

Herr Uhl wrote...

And Harrowmont is totally honest too. I believe Bhelen in this case.

Edit: I go by Pratchett's theory of grand viziers regarding Harrowmont.

And it's time for Harrowmont quotage just to show him a bit of love. (After all, he DID send Gorim to tell you where the Grey Wardens were. He saved your life, people!)

PC: "Is it true my father wished you to be his heir?"
Harrowmont: "He knew what a poor king Bhelen would make; he saw it sooner than the rest of us."
Harrowmont: "One of his last requests was that I carry out his wishes as Orzammar's next king. It was the greatest honor of my life."
PC: "Bhelen says you're trying to usurp House Aeducan's rights."
Harrowmont: "House Aeducan ruled for nine generations through talent and honor, not by right."
Harrowmont: "It is the Assembly who makes a king, and a king who nominates his successor. None of it is carried in the blood."
PC: "Father would have wanted me to rule."
Harrowmont: "Once I would have agreed, but that caravan has long gone. House Aeducan struck your name from its records."
Harrowmont: "If you went before the Assembly now, you would be a casteless surfacer, with no support in Orzammar."

Explanation to the non-dwarven PCs:

PC: "Bhelen says you're trying to usurp his family's rights."
Harrowmont: "No one is born with rights to the throne. The sitting king may recommend a successor, but the Assembly ultimately decides who will rule."
Harrowmont: "Bhelen has lost nothing that ever belonged to him, and nothing that his own father thought he should have."
PC: "The Assembly has more power than the king?"
Harrowmont: "The Assembly represents the voices of the wisest, most noble families."
Harrowmont: "While we need a single king to preside over important functions and lead us in battle, the Assembly better represents all in Orzammar."
PC: "Bhelen says you're too weak to be king."
Harrowmont: "That is exactly why Endrin did not want Bhelen on the throne. To be king is not a position of strength, it is a position of respect."
Harrowmont: "In Orzammar, the Assembly makes the laws. The king must respect that. Fighting between king and Assembly has ever boded ill."

[Sarah1281]

Ah, now I'm changing my mind on who to support again! For non-DN it's always Bhelen but I can't make up my mind who to support as a DN. First it was Harrowmont, then Bhelen, and now it's Harrowmont again! Yeah, Bhelen makes a stronger ruler but some of us don't appreciate no longer existing.

[Cypher0020]

Ahhhhh dwarven politics confuse meeeeeeee!!!



So Behlen still hates you or what?! You're still a threat to him, even with Trian and Endrin dead.... and Harrowmont.... gaaaaaaaaaah!!



I don't know who to pick! Being a DN makes the choice even more confusing since you're close to both of them!



-headdesk-



I want Harrowmont to pick me as his heir.....