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[Sarah1281]

You've read all of it? It's around 200K!
And I hate depressing endings. I'm not exactly reading fantasy fiction for the realism, you know.

[Costin_Razvan]

I have read from the Landsmeet onwards.

But if I put my mind to it. I could read it all quickly in a few hours. ( and Maker's breath. I will )

I'm not exactly reading fantasy fiction for the realism, you know.

Most women are probably in this for their white knight ending. I despise that. This story has a real depth to it.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 28 mai 2010 - 02:39 .

[Sarah1281]

Most women are probably in this for their white knight ending. I despise that. This story has a real depth to it.

I'm not even doing a romance beyond 'WTF? You're married?!?!' so that's not what I'm doing it for. Although if we land in an improbable situation for DA2 like how Revan up and vanished in KotOR2 then I'm going to feel free to ignore that.

[ejoslin]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I have read from the Landsmeet onwards.

But if I put my mind to it. I could read it all quickly in a few hours. ( and Maker's breath. I will )

I'm not exactly reading fantasy fiction for the realism, you know.

Most women are probably in this for their white knight ending. I despise that. This story has a real depth to it.

Are most women looking for that really?  I love the Alistair endings, even (maybe especially) the tragic ones.  Yes, there are a huge group of women out there who want the romance man, but I think there are plenty who like the flawed man as well.

[Costin_Razvan]

Two of the three active threads are about romance. So yes, I would say that many are drawn in Dragon Age for the Romance.

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Two of the three active threads are about romance. So yes, I would say that many are drawn in Dragon Age for the Romance.

But most of the time they aren't even on topic and that doesn't mean everyone is looking for a happily-ever-after as far as romances go.

[ejoslin]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Two of the three active threads are about romance. So yes, I would say that many are drawn in Dragon Age for the Romance.

But romance and the "white knight" ending are two different things.

[Sarah1281]

So no one's been by in two hours and I manually took a few pictures so why not share? They're on topic and everything. My phone camera's not the best but I didn't feel like asking where the digital one was so oh well. I only did the beginning of the Origin (like, barely left the palace) so thus the lack of anyone but Aunn, Gorim, or Rica.
 


Rica.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Prettyyyy. I wonder if she took her looks from her mom. I RPed that Dain took his black hair from his mother, along with the standard blue Aeducan eyes.

[Gilsa]

YAY!! I finally get to see your dwarf -- she's so gorgeous, Sarah!! Those pictures are way more than adequate for PayRoo if you had wanted a commission from her. (Since you mentioned it earlier and all.)

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Prettyyyy. I wonder if she took her looks from her mom. I RPed that Dain took his black hair from his mother, along with the standard blue Aeducan eyes.

Thanks.

We don't know what Endrin looked like before his hair turned grey and we definitely have no idea what the Queen looked like (well, except that she was white or else her children's coloring makes no sense) but Aunn has the same hair color as Trian though a better skin tone (IMO) and a much smaller nose because...yeah, his is huge. Come to think of it, so is Bhelen's but I never notice that because his BA-ness makes up for it...

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

YAY!! I finally get to see your dwarf -- she's so gorgeous, Sarah!! Those pictures are way more than adequate for PayRoo if you had wanted a commission from her. (Since you mentioned it earlier and all.)

Thank.  And I also got my parents to agree to pay for it since they have a Paypal account and I don't. Another 'we missed you when you were at college' present, I guess. Now all I need to do is figure out what, exactly, I want in it...you wanted the goodbye with Gorim and Lady Jess wanted a jail cell one and then she also wants a Zevran kiss one...I'm sure I'll think of something sooner or later.

[Gilsa]

Payroo actually came up with the jail scene idea herself. I just told her I wanted Gilsa and Gorim together and she asked if I was open to the jail scene or if I wanted something else. Blew my mind how she actually drew it because I thought the bars were going to be a problem. I am actually toying with the idea of getting a second commission, but with my current DN and Alistair. I don't care about the "oh we're in love" aspect (because Gorim will pwn every time), but I may tell her to play up the royalty aspect of the DN and of King Alistair. I've always been amused by the idea of the DN possibly being a queen after Harrowmont dies, but in this game, Bhelen will rule and she's still technically royalty either way. Just let Payroo interpret that how she will and run with that idea. I won't get that anytime soon, of course. I want to finish my current game and get some more of my projects out of the way first. I think she's on break from school so there's plenty of time to put my request in. =p

Modifié par Gilsa, 28 mai 2010 - 05:06 .

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

Payroo actually came up with the jail scene idea herself. I just told her I wanted Gilsa and Gorim together and she asked if I was open to the jail scene or if I wanted something else. Blew my mind how she actually drew it because I thought the bars were going to be a problem. I am actually toying with the idea of getting a second commission, but with my current DN and Alistair. I don't care about the "oh we're in love" aspect (because Gorim will pwn every time), but I may tell her to play up the royalty aspect of the DN and of King Alistair. I've always been amused by the idea of the DN possibly being a queen after Harrowmont dies, but in this game, Bhelen will rule and she's still technically royalty either way. Just let Payroo interpret that how she will and run with that idea. I won't get that anytime soon, of course. I want to finish my current game and get some more of my projects out of the way first. I think she's on break from school so there's plenty of time to put my request in. =p

I can't get a sweet scene like that though because Aunn was all like 'I want to call him back but then Bhelen and the Assembly will have more of a scandal. Stupid pride.'

That stupid interesting. And if your DN becomes Queen and Alistair is King then that will definitely keep relations between the two kingdoms good.

I, of course, am assuming that if Harrowmont's King you'll succeed him and do not care if DA2 wants you to be the protagonist or has you pull a Revan. It would have to either take place within the four years I've decided Harrowmont is King or someone else will have to do it, just like how my canon has Loghain being the PC in Awakening. Seriously, they sent him to Orlais? Not on Anora's watch, they don't, especially since Aunn has far too much to do in Orzammar to go play Arlessa.

[Gilsa]

Aye. But in this game, since Bhelen is king and Alistair is king, I figured if she makes herself his chancellor, she can be the facilitator between Orzammar and Ferelden. Talk Alistair into sending human troops to help out with the Deep Roads. This is just pure RP, of course. It's the same thing as asking for troops as a dwarven boon, but via being chancellor instead and helping Alistair run the country without Bhelen feeling threatened by her presence since she is not returning to Orzammar (other than visits). I like this approach a lot. It really helps to keep the two dwarf nobles feeling very different in personality and playthroughs without her just being Gilsa 2.0 with the fairy tale ending of actually keeping her man. Gilsa is the commander, Vonren is the politician. =p



(Of course, I AM saving Orzammar for my very last treaty in case Harrowmont's death actually does let us be kings/queens so I can go back and crown Harrowmont instead, lol. =D C'mon, February, tell us what you have planned!)

[KnightofPhoenix]

Gilsa wrote...

Aye. But in this game, since Bhelen is king and Alistair is king, I figured if she makes herself his chancellor, she can be the facilitator between Orzammar and Ferelden. Talk Alistair into sending human troops to help out with the Deep Roads. This is just pure RP, of course. It's the same thing as asking for troops as a dwarven boon, but via being chancellor instead and helping Alistair run the country without Bhelen feeling threatened by her presence since she is not returning to Orzammar (other than visits). I like this approach a lot. It really helps to keep the two dwarf nobles feeling very different in personality and playthroughs without her just being Gilsa 2.0 with the fairy tale ending of actually keeping her man. Gilsa is the commander, Vonren is the politician. =p

(Of course, I AM saving Orzammar for my very last treaty in case Harrowmont's death actually does let us be kings/queens so I can go back and crown Harrowmont instead, lol. =D C'mon, February, tell us what you have planned!)

Hey, that sounds a lot like my DN, Dain.
Except he put an unhardened foolish Alistair on the throne, so he doesn't even need to talk him into doing things, Dain will decide by himself, then recieve the royal stamp.

Is there a chance Dain can meet up with Vonren?

[Sarah1281]

So is Vonren the one in your current Avatar?

And what I really think is going to happen is that they're going to have Rica and Bhelen's son end up as the King at some point in the future and since Bhelen and Harrowmont are such opposite rulers than they're either going to have to act like Harrowmont's rule was canon and Endrin took over with nothing changed and if Bhelen was King there was a huge backlash after his death or they're going to have to act like Bhelen's rule was canon and have Endrin take over with everything changed and if Harrowmont was King then Endrin proves just as much the reformer his father would have been.

I really hope they won't outright say you can't be King/Queen. I mean, the HN's get to take the throne (with a spouse, granted, but...) so why shouldn't the actual prince/princess get to?

Modifié par Sarah1281, 28 mai 2010 - 05:27 .

[Gilsa]

LOL, KoP, my game is completely inspired by yours. I was blown away when you described how you kept a weak Alistair on the throne so you could conspire with your brother to run both Orzammar and Ferelden in addition to making Alistair be the one to father the baby so your dwarf wouldn't be directly responsible for the ensuing mess with Morrigan. I have to keep Alistair hardened for the romance to keep going. (I honestly have no surviving relationships with Alistair to date -- he's either drunk or married to Anora -- I am keeping him this time, DAMMIT.) Hey, if the Empress of Orlais could get Cailan wrapped around her finger by fluttering her eyelashes, no crime in doing the same with the active romance. =p



I have credited this playthrough to you in the Alistair thread before, just FYI.

[Sarah1281]

I think one of my big things about keeping Bhelen alive is I really think you guys are right about the...difficulty of staying in Orzammar with a paranoid and ruthless little brother on the throne and, well, Aunn likes living in Orzammar more than she likes him. Plus if he's not going to be civil when he needs her then how is he going to be when he doesn't?

[Gilsa]

Yes, Vonren is my current avatar. I went for an "n" sound to keep it consistent with the family names -- Endrin, Bhelen, Trian. Put way too much thought in that. =p



And I agree with you Sarah. They can't account for EVERY little outcome in the game so my guess is that they're going to want to pick one dwarven king, regardless of who you picked in origins, and that could be explained away with Harrowmont's early death AND Bhelen supposedly being assassinated (since he did away with the assembly -- makes a lot of enemies this way). I think they kind of walked into a mess with the human nobles being able to be king/queen and then they have to account for Anora ruling alone, Alistair ruling alone, them ruling jointly, and THEN the human nobles ruling as royalty. Would they even have the time and resources to even address the dwarven side of things? Nah. I'd rather they put their efforts into uncovering more of the Deep Roads and restoring our lost glory rather than make us mini versions of human nobles.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Gilsa wrote...

LOL, KoP, my game is completely inspired by yours. I was blown away when you described how you kept a weak Alistair on the throne so you could conspire with your brother to run both Orzammar and Ferelden in addition to making Alistair be the one to father the baby so your dwarf wouldn't be directly responsible for the ensuing mess with Morrigan. I have to keep Alistair hardened for the romance to keep going. (I honestly have no surviving relationships with Alistair to date -- he's either drunk or married to Anora -- I am keeping him this time, DAMMIT.) Hey, if the Empress of Orlais could get Cailan wrapped around her finger by fluttering her eyelashes, no crime in doing the same with the active romance. =p

I have credited this playthrough to you in the Alistair thread before, just FYI.

Haha really? It's good to see I gave some ideas to others.
It was this thread that encouraged me to make Dain afterall, so it's only returning the favor

[Sarah1281]

Which is why I think they'll pick up thirty years from now or so and you'll get a few lines about 'oh, Anora and Alistair were such beloved rulers' and now, say, Fergus' kid is on the throne. And you could hear 'Bhelen did a lot' and now Endrin is on the throne. If they could just assume that if you return to Orzammar with Harrowmont on the throne you will end up on the throne then they could call you the Paragon Queen/King and not have to use your name but because you'll be dead by that point they could just have you as 'decent ruler' and not need to make it too complicated.

Like in ME2 they have Wrex as visionary on the Krogan homeworld if he lives but if he doesn't then I'm assuming that they have someone else as a ruler without really needing to change more than a few lines.
 
Edit: After all, if you return to Orzammar as head of House Aeducan and and a Paragon to boot then you'd have to be pretty naive to think you could stay out of politics and thus, even if it were reluctant, would end up being in a position to take over after Harrowmont died.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 28 mai 2010 - 05:46 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I'm assuming that they have someone else as a ruler without really needing to change more than a few lines.

They have his brood brother, who is a traditionalist like Uvenk. You can guess how well that works for clan Urdnot.

  he's either drunk or married to Anora -- I am keeping him this time, DAMMIT

So wait....despite the fact you have most posted more Alistair pics in this thread then anyone else. You actually sparred Loghain on most of your playthroughs, or at least given Alistair to Anora.

Bhelen....... would be proud. I know I am for being in a thread with people who mostly spare Loghain. Dwarves are awesome like that, eh?

KnightofPhoenix: Shame on you for not creating a Dwarven mastermind sooner!

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 28 mai 2010 - 06:04 .

[Sarah1281]

Bhelen....... would be proud. I know I am for being in a thread with people who mostly spare Loghain. Dwarves are awesome like that, eh?

You know what really puts things into perspective? Trian says he's proud of you when you tell the Guardian that he got what he deserved. Dwarven nobility...they just don't think like normal people...

Edit: I bet you anything that once Bhelen calms down and realizes that that coup was a really bad idea he'll be proud of you for killing him, too. Well, assuming you go for the throne and don't just abandon Orzammar to Harrowmont and his traditionalists.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 28 mai 2010 - 06:11 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Dwarven nobility...they just don't think like normal people...

Remember...Agirn was lost because of an idiotic king, not the Darkspawn.