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[Sarah1281]

My Shepard was really pro-Alliance in ME1 but weren't really given that option come ME2.

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

My Shepard was really pro-Alliance in ME1 but weren't really given that option come ME2.

That is because you are outside of their jurisdiction for the most of the time.

[Gilsa]

Hey, when you got that data that could compromise Cerebus, what did you do? Did you pass it on to Cerebus, forward it to the Alliance or keep it to yourself? Just wondering if that'll carry over into ME3. Would be cool if it did.

[Herr Uhl]

Gilsa wrote...

Hey, when you got that data that could compromise Cerebus, what did you do? Did you pass it on to Cerebus, forward it to the Alliance or keep it to yourself? Just wondering if that'll carry over into ME3. Would be cool if it did.

My "canon" one kept it. Always good to have a bargaining chip.

[Kryyptehk]

Gilsa wrote...

Hey, when you got that data that could compromise Cerebus, what did you do? Did you pass it on to Cerebus, forward it to the Alliance or keep it to yourself? Just wondering if that'll carry over into ME3. Would be cool if it did.

I've never run into this quest, what is it?

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

Hey, when you got that data that could compromise Cerebus, what did you do? Did you pass it on to Cerebus, forward it to the Alliance or keep it to yourself? Just wondering if that'll carry over into ME3. Would be cool if it did.

I forwarded it to the Alliance. It will take them years to translate anyway and I barely knew anything about Cerberus at the time.

[Herr Uhl]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Hey, when you got that data that could compromise Cerebus, what did you do? Did you pass it on to Cerebus, forward it to the Alliance or keep it to yourself? Just wondering if that'll carry over into ME3. Would be cool if it did.

I've never run into this quest, what is it?

You go to a planet where eclipse (I think) have tortured Cerberus employees for information.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Gilsa wrote...

Hey, when you got that data that could compromise Cerebus, what did you do? Did you pass it on to Cerebus, forward it to the Alliance or keep it to yourself? Just wondering if that'll carry over into ME3. Would be cool if it did.

Kept it to myself of course.

@ Sarah. Whatever loyalty my Shepard had to the Alliance is gone when they decided that Reapers don't exist. That doesn't mean he hates the alliance and though he was dissapointed that the Alliance wasn't what he had hoped it would be when he let the council die, he is still mostly pleased with the results (after he lsitened to the news that is).

But he was convinced that Cerberus could get the job done, and not the Alliance on its own. 

[Costin_Razvan]

Gilsa wrote...

Hey, when you got that data that could compromise Cerebus, what did you do? Did you pass it on to Cerebus, forward it to the Alliance or keep it to yourself? Just wondering if that'll carry over into ME3. Would be cool if it did.

Kept it for myself.

 I forwarded it to the Alliance. It will take them years to translate anyway and I barely knew anything about Cerberus at the time.

You can bet the data will never be decrypted by the Alliance. It will just "disappear" one day. 

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 mai 2010 - 12:47 .

[Sarah1281]

@ Sarah. Whatever loyalty my Shepard had to the Alliance is gone when they decided that Reapers don't exist. That doesn't mean he hates the alliance and though he was dissapointed that the Alliance wasn't what he had hoped it would be when he let the council die, he is still mostly pleased with the results (after he lsitened to the news that is).



But he was convinced that Cerberus could get the job done, and not the Alliance on its own.

See, I saved the Council since Anderson believed me and Anderson was pretty much the only Alliance guy with any semblance of power I saw all game I figured why not? I wasn't happy I had to find out about Kaidan from TIM, though.

[Sarah1281]

I forwarded it to the Alliance. It will take them years to translate anyway and I barely knew anything about Cerberus at the time.

You can bet the data will never be decrypted by the Alliance. It will just "disappear" one day.

If that happens and Cerberus gets it back that way then what's the harm? And how do you know it won't just 'disappear' from your possession?

[Gilsa]

Did you guys already discuss Legion's quest -- whether you destroyed the heretics or rewrote their data? Just curious what you did. I have a hardest time with that decision out of everything in the game.

[Herr Uhl]

Gilsa wrote...

Did you guys already discuss Legion's quest -- whether you destroyed the heretics or rewrote their data? Just curious what you did. I have a hardest time with that decision out of everything in the game.

Rewrite data.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...
See, I saved the Council since Anderson believed me and Anderson was pretty much the only Alliance guy with any semblance of power I saw all game I figured why not? I wasn't happy I had to find out about Kaidan from TIM, though.

Anderson does not mind the council dying (only initially is he shocked) and will say the same speech as Udina (albeit badly) about humanity seizing its destiny. Anderson is very pro-human, very loyal to the Alliance and he dislikes politics. I like him, though I prefer to keep him as an advisor to Udina (punching him is an advice), because I don't want him burdened with politics which he hates (and which Udina loves and is good at, per Anderson's admission in ME2).

 

[Costin_Razvan]

Because you have it on-board the Normandy, outside of the reach of Cerberus unless you want to give it to them. ( Miranda won't go behind your back, just for that )

The data will get lost by the Alliance, because of the sheer amount of influence Cerberus has inside it.

As for the Alliance. I saved the Council. Fools as they are, they serve their purpose, and I figure it will be easier to persuade them instead of a new Council, when the time comes. ( You will need the Turian fleet to help you...if it comes to using fleets )

Knight: Anderson does a better job then Udina, who simply makes nice for the new council, instead of slamming down his fist like Anderson does.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 mai 2010 - 12:53 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Gilsa wrote...

Did you guys already discuss Legion's quest -- whether you destroyed the heretics or rewrote their data? Just curious what you did. I have a hardest time with that decision out of everything in the game.

Rewrite.
And I really dislike the paragon / renegade divide, especially with this choice, as both decisions can be seen as morally questionable (though Legion considers both valid, as do I).

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 mai 2010 - 12:54 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I rewrote them as well. If only to get more troops against the reapers.

It's beyond stupid really. The paragon choices along the way are against rewriting them, but when you are the point of making the choice, rewriting is the paragon one?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 mai 2010 - 12:56 .

[Sarah1281]

Did you guys already discuss Legion's quest -- whether you destroyed the heretics or rewrote their data? Just curious what you did. I have a hardest time with that decision out of everything in the game.

I always have a hard time, too. I usually rewrite it, though.

Anderson does not mind the council dying (only initially is he shocked) and will say the same speech as Udina (albeit badly) about humanity seizing its destiny. Anderson is very pro-human, very loyal to the Alliance and he dislikes politics. I like him, though I prefer to keep him as an advisor to Udina (punching him is an advice), because I don't want him burdened with politics which he hates (and which Udina loves and is good at, per Anderson's admission in ME2).

Yeah, but saving the Council gives you less reason to be pissed at them in ME2 because the representative, Anderson, believes you and does what he can for you even though the Council doesn't want to hear about it so without metagaming I was still loyal enough to them.

[Gilsa]

My first run -- I just destroyed the heretics. If I could rewrite them, what was to keep them from being rewritten back from a different source? I figured destroying would mean fewer enemies to fight and they were just machines, right? And then someone had to point out that the rewritten heretics could be an asset for ME3 and I just wasn't sure anymore.

[Herr Uhl]

Gilsa wrote...

My first run -- I just destroyed the heretics. If I could rewrite them, what was to keep them from being rewritten back from a different source? I figured destroying would mean fewer enemies to fight and they were just machines, right? And then someone had to point out that the rewritten heretics could be an asset for ME3 and I just wasn't sure anymore.

Any platform could be rewritten. In that case it would also be logical to get rid of legion as he could be rewritten at any time.

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

My first run -- I just destroyed the heretics. If I could rewrite them, what was to keep them from being rewritten back from a different source? I figured destroying would mean fewer enemies to fight and they were just machines, right? And then someone had to point out that the rewritten heretics could be an asset for ME3 and I just wasn't sure anymore.

The virus is destroyed either way and Legion doesn't think it will be that easy to recreate if you pose this very question to him.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Knight: Anderson does a better job then Udina, who simply makes nice for the new council, instead of slamming down his fist like Anderson does.

Which is precicely the kind of attitude I don't want. Humanity is not yet reading to slam its fist. Playing the political BS is a necessity and Udina is good for it (Anderson admits it, Udina knows how to make things happen and who to contact).
And even when Anderson is councellor / chairman, he doesn't do squat about the collectors.

And I see Humanity being very active vis a vis the Batarians, regardless of who is chairman, so I don't think there is a big difference. I prefer having Anderson being an admiral and Udina being a politician, both of them in their respective speciality.

Sarah1281 wrote....
Yeah, but saving the Council gives you less reason to be pissed at them in ME2 because the representative, Anderson, believes you and does what he can for you even though the Council doesn't want to hear about it so without metagaming I was still loyal enough to them.

He still doesn't do much in that case. Yes, Anderson makes the council slightly more tolerable, but does not make them worth my while nor does he make me loyal to them.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 mai 2010 - 01:04 .

[Sarah1281]

He still doesn't do much in that case. Yes, Anderson makes the council slightly more tolerable, but does not make them worth my while nor does he make me loyal to them.

I wasn't talking about the Council but the Alliance. He calls the meeting, gets the Council to not try and send anyone after me, and even gives me back the title of Spectre which, while not much help, is still something even Udina admits is a good political move. Since he was the face of the Alliance in ME2 I had no reason to stop being loyal to them under these circumstances.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

He still doesn't do much in that case. Yes, Anderson makes the council slightly more tolerable, but does not make them worth my while nor does he make me loyal to them.

I wasn't talking about the Council but the Alliance. He calls the meeting, gets the Council to not try and send anyone after me, and even gives me back the title of Spectre which, while not much help, is still something even Udina admits is a good political move. Since he was the face of the Alliance in ME2 I had no reason to stop being loyal to them under these circumstances.

Udina admits it's a good political move because it shuts you up

My Shepard has two objectives:
- defeat the Reapers.
- Ensure humanity's interests and advancement.
The Alliance does not believe Reapers exist, so that's strike number 1.
The Alliance, while good and necessary for humanity, is not enough. 
Hence why he is loyal or at least very symathetic to Cerberus, as they share the same goals.

But like I said before, shepard doesn't dislike the alliance and sees them as being very useful for the future of humanity and in the war against the Reapers. But he is willing to bypass it when necessary. But he wouldn't plan to destroy it or anything. Just circumvent it.
 

[Costin_Razvan]

Which is precicely the kind of attitude I don't want. Humanity is not yet reading to slam its fist. Playing the political BS is a necessity and Udina is good for it

Anderson shows humanity has strength, while playing it nice. Udina shows no strength, and plays it like an idiot.