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[Costin_Razvan]

But yes, it does exist, just like the new multi racial council exists, even when we don't get to meet them.

And pray tell, why would Udina have to deal with "public relations with the rest" of the human "council?" as Anderson puts it.



It just isn't there. And I loaded a full renegade into ME2 from ME1....was disappointed by this.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

And the multi-racial council is the paragon option after you let the old Council die?

I believe it was the neutral "middle" option.
The paragon one saved the council. Neutral had them die, but reconstituted. The renegade option had them die and replaced by an all human council.

The latter is my preferred outcome and apparently is TIM's as well.

So...Anderson and Udina let you decide if there is to be a new Council? And does the new Council have more species on it than just four? And I know that the rest of the galaxy hates you for the coup if you have a just-human council and are pretty pro-human if you save the Council. How are they if you let them die but reform it?

I think it's just four species.
And no, from my experience, aliens dislike humans regardless (the Turian in Thane's mission has his entire campaign based on anti-human setiments). It's just with different degrees. They hate humans more when they form an all-human council yes, but they are far from being pro-human if you save it. Not yet at least.

I did not try the middle option. But the idea that "you let the council die" would still be present I guess. And the fact that humanity is advancing way to fast for their liking. 

Furthermore, I think the middle option has humanity actually leading the council and not just be a part of it. But I might be wrong.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 mai 2010 - 02:35 .

[Sarah1281]

Nice, Gilsa. Your LA is so adorable. What's she wearing in the first one? In the second Duncna looks like he's twice as tall as Trian which I'm fairly certain isn't true. It's strange, in the dwarf origins it doesn't even really occur to you that you're short until Duncan shows up. Killing the scout is a must, definitely. Two bad those last two pictures wouldn't show up. I'm sure they'd be equally epic.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

But yes, it does exist, just like the new multi racial council exists, even when we don't get to meet them.

And pray tell, why would Udina have to deal with "public relations with the rest" of the human "council?" as Anderson puts it.

It just isn't there. And I loaded a full renegade into ME2 from ME1....was disappointed by this.

Public relation with aliens, as they are nations recognised by the Citadel. It's not public relatiosn with the rest of the counil, but with the Alien nations.  

Yes, it is there.

EDIT: the relation with the rest of the council is if you keep the old council or form a new one.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 mai 2010 - 02:42 .

[Gilsa]

I can't believe I forgot the obligatory sex scenes. Added those to the post!

[Gilsa]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Nice, Gilsa. Your LA is so adorable. What's she wearing in the first one? In the second Duncna looks like he's twice as tall as Trian which I'm fairly certain isn't true. It's strange, in the dwarf origins it doesn't even really occur to you that you're short until Duncan shows up. Killing the scout is a must, definitely. Two bad those last two pictures wouldn't show up. I'm sure they'd be equally epic.

She's wearing the noble outfit you buy from the silk vendor in the DN origin (you'll lose it after the exile). You get that outfit and the one that looks like the city elf wedding dress. Multiple copies if you want to dress up Gorim, too!

Edit: The last two Alistair pictures that you're referring to were just him saying he was worried he was too tall for the dwarf. Nothing major. Just dialogue you already know about. I figured the men would like to see that for themselves -- they'd appreciate it when someone treats a lady dwarf right, right? Right?

Modifié par Gilsa, 27 mai 2010 - 02:41 .

[Sarah1281]

  What is that...THING sticking out of Alistair's armpit? It kind of looks like he's developing a moob.

[Costin_Razvan]

I checked in my own playthrough, where I heard Udina about forming a new all human council...and on youtube renegade vids ( with imports by renegade characters from ME1 ).

It's not there.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 mai 2010 - 02:50 .

[Gilsa]

Sarah1281 wrote...

  What is that...THING sticking out of Alistair's armpit? It kind of looks like he's developing a moob.

Different screenshot. Does it look better in this light?




Edit: Oh, I see what the difference is. The top one is modded -- Alistair has a hairy chest there. Bottom picture is vanilla Alistair. Maybe the skin just gleams differently with the modded version.

Modifié par Gilsa, 27 mai 2010 - 02:49 .

[Radahldo]

That does look like a moob. Look like there is an unfortunate tanline on the moob,also.

[Sarah1281]

Possibly. But then I would have to acknowledge what it is a picture of, so...

[Gilsa]

WHY are you guys checking out Alistair's boobs when there's a much larger pair nearby?

[Sarah1281]

Well...in the first one I'd have to say his looks bigger.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I checked in my own playthrough...and on youtube renegade vids ( with imports by renegade characters from ME1 ).

It's not there. PC bug?

I tried to search for it on Youtube. The video posted there is with a new reformed council, where Udina is councilor and not Chairman.

I am positive that as chairman, he is not concerned with public relations with a human council, as that makes little sense, since all of them are from the Systems alliance. And If my memory is incorrect and that's possible as it's been a while, then this is writer error. Anderson and Udina say it plainly that Shepard being with Cerberus is just a diplomatic mess, showing how Udina is concerned about relations with aliens. And Anderson as chairman says that he can't be bothered to attend diplomatic meetings, so has Udina attend them. Which was my initial point. Udina does do his best to make it smooth with the aliens and is diplomatic towards them.

In any event, the differences are very minor, if existant. Seeing both Anderson and Udina as chairmen has no difference  at all. Both outcomes are the same and both do the same things, except Anderson gives you Specter status, while Udina doesn't.

It is quite possible that the multi-racial council ending and the all-human council ending both had the exact same dialogues, as they didn't bother making it different. Which is lazy.  Doesn't change my initial point. Udina is dealing with diplomacy, as a chairman or as an advisor.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 mai 2010 - 02:54 .

[mellifera]

HDU all Alistair has the most luscious moobs ever.

/driveby irrational Alistair fangirling

Modifié par yukidama, 27 mai 2010 - 02:53 .

[Radahldo]

His moobs do seem to be larger.

The dwarfs boobs are perfectly tanned, so there is no "Hey, this looks out of order' factor as there is with Alistair; thats what tips the scales.

[tmp7704]

Sarah1281 wrote...

What is that...THING sticking out of Alistair's armpit? It kind of looks like he's developing a moob.

Lyrium has many unfortunate side-effects on the young templars

[Gilsa]

[Costin_Razvan]

I tried to search for it on Youtube. The video posted there is with a new reformed council, where Udina is councilor and not Chairman.

I am positive that as chairman, he is not concerned with public relations with a human council, as that makes little sense, since all of them are from the Systems alliance

Well, here is a video. from a renegade.

So yeah. They were either too lazy to add an all human council in the game, or simply was not plausible for Udina to make it happen. ( Which again makes me think he is incompetent ).

The major thing that I have against Udina, is that he refuses to believe the reapers exist, while Anderson does. It is also why I believe keeping the Council alive is the safe course of action, cause they will be more likely to believe it when I shove the evidence right in their face.

In any event, the differences are very minor, if existant. Seeing both Anderson and Udina as chairmen has no difference at all. Both outcomes are the same and both do the same things, except Anderson gives you Specter status, while Udina doesn't.

Yep...I suppose they do the exact same things..Funny though. While I saw the Wong reports to be similar, I don't remember getting a galactic news entry regarding Udina making trade agreements, as I did with Anderson, but that might just be my memory.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 mai 2010 - 03:11 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I tried to search for it on Youtube. The video posted there is with a new reformed council, where Udina is councilor and not Chairman.

I am positive that as chairman, he is not concerned with public relations with a human council, as that makes little sense, since all of them are from the Systems alliance

Well, here is a video. from a renegade.

So yeah. They were either too lazy to add an all human council in the game, or simply was not plausible for Udina to make it happen. ( Which again makes me think he is incompetent ).

The major thing that I have against Udina, is that he refuses to believe the reapers exist, while Anderson does.

Yes that's the video I was talkign about and I assumed this is from the reformed council ending, as I don't remember having the exact same dialogue in my playthrough, with a supposed all human council. I don't recall Anderson talking about public relations with the council, as they were supposed to be all human.
But it could be they were too lazy to make an all human council scene.

And if Udina couldn't make an all human council, then neither could Anderson, if you choose him to be chairman. As such, both would be considered incompetent.

And yes of course, that's Udina's flaw, the Reaper issue and I understand. But I prefer to have Anderson stick with the military and be on stand by, as he knows the Reapers exist, instead of play political BS that he isn't good at. If he is made chairman, thgen he resigns from the miltiary, which I believe is a waste, he could be a good admiral.

Costin_Razvan wrote...

In any event, the differences are very minor, if existant. Seeing both Anderson and Udina as chairmen has no difference at all. Both outcomes are the same and both do the same things, except Anderson gives you Specter status, while Udina doesn't.

Yep...I suppose they do the exact same things..Funny though. While I saw the Wong reports to be similar, I don't remember getting a galactic news entry regarding Udina making trade agreements, as I did with Anderson, but that might just be my memory.

I am going to load my playthrough and listen to all Wong's reports.
I do not recall any explicit talk of trade agreements in a supposed all human setting. Perhaps you get it with a new council?

[Costin_Razvan]

It happens regardless if the Council is alive or not, its about the third or fourth Galactic news with Anderson as Councilor, and doing an interview.

 But it could be they were too lazy to make an all human council scene.

They were too lazy to acknowledge that you even had a particular moral path when importing. You start out neutral in everyone's eyes.

If he is made chairman, thgen he resigns from the miltiary, which I believe is a waste, he could be a good admiral.

Yes, but he isn't in charge of the military or anything. He is just given a rank, as a captain being the advisor for Udina would be out of place, he doesn't have a military say or anything, ( and he points that out ).

In essence, he got shafted.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 mai 2010 - 03:27 .

[Highdragonslayer]

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Not to love der fuehrer is a great disgrace
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Is we not the supermen?
Aryan pure supermen?
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Super duper supermen
Is this Nutzi land so good
Would you leave it if you could?
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We wouldn't leave it if we could

We bring to the world New Order
Heil Hitler's world New Order
Everyone of foreign race
Will love der fuehrer's face
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If one little shell would blow him right to (hell)
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I don't know I just thought this had relevance to this thread.

Modifié par Highdragonslayer, 27 mai 2010 - 03:26 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

It happens regardless if the Council is alive or not, its about the third or fourth Galactic news with Anderson as Councilor, and doing an interview.

I didn't get it with either Udina or Anderson as Chairman. Xbox / PC difference?

What I got is that the Alliance started a surprise raid with its SSV Ain Jalut on Batarian controversial solar rays and destroyed them, with civilian deaths. Udina said in an interview that the Alliance is going to deal with any threat decisevely. Anderson expresses regret to civilian casualties and hopes the Batarian hegemony would collaborate in the future, but that's after attacking them which seems meeh.

Costin_Razvan wrote...

If he is made chairman, thgen he resigns from the miltiary, which I believe is a waste, he could be a good admiral.

Yes, but he isn't in charge of the military or anything. He is just given a rank, as a captain being the advisor for Udina would be out of place, he doesn't have a military say or anything, ( and he points that out ).

So in essence, he got shafted.

He is still admiral and if need be, could rejoin the military.

I do not have a problem with Anderson as chairman, as there is little difference. But even with Anderson as Chairman, he relies on Udina to do most of the work. Hence why I think Udina is more qualified for the job.

[Sarah1281]

I didn't get it with either Udina or Anderson as Chairman. Xbox / PC difference?



What I got is that the Alliance started a surprise raid with its SSV Ain Jalut on Batarian controversial solar rays and destroyed them, with civilian deaths. Udina said in an interview that the Alliance is going to deal with any threat decisevely. Anderson expresses regret to civilian casualties and hopes the Batarian hegemony would collaborate in the future, but that's after attacking them which seems meeh.

I got Anderson doing the trade agreements for the XBox. Maybe it had to do with a different choice made in ME1?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I didn't get it with either Udina or Anderson as Chairman. Xbox / PC difference?

What I got is that the Alliance started a surprise raid with its SSV Ain Jalut on Batarian controversial solar rays and destroyed them, with civilian deaths. Udina said in an interview that the Alliance is going to deal with any threat decisevely. Anderson expresses regret to civilian casualties and hopes the Batarian hegemony would collaborate in the future, but that's after attacking them which seems meeh.

I got Anderson doing the trade agreements for the XBox. Maybe it had to do with a different choice made in ME1?

Maybe it's not Emily Wong, but the other news thing. I'll check it out with both Anderson and Udina.