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Costin_Razvan wrote...

Which is precicely the kind of attitude I don't want. Humanity is not yet reading to slam its fist. Playing the political BS is a necessity and Udina is good for it


Anderson shows humanity has strength, while playing it nice. Udina shows no strength, and plays it like an idiot.


Not to mention that if it came down to it, he would betray the Alliance if it gave him power. He is not exactly worried about anything besides himself.

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By the way, I should probably warn you that since the Zev thread is full of Oghren, and the Ali thread is full of both Zevran and dwarves they threatened to come here.

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Costin_Razvan wrote...


Which is precicely the kind of attitude I don't want. Humanity is not yet reading to slam its fist. Playing the political BS is a necessity and Udina is good for it


Anderson shows humanity has strength, while playing it nice. Udina shows no strength, and plays it like an idiot.


I disagree. Udina did show that he will stand his ground when it comes to humanity's interests.

I would rather keep Anderson as an admiral, as he is not good at politics, and he says he can't even bother himself with diplomatic meetings and the like. Not the kind of attitude I want from a chairman.

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When does Udina show this? I'm not disagreeing, I just haven't played ME1 in forever and haven't tried putting Udina on the Council/as chairman.

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Sarah1281 wrote...

When does Udina show this? I'm not disagreeing, I just haven't played ME1 in forever and haven't tried putting Udina on the Council/as chairman.


He was very vocal about the Council's "anti-human bull-" and their inaction vis a vis Saren and Eden Prime. And he worked tirelessly to promote a human to the ranks of Spectres.
And Anderson says Udina is always standing up for humanity's interests and that he agrees with him, in ME1.

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O_o



when did we start talking about Mass Effect?? ....



wow... I should replay ME1 now that u think about it... or play Oblivion...

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Cypher0020 wrote...

O_o

when did we start talking about Mass Effect?? ....

wow... I should replay ME1 now that u think about it... or play Oblivion...


They like talking about it here cause the ME forums are full of idiots. All i can tell you is I romanced Garrus and THINGS WENT SPLOADEY BOOM when I played it. Oh and I killed Tali >.> Sorry Tali!

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I wanted to know if I should be concerned that the party members all disapprove with giving TIM the collector base at the end of ME2.

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soignee wrote...

They like talking about it here cause the ME forums are full of idiots. All i can tell you is I romanced Garrus and THINGS WENT SPLOADEY BOOM when I played it. Oh and I killed Tali >.> Sorry Tali!


But she was the only virgin on the ship (except for Grunt, Legion and possibly Joker)!

We could have used her to bribe Chtuhlu.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

soignee wrote...

They like talking about it here cause the ME forums are full of idiots. All i can tell you is I romanced Garrus and THINGS WENT SPLOADEY BOOM when I played it. Oh and I killed Tali >.> Sorry Tali!


But she was the only virgin on the ship (except for Grunt, Legion and possibly Joker)!

We could have used her to bribe Chtuhlu.

Not for long if Kal'Reegar has his way.

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Sarah1281 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

soignee wrote...

They like talking about it here cause the ME forums are full of idiots. All i can tell you is I romanced Garrus and THINGS WENT SPLOADEY BOOM when I played it. Oh and I killed Tali >.> Sorry Tali!


But she was the only virgin on the ship (except for Grunt, Legion and possibly Joker)!

We could have used her to bribe Chtuhlu.

Not for long if Kal'Reegar has his way.

Or the Irish guy in engineering.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

soignee wrote...

They like talking about it here cause the ME forums are full of idiots. All i can tell you is I romanced Garrus and THINGS WENT SPLOADEY BOOM when I played it. Oh and I killed Tali >.> Sorry Tali!


But she was the only virgin on the ship (except for Grunt, Legion and possibly Joker)!

We could have used her to bribe Chtuhlu.

Not for long if Kal'Reegar has his way.

Or the Irish guy in engineering.

Eh, his friend will probably put a stop to that.

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let's not forget ~~~~friend zone~~~~*~ Turian either, bless his virginal socks.

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Have you guys seen the gorgeous dwarven screenshots in the Alistair thread?

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OH WAIT. Are we having our dwarf derail -- however short lived it might be?

OKAY!! DWARF SCREENSHOTS WHILE IT'S HOT!

Before Alistair, there was Gorim as yer defender!
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WHY ARE YOU SUCH C*CKTEASES BIOWARE?? WHY??? Gorim!! *sob* Come baaack! =p
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I wanted to know if I should be concerned that the party members all disapprove with giving TIM the collector base at the end of ME2.

Probably as much as one gets concerned about companions in DA disapproving, i.e. none at all. They may bark but the caravan keeps on moving, and it'll get to the final destination no matter the choices made on the way, really.

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And Anderson says Udina is always standing up for humanity's interests and that he agrees with him, in ME1.


And then in ME2, Udina does squat. Appearance can be deceitful, and you just bought into Udina's.

Anderson at least is building trade agreements, convincing the Batarians to stand down on their WMD ( along with the council ),  doing his best as councilor to launch investigations into the Collectors, and lastly trying to keep it smooth with the aliens.

The different between him and Udina, is that he listens to Udina. While Udina doesn't listen to him in the slightest.

At this point, creating more tension between the different races ( as you do by appointing Udina and killing the Council ) is not the safe course of action. If humanity is going to rise, it will need to do in a smooth manner, not by irritating the hell out of everyone.

I prefer having the Council believe Shepard is a fool, let them think that...when I strike they won't expect it.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 mai 2010 - 02:06 .


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Costin_Razvan wrote...
Anderson at least is building trade agreements, convincing the Batarians to stand down on their WMD ( along with the council ),  doing his best as councilor to launch investigations into the Collectors, and lastly trying to keep it smooth with the aliens.


Udina is doing every single one of those. Under his leadership, the Alliance clamped down hard on the Batarians. And as Anderson said, Udina is focused on public relations and diplomacy, something Anderson admits he can't be bothered with, trade agreements and being smooth ot Aliens being part of it. And the investigation on the collectors is initated regardless of whether it's Anderson or Udina.

So nope, invalid argument.
I wonder if you ever tried to have Udina as councillor / chairman, before saying things that are not true. I tried both outcomes, with both as chairmen.

Costin_Razvan wrote...
The different between him and Udina, is that he listens to Udina. While Udina doesn't listen to him in the slightest.


Wrong, when Anderson is chairman / councellor, he doesn't bother informing Udina about Shepard, nor about his meeting and yells at him for asking for his advice to be heard.

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That's because he knew Udina would meddle and unless you blow the Council off then he's got it well under control. How does the meeting with the human reps go?

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Sarah1281 wrote...

That's because he knew Udina would meddle and unless you blow the Council off then he's got it well under control. How does the meeting with the human reps go?


Same can be said about Udina knowing Anderson would meddle and disrupt his work with public relations (meeting a Cerberus operative is not good for diplomacy).

If the council is dead, both Udina and Anderson are handling it pretty well. As Chairman, Udina is focused more on public relations and to smoothen things with aliens. Anderson is delegating Udina to do this when he is chairman.

And we never meet the human representatives. Just like we do not meet the new multi-racial council, if that was chosen.

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And the multi-racial council is the paragon option after you let the old Council die?

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And the multi-racial council is the paragon option after you let the old Council die?


I believe it was the neutral "middle" option.
The paragon one saved the council. Neutral had them die, but reconstituted. The renegade option had them die and replaced by an all human council.

The latter is my preferred outcome and apparently is TIM's as well.

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And the latter doesn't exist.

Or why would a all human council refuse to meet you because you left the old one to die?

I admittedly didn't stop to listen to Wong speaking about Udina as Councilor, because the sheer fact he wasn't able to place an all human council on the board, and that Anderson was telling me he was bending knee towards the Council, was all I needed to know about Udina's competence.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

And the multi-racial council is the paragon option after you let the old Council die?


I believe it was the neutral "middle" option.
The paragon one saved the council. Neutral had them die, but reconstituted. The renegade option had them die and replaced by an all human council.

The latter is my preferred outcome and apparently is TIM's as well.

So...Anderson and Udina let you decide if there is to be a new Council? And does the new Council have more species on it than just four? And I know that the rest of the galaxy hates you for the coup if you have a just-human council and are pretty pro-human if you save the Council. How are they if you let them die but reform it?

And I just found a really good fanfiction by Corvus corone. It does all six Origins at the Gauntlet but only two of them are really relevant here so...

Ruthless Lady Aeducan...

She had no place for guilt-ridden introspection or doubt. There was only the present and the future, the unwavering belief that she would find her way back to the throne of Orzammar, and this impertinent Guardian had no right to pry into her past. She refused his questions proudly, because she was an princess of House Aeducan and would not answer to these human gods and their disrespectful questioning.
In the same vein, this spectre of Trian had no place to demand remorse from her, or to wonder about her emotions. Of course she thought about her past – it was hard to completely block out that one catastrophic event that had brought down the whole of her own plans for the crown – and of course she acknowledged them, because after all, even princesses make mistakes and are outplayed by their little brothers. But she would not allow this crumbling human temple to search her soul and ask for meaningless apologies; she had not quite sunk to that level yet.
She did not have relics to remember her past by, and nor did she want them. Those memories were all too clear in her head, and in any case all her belongings had been stripped from her before her last descent into the Deep Roads. None of this had so far made any impression on the firmness of her ambitions or nature, and a ghost of a dead failure of a brother was hardly going to change that.

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Trying to escape Dust Town Brosca...

It seemed the Ancestors just couldn't let him forget, could they? He had tried to put Dust Town behind him and tried to accept this new destiny on the surface. He was no duster anymore – he was a Grey Warden, one of the last two in this Ferelden country, and he had to stop the Blight. No more scrounging for scraps at the feet of a crime lord thug and no more petty theft just to feed a drunken mother. He had almost succeeded as well. These days he didn't think about much else except how many darkspawn his axe had beheaded.
Still, returning to Orzammar and clearing out that Carta hideout that had started this whole business had taken its toll. Leske, that Stone-forsaken idiot, of course he would go and betray them. He should have seen it coming. In Dust Town, you couldn't count on your best friends to stay by you to any end, and Leske was no friend. Maybe he'd become too used to Alistair's brand of human honour, because he really shouldn't have been so surprised by the turn of events.
In any case, Leske was now well in the past, and the Jarvia business had shown him that Leske did indeed belong there. Since he had almost succeeded in moving on past his casteless origins, after the whole Orzammar treaty business it had not taken too long to forget about either of them. The Carta was just another irrelevant group and Leske was just a name, another death amongst countless others, barely connected to his story now.
Which made it all the more irritating when that false version of him had appeared to him in the Gauntlet and handed him that bloody necklace to remember him by. He did not want a reminder of Leske or Dust Town or, for that matter, anything from that blighted Orzammar. Of course he would look back with fond thoughts on Rica, but he could not imagine ever living in that place again, not even with his family in the royal palace. He was a true surface dwarf now. This amulet wasn't even dwarf-made; it was a mockery of his old life, baiting him to relive those unwelcome memories.
Gifts from the Fade had no place in his hands, anyway. He gave the pretty necklace to Morrigan and was glad to be rid of it.

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

And the latter doesn't exist.

Or why would a all human council refuse to meet you because you left the old one to die?


Because you are a Cerberus operative, and Cerberus is officially a terrorist organisation, making you a deserter, traitor and terrorist. That's why.

But yes, it does exist, just like the new multi racial council exists, even when we don't get to meet them.

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TIME FOR MORE SCREENSHOT GOODNESS OMMGGG

Everybody loves meeeee!
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Is it possible for this guy to look unawesome?
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Gorim <3
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This never gets old.
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This never gets old either.
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Exiled in the Deep Roads
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Got damn lucky with the lightning in the background *flex*
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Because I am just that awesome
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Even the dog has an opinion on dwarven arms, sheesh.
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Best part of the Alistair romance!
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Edit: Wait, did I say that was the best part of the romance? Nooooo, these are!!

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