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[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

You can do that? How? When I entered the Proving it automatically said I was Harrowmont's fighter. Is this is you just decide to do the Proving of your own initiative without talking to Dulin or agreeing to help him? And would telling Helmi and Dace about the forgeries require having the Shaper declare them forgeries and telling Dulin what Bhelen wants you to do?

You need to do Bhelen's quest first. Then you can enter in the name of the GW, yourself, Bhelen, Harrowmont and maybe something more.

The other one I haven't tried, so I don't know. But considering the first one, there ought to be something similar to please Harrowmont by anti-doing your quest.

[Sarah1281]

So did you ever get anything from Bhelen besides Trian's maul?



Of course, it would have been much nicer if you played DN and he said 'oh, so here's your armor back.' That was some really nice armor...

[Gilsa]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

When Harrowmont cast me into the Deep Roads and told me to look him in the eye and tell him I didn't kill Trian. I said "I did it and I enjoyed it" Then he called me a villain.

Well that explains that. Did you have an option of denying it?

You can always deny it. And he believes you (what a schmuck).

Well, in Harrowmont's defense (lol, this is fun!), he also has a "You're a terrible liar" response, but because there's no persuade check assigned to the I-believe-you line, the game goes to that one by default since it's the top response in the tree. If there was a persuade check added, it would have jumped down to Harrowmont not believing the PC and handing the accused the shield and sword before closing doors on the PC.

Modifié par Gilsa, 09 avril 2010 - 06:58 .

[Sarah1281]

So if there was a persuade check would it just be for those lying to him or could you conceivably fail it and be accused of being a terrible liar even if you're not actually lying?

[Gilsa]

That conversation is flagged to only activate if your DN plotted with Bhelen.

Harrowmont: "Do you have anything to say before the sentence is carried out?"
PC: "Bhelen will destroy you, just as he did me."
Harrowmont: "I understand your anger. You should have been allowed to defend yourself. Had I the power to stop this, I would have."
Harrowmont: "Look me in the eye and tell me you didn't do this. For your father's sake."

The following lines come up as extra dialogue options if you triggered the Trian confrontation (i.e. the plotting).

1. I had to defend myself. He attacked first!
2. Bhelen convinced me I had to do it.
3. *Lie* I didn't kill Trian.
4. I did it and I enjoyed it.

If you didn't plot, the lines you should see are:

1. I didn't kill Trian.
2. Drop dead, old man.

Does that sound right? I'm just looking in toolkit and going by the coding. It's been a while since I played the origin without killing Trian so I don't remember exactly what Harrowmont said to me.

Modifié par Gilsa, 09 avril 2010 - 08:00 .

[Sarah1281]

I think you only had those two options if you were framed. Does he care if you were defending yourself against Trian?

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I think you only had those two options if you were framed. Does he care if you were defending yourself against Trian?

He gets sympathetic to your cause IIRC.

[Sarah1281]

He gets sympathetic to your cause IIRC.

I guess the DN really was his favorite.

[Gilsa]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I think you only had those two options if you were framed. Does he care if you were defending yourself against Trian?

It just leads to the exact same lines from the "I didn't kill him" tree. I believe you, that means Bhelen was planning this from the start, blah blah blah.

[soignee]

Gilsa since you are better at poking toolset then me, could you post the Brosca!Mother stuff? I'm sure we all need cheering up (!) and reading a drunken sot claim we'll never do anything with our lives.

I know the companions react to her as well, so far I've only heard Morrigan.

[Sarah1281]

I know the companions react to her as well, so far I've only heard Morrigan.

Does anyone but Morrigan react?

[soignee]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I know the companions react to her as well, so far I've only heard Morrigan.

Does anyone but Morrigan react?

I've no idea :-/

[Gilsa]

Oh, sure, sure! I've been meaning to get around to the Brosca side of things. Just started with Aeducan first because of Gorim and all.  <3

LOL, almost tempted to make a Team Gorim sig. Hell, a Team Pearl sig to make fun of all the romantic sigs (myself included!), lol. =p

Edit: Everything cool, Soignee? Don't make me look in the Zev thread for the answer -- moves too fast!

Modifié par Gilsa, 09 avril 2010 - 09:02 .

[Gilsa]

Only Morrigan from what I remember. Don't worry. Gonna have lots of nice VOs from the drunk mom inc! 


What I really want to do is sit down and go through the Orzammar dialogue. I swear, some of the VO notes have had me laughing out loud because of the instructions. The shopkeeper will say, "By the stone, (insert filler)" and the VO notes will say something like, "By the stone should be said like F'king Christ!!"

I can just see it. A guide to swearing like a dwarf on the forums and getting away with it since there's no censorship.

[Sarah1281]

The DC origin would be much more epic if Gorim had some origin-specific lines in it.

[soignee]

Uh, the Zevran thread currently has naked True Blood picspam, everything is indeed cool



Hmm, Skarsgard.



Yeah, I'll be in my bunk.

[Herr Uhl]

Gilsa wrote...

I can just see it. A guide to swearing like a dwarf on the forums and getting away with it since there's no censorship.

Kickass!

soignee wrote...

Uh, the Zevran thread currently has naked True Blood picspam, everything is indeed cool.

No, no it is not.

[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

soignee wrote...

Uh, the Zevran thread currently has naked True Blood picspam, everything is indeed cool.

No, no it is not.

alright, alright, fine. "Every thing is indeed cool" is a bad choice of words. How about "hhhhhhoooootttdamn!" Instead? Perhaps "yeah I'll be in my bunk?"

[Sarah1281]

I can just see it. A guide to swearing like a dwarf on the forums and getting away with it since there's no censorship.

Knowing dwarven expletives would definitely come in handy...

[Gilsa]

soignee wrote...

Gilsa since you are better at poking toolset then me, could you post the Brosca!Mother stuff? I'm sure we all need cheering up (!) and reading a drunken sot claim we'll never do anything with our lives.
I know the companions react to her as well, so far I've only heard Morrigan.

Wow, that whole section was seriously convoluted -- had to break it down into multiple trees to keep it readable. I will do the drunk mom in the royal palace next.

MUMMY DEAREST!

Scripting comments: This conversation fires the first time the player tries to talk to Mother. Mother should be dirty and bleary as possible, and have a bottle in hand that she swigs from as soon as it's possible for us to have animations during dialogue.

Mother: "(Groan.) Whozzat? Why are you bothering me? Rica?" (VO: Really drunk, just waking up)

1. No, Mother, it's (FirstName). Your daughter/son?
Mother: "Don't you talk to me like I'm an idiot! You think I don't know my own kid?" (VO: Angry, defensive)
Mother: "What're you doing here, anyway? Rica said you were finally making something useful of yourself." (VO: annoyed, mean)
1a. If by useful you mean cracking skulls for a smuggler. *Go to tree 6*
1b. Doesn't it bother you that Rica has to **** herself out? *Go to tree 4*
1c. You have to stop this, Mother. You're killing yourself.
Mother: "You tell me, just what do I got that's worth living for?" (VO: Self pitying) *Go to tree 2*
1d. Never mind. Sleep it off. Again. *Go to tree 1, line 3*

2. It's the guardsmen. You're under arrest for drunkenness.
Mother: "Don't you sass me, you ungrateful brat! I made you and I can make another just like you." (VO: angry) *Go to tree 1*

3. It's the king of Orzammar. I heard you were single.
Mother: "Don't you sass me, you ungrateful brat! I made you and I can make another just like you." (VO: angry) *Go to tree 1*

4. "Never mind. Sleep it off. Again." *Go to tree 1, line 3*

TREE #1 - Don't you sass me
1. Please, Mother. I hate it when you get like this.
Mother: "'Please, Mother. I hate it when you get like this.'" (VO: Parroting what was just said to her and twisting it to sound horrible and mean.)
Mother: "What, am I embarrassing you? Don't want anyone to see that dear old mam's a lush, is that it?" (VO: taunting)
1a. You promised you wouldn't do this anymore. *Go to tree 5*
1b. Fine, yell at me because you've thrown your life away!
(IF: Female) Mother: "Don't you look at me like that, girl! I was beautiful once." (VO Ranting, upset)
Mother: "Before you were born, men would drop their tools and come running when they saw me. So take your pity and get out of my sight!" (VO: Regretful, wistful) *End dialogue*
--
(IF: Male) Mother: "Oh, did I scare you now? Big tough man's scared his mam's going to yell?" (VO: Ranting, upset)
Mother: "Don't you sodding tell me my life is over! I was crowned the Paragon of Beauty at my eighteenth name day!" (VO: Ranting, upset, drunk)
Mother: "Before you were born, men would drop their tools and come running when they saw me. So take your pity and get out of my sight!"
(VO: Regretful, wistful) *End dialogue*
1c. You have to stop this, Mother. You're killing yourself.
Mother: "You tell me, just what do I got that's worth living for?" (VO: Self pitying) *Go to tree 2*
1d. Doesn't it bother you that Rica has to **** herself out? *Go to tree 4*
1e. "Never mind. Sleep it off. Again." *Go to tree 1, line 3 *

2. I'm the only reason you're here and not dead in a gutter!
Mother: "Then you should've left me there. What've I got that's worth living for?" (VO: Lashing out, trying to be hurtful)
2a. What about me? What about Rica? *Go to tree 2, line 1*
2b. Oh, there's no talking to you when you get like this. *Go to tree 2, line 2*
2c. Please, Mother. I hate it when you get like this. *Go to tree 1, line 1*
2d. Never mind. Sleep it off. Again. *Go to tree 1, line 3 *

3. "Never mind. Sleep it off. Again."
Mother: "People bothering me all the time. I got important things to do here. Very important things..." (VO: Muttering to herself) *End dialogue*

TREE #2 - What to live for?
1. What about me? What about Rica?
Mother: "I know you both hate me. I-I know what I done to you, but..." (VO: Self-pitying, maudlin)
Mother: "It was for your own good. The world's a cruel place. You... you had to learn that." (VO: Crumbling into self-pity)
Mother: "You think you'd be where you are now if I'd let you hide from a few slaps? Everything you are, I made you!" (VO: Self-pitying, justifying her abuse)
1a. Do you think that's something to be proud of?
Mother: "I tried my best! They treat us like dust, tell us we're cursed. How else are we supposed to live? We got nothing!" (VO: Upset, self-pitying)
Mother: "There's no way out. For any of us." *Go to tree 3*
1b. I stopped listening to you when I was six.
Mother: "You think it's that easy? You think you can just walk out of here?" (VO: Ranting, drunk)
Mother: "You'll always end up back in Dust Town." (VO: Mean, a dig) *Go to tree 3*
1c. I'm leaving now. You can drown in that thing for all I care. *Go to tree 3, line 2*
1d. I've got work to do. Try to dry out by the time I get home. *Go to tree 3, line 3*
2. Oh, there's no talking to you when you get like this.
Mother: "Well, who asked you? I don't need your pity. I got everything I need. Right here." (VO: Angry, rejecting player)
2a. Fine, yell at me because you've thrown your life away! *Go to tree 1, line 1b*
2b. You promised you wouldn't do this anymore. *Go to tree 1, line 1a*
2c. I'm leaving now. You can drown in that thing for all I care. *Go to tree 3, line 2*
2d. I've got work to do. Try to dry out by the time I get home. *Go to tree 3, line 3*

3. "Never mind. Sleep it off. Again."[/b] *Go to tree 1, line 3*

TREE #3 - No way out/stuck in Dust Town
1. You're wrong. I'm going to make something of my life.
Mother: "You can try, but you'll never get it off you. Dust town, it sticks to the skin." (VO: bitter)
Mother: "You don't bleed red enough for them, and nothing's gonna change that. All you can do is find some way to forget." (VO: bitter) (ACTION: Mother walks away and gets another bottle) *End dialogue*

2. I'm leaving now. You can drown in that thing for all I care.
Mother: "Don't you talk to me that way! You're still living in my walls! My walls, do you hear me?!" (VO: Angry, drunk)
Mother: "Don't you walk away from me..." (VO: angry, drunk) *End dialogue*

3. I've got work to do. Try to dry out by the time I get home.
Mother: "Oh, I shouldn't keep doing this to you. I know I shouldn't. It's just so hard..." (VO: Sad, self-pitying)
Mother: "Hey, where's s/he going? Why's s/he leaving? Don't leave me!" (VO: upset, getting shrill)
Rica: "Never mind, Mother. Why don't you just lie down? That's good." (VO: Quietly, calmly. Talking to a crazy person) *End dialogue*

TREE #4 - Doesn't it bother you Rica has to **** herself out?
Mother: "She's got the body. Might as well use it before a couple of kids twist it out of shape." (VO: bitter, deliberately vulgar)
1. I can't believe you!
(IF: Female) Mother: "You're lucky Rica stuck up for you, 'cause I'd have put you out there with her." (VO: mean, spiteful)
Mother: "You were born with one coin to barter, and it's between your legs." (VO: Vulgar, mean)
1a. You're wrong. I'm going to make something of my life. *Go to tree 3, line 1*
1b. You have to stop this, Mother. You're killing yourself.
Mother: "You tell me, just what do I got that's worth living for?" (VO: Self pitying) *Go to tree 2*
1c. I'm leaving now. You can drown in that thing for all I care. *Go to tree 3, line 2*
1d. I've got work to do. Try to dry out by the time I get home. *Go to tree 3, line 3*
--
(IF: Male) Mother: "You're just jealous. No woman'll be fool enough to fall for you. All you can give her are casteless brats that no one wants."" (VO: Scornful, mean)
1a. I'm getting Rica out of here just to spite you! *Go to tree 4, line*
1b. You have to stop this, Mother. You're killing yourself.

Mother: "You tell me, just what do I got that's worth living for?" (VO: Self pitying) *Go to tree 2*
1c. I'm leaving now. You can drown in that thing for all I care. *Go to tree 3, line 2*
1d. I've got work to do. Try to dry out by the time I get home. *Go to tree 3, line 3*

2. I'm getting Rica out of here just to spite you!
Mother: "Take her! You think I need you here? You think I need anyone?" (VO: Ranting, upset) *End dialogue*

3. Never mind. Sleep it off. Again. *Go to tree 1, line 3*

TREE #5 - You promised you wouldn't do this anymore
Mother: "Do what?"
1. Buy wine! We need money for lava-stones to heat the house.
Mother: "I tried my best! They treat us like dust, tell us we're cursed. How else are we supposed to live?
We got nothing!" (VO: Upset, self-pitying)
Mother: "There's no way out. For any of us." (VO: self-pitying) *Go to tree 3*

2. Get upset! You said you'd try to remember better times.
Mother: "I tried my best! They treat us like dust, tell us we're cursed. How else are we supposed to live? We got nothing!" (VO: Upset, self-pitying)
Mother: "There's no way out. For any of us." (VO: self-pitying) *Go to tree 3*

3. "Never mind. Sleep it off. Again." *Go to tree 1, line 3*

TREE #6 - Cracking skulls for a smuggler
Mother: "What, you thought you'd get a seat on the Assembly? Do what you're good for." (VO: Disparaging,
critical, unhappy)
Mother: "Got your head in the smoke. Your father was like that, too." (VO: Head in smoke = head in clouds)

1. At least he managed to get out of here!
Mother: "Aye. Left me with two screaming mouths to feed, not a coin on the table." (VO: Self-pitying, angry)
Mother: "Had to join the clean crew for the smoke vents. Spent ten years in those chimneys, soot a finger thick all over my body. All for you." (VO: Bitter, wants to blame someone)
Mother: "So are you gonna show some sodding gratitude, or do I have to beat it outta you?"
1a. Please, Mother. I hate it when you get like this. *Go to tree 1, line 1*
1b. Lay one hand on me or Rica again, and I will kill you.
Mother: "It was for your own good. The world's a cruel place. You... you had to learn that." (VO: Crumbling
into self-pity)
Mother: "You think you'd be where you are now if I'd let you hide from a few slaps? Everything you are, I
made you!" (VO: Self-pitying, justifying her abuse)
1b-1. Do you think that's something to be proud of? *Go to tree 2, line 1a*
1b-2. I stopped listening to you when I was six.
Mother: "You think it's that easy? You think you can just walk out of here?" (VO: Ranting, drunk)
Mother: "You'll always end up back in Dust Town." (VO: Mean, a dig) *Go to tree 3*
1b-3. I'm leaving now. You can drown in that thing for all I care. *Go to tree 3, line 2*
1b-4.  I've got work to do. Try to dry out by the time I get home. *Go to tree 3, line 3*

1c. I'm leaving now. You can drown in that thing for all I care. *Go to tree 3, line 2*
1d. I've got work to do.Try to dry out by the time I get home. *Go to tree 3, line 3*


2. You're wrong. I'm going to make something of my life. *Go to tree 3, line 1*

3. Doesn't it bother you that Rica has to **** herself out? *Go to tree 4*

4. "Never mind. Sleep it off. Again." *Go to tree 1, line 3 *

Modifié par Gilsa, 09 avril 2010 - 11:46 .

[Herr Uhl]

Gilsa wrote...

(IF: Female) Mother: "Don't you look at me like that, girl! I was beautiful once." (VO Ranting, upset)
Mother: "Before you were born, men would drop their tools and come running when they saw me. So take your pity and get out of my sight!" (VO: Regretful, wistful) *End dialogue*

This is why I think her to be a former noble hunter.

Edit:

Gilsa wrote...

1. At least he managed to get out of here!
Mother: "Aye. Left me with two screaming mouths to feed, not a coin on the table." (VO: Self-pitying, angry)

Damn, DC and Rica have the same dad.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 09 avril 2010 - 11:49 .

[Sarah1281]

This is why I think her to be a former noble hunter.

Rica might be a noble hunter's child but apparently the DC father went to the surface and since they could be either gender the father has to be casteless. And it might be why she's so bitter that Rica had the heir to the throne on her first try.

[Sarah1281]

Damn, DC and Rica have the same dad.

Not necessarily. If she had Rica by a noble, she'd still be casteless and if the father of the DC left, she would be alone with the two kids without him needing to be the father of both. And doesn't Rica refer to 'your father'?

Modifié par Sarah1281, 09 avril 2010 - 11:53 .

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Damn, DC and Rica have the same dad.

Not necessarily. If she had Rica by a noble, she'd still be casteless and if the father of the DC left, she would be alone with the two kids without him needing to be the father of both. And doesn't Rica refer to 'your father'?

Ah, I read your as plural. Damn English an it's non-specific pronouns.

Other uninteresting trivia, they seem to celebrate name-day instead of birthday. Well it happens in the real world too, but still. The Catholics got their way!

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 09 avril 2010 - 11:59 .

[Sarah1281]

Ah, I read your as plural. Damn English an it's non-specific pronouns.

It would depend who says it. If the mom is saying it then it might refer to both (though she's just talking to the DC) but if Rica says it it implies that they have a different father.

Other uninteresting trivia, they seem to celebrate name-day instead of birthday.

Would those two be on different dates? I suppose Mardy doesn't name the DN son until he has a House but other Houses might already have names picked out. I'm willing to bet Bhelen had Endrin Jr. named the minute he knew it was a boy, for instance.