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[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

This is why I'm so pumped for ME3. I want to see how the Kaidan/Ashley storyline ends!! (Oh, yeah, and save the galaxy, too.) I am so envious of her screenshot manip talent.


Source: http://jhourney.devi...Alone-166098520

I wonder if people will actually notice it this time.

And I really hope that preserving that base won't come back to haunt me but it's got to have big repercussions or else why bother making that the big ending? Like the saving the Council choice may not have had much of an effect in-game but we see the changes in the news.

[Gilsa]

I get the sense that they want all playthroughs to be equally valid -- both for renegade and paragon and in-between players. I think there will be a different flavor to the game, but we'll still end up the hero at the end as credits roll by regardless of the path we took to get there. I would not worry about saving the base. You'll probably have access to different resources than those who destroyed it.

[soignee]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

I really wish I could enjoy Mass Effect. If it played like Dragon Age I'm sure I would.

I played it but eh the story didn't grab me as much as DA has

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

I get the sense that they want all playthroughs to be equally valid -- both for renegade and paragon and in-between players. I think there will be a different flavor to the game, but we'll still end up the hero at the end as credits roll by regardless of the path we took to get there. I would not worry about saving the base. You'll probably have access to different resources than those who destroyed it.

My Shepard in my most recent playthrough was practically a saint...except for givng the base to TIM so it would really suck if everyone decided she was evil for it.

And what caste was Shale again? Warrior? Do warrior Houses have their own Thaigs? 

[Gilsa]

My canon Shepard is equally renegade/paragon. Not on purpose though. I just react to things rather than roleplay. I take care of my crew and civilians, but everyone else has to make it worth my while. My second character was pure paragon mainly because I wanted to see how that game flowed -- it was the most boring game ever, ever, ever. Only Thane made it bearable. I stopped in the middle of my pure renegade because Awakening was coming out and I got distracted with that.



And I don't recall the details about Shale.

[soignee]

Shale was House Cadash

[Sarah1281]

soignee wrote...

Shale was House Cadash

So that would make her a noble?

And I don't get bored with Paragon games. I generally choose those options (but not always) because that's just how I happen to react to the game.

[Gilsa]

I have a little smartmouth in me that needs to come out in the game. Nothing wrong with the paragon route. I just like telling people to kiss my ass. =p

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

I have a little smartmouth in me that needs to come out in the game. Nothing wrong with the paragon route. I just like telling people to kiss my ass. =p

And I don't see the appeal of needlessly antagonizing people. Game mechanics dictate that you'll get things done either way but realistically it's not a good idea to make everyone hate you.

[Astranagant]

lol troll thread title.But hey, I'll bite. If dorfs are the master race why are they nearly extinct?

[Sarah1281]

Astranagant wrote...

lol troll thread title.But hey, I'll bite. If dorfs are the master race why are they nearly extinct?

Becaus the darkspawn have been hounding the since the first freaking Blight. Honestly, how do you think the other non-Master races would fare? Well, the qunari might do okay but the elves and humans? Please, they'd be extinct.

[Costin_Razvan]

Well, the qunari might do okay

Despite the fact that I call the Dwarves the Master Race, I consider them the second most awesome race, the first being the Qunari.

What politicking and debating, what defense? The Qunari would have launched an all out assault, killed Dumat a hundred times over, and slaughtered every single broodmother.

 And I don't see the appeal of needlessly antagonizing people. Game mechanics dictate that you'll get things done either way but realistically it's not a good idea to make everyone hate you.

Despite what you might think, minor renegade choices aren't you being an ass to everyone ( well some of them are ), but most involve not taking any kind of bull**** others are trying to sell you. For example the Custom's Lady in the Citadel, will not tell you that she isn't removing them off the watch list, should you choose the paragon choice, but only putting the case up for review. Using the renegade choice she will tell you this.

Major renegade choices ( such as "betraying" Tali, killing Vido - which is the most sensible choice in that scenario -, headbutting Uvenk, destroying Kasumi's data etc. ) mostly are FAR more sensible then the paragon ones, stuff like giving Legion to Cerberus is somewhat foolish in my opinion, without talking to him first that is.

So yeah....I laugh my ass at the fools who play full Paragon as their cannon characters, while giving glances to the Renegade ones for their sheer stupidity.

P.S. There is nothing like telling that guy in Thane's quest that your a Spectre and putting your gun against his temple...much more effective then doing the interrogation.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 02 juin 2010 - 06:44 .

[Gilsa]

Aye, there's the scenario where you go to pick up Jack and you see guards beating up a prisoner. The first round of dialogue is to tell the guards to stop or to keep up the good work. The latter is obviously a dick response. You can still be a renegade by telling the guards to stop and when they dismiss your request, the next round has you choosing to reason (blue paragon dialogue) or choosing to threaten (red renegade dialogue).

Paragon
Shepard: "There's no excuse for beating a prisoner who can't fight back."
Guard: "This is a massage compared to what his victims went through."
 [This is beneath you.] Shepard: "This degrades you as much as him."
Guards: "We have orders."
Shepard: "You're not important enough to make your own decisions?"
Guard: "I admit ... I sometimes get tired of this. Does this really get us anything useful?"
Shepard: "Stop this. For your own sake."
Guard: "Yeah. You're right."
Guard: "Call it off. At least for now."

Renegade
Shepard: "There's no excuse for beating a prisoner who can't fight back."
Guard: "This is a massage compared to what his victims went through."
[I told you to stop.] Shepard: "I wasn't asking."
Guard: "You're in a high-security facility with guns and cameras everywhere -- and you're threatening me?"
Shepard: "Those guns and cameras won't be fast enough to save you."
Guard: "Is that right?"
Shepard: "I told you to stop."
(They stare each other down.)
Guard: "Call it off. At least for now."


I also find it a bit hypocritical to walk into every store in Citadel and say this is your favorite shop. It's more preferable to haggle with them over their prices when you buy so many supplies. Although the renegade reaction at the gift shop, claiming they discriminate against poor people was shocking, ugh. That really surprised me.

[Costin_Razvan]

The only store in the citadel where I choose the Paragon option, is that gun shop ( I'd name my firstborn after you if you ask )

But yeah...the renegade action at the gift store is awkward

keep up the good work. The latter is obviously a dick response.

Considering what kind of people are in that prison, he thoroughly deserves that kind of beating. I believe in second chances....but people who just murder for the hell of it, with no remorse and no greater goal in mind, those should be put down.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 02 juin 2010 - 06:59 .

[Sarah1281]

I never try to get a discount. I mean, what's the point? Cerberus pays for everything anyway. And I don't mindlessly choose Paragon options, it's just that usually they get the same thing done but you don't have to be as much of an **** about it. If it's the same account why be unnecessarily violent? Although the option to just shoot some of the monologuing villains did come in handy. Like with that Krogan at facility Mordin's student was at? He just would NOT shut up.

[Sarah1281]

Considering what kind of people are in that prison, he thoroughly deserves that kind of beating.

They're already imprsioned in space forever and tortured for the lulz. Is stopping it one time you walk by really coddling him?

[Costin_Razvan]

Sarah....

We are not talking of common criminals, most of whom feel guilt at varying degrees for their actions. We are talking of people who go around slaughtering innocents for the hell of it, much like Morinth does, and they take great pleasure in causing that suffering, and have no greater goal. ( like Hitler or Stalin who did have a greater objective )

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 02 juin 2010 - 07:02 .

[Gilsa]

Funny thing -- I actually let him monologue now because it was easier for me to take them down if they stood where they were. The interrupt has them changing locations, which just made it more of a pain for me to take them down position-wise. =p

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Sarah....

We are not talking of common criminals, most of whom feel guilt at varying degrees for their actions. We are talking of people who go around slaughtering innocents for the hell of it, much like Morinth does, and they take great pleasure in causing that suffering, and have no greater goal. ( like Hitler or Stalin who did have a greater objective )

I know. And does brutalizing them change any of that? 

[Costin_Razvan]

I know. And does brutalizing them change any of that?

No it doesn't, but one thing to remember is that guy killed someone one day before, and was getting beaten for that.

You can't allow something like that go in a prison unpunished. If you do that, then you can expect more incidents.

 Funny thing -- I actually let him monologue now because it was easier for me to take them down if they stood where they were

That guy is an elite with barriers, armor and health on Insanity. Tough as hell to take down.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 02 juin 2010 - 07:12 .

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I know. And does brutalizing them change any of that?

No it doesn't, but one thing to remember is that guy killed someone one day before, and was getting beaten for that.

You can't allow something like that go in a prison unpunished. If you do that, then you can expect more incidents.

If you ask the guards they tell you that the only reason the guy in charge was so pissed was because he was going to make a lot of money off of the dead guy. If they had told you something about how they had to enforce discipline then that would have been a much more reasonable thing to say than 'the boss doesn't like him because he cost him money' and so if they don't want to listen to Shepard and feel the need to explain why why not say that? 

[Costin_Razvan]

It's still disciplinary action, whatever the reasons.



My stance on purgatory is similar to Garus's. ( "I don't agree with everything they do, but these guards protected innocents from maniacs )

[Sarah1281]

So I've just discovered another reason why I love the DN origin so much. The lack of an option to be conscripted is really fantastic. While, of course, it is always in your best interest to go:



As a HN you can be dragged away from your dying parents.

As a CE you can be dragged away from yout betrothed, father, raped cousin, and also-to-blame-for-massacre cousin.

As a DE you can be dragged away from your clan and told you'll never see them again.

As a mage you can be dragged away from...the Circle, I guess. Not sure why you'd want to stay since your only friend just ditched you but I guess if you're devout and horrified you helpe a blood mage like Lily you could not wish to be saved.

As a DC you can be dragged away from your best friend and beloved sister whose fates are terribly uncertain at that point.

As a DN you have to track Duncan down and he has to actually convince you.



That is SO much more palatable than having no choice about being Ferelden's savior.



And soignee: I was re-reading chapter nineteen and I just had to comment on Lord Dace's 'Yeah, thanks for rescuing me but I'm not sure why you're here. My daughter knows she's more than capable of making these deshyr decisions as House Dace's deshyr.' Lady Daceis SUCH a huge ****! I don't think I hate any female in the game more than I hate her although there are a few men that rate higher.

[soignee]

And soignee: I was re-reading chapter nineteen and I just had to comment
on Lord Dace's 'Yeah, thanks for rescuing me but I'm not sure why
you're here. My daughter knows she's more than capable of making these
deshyr decisions as House Dace's deshyr.' Lady Daceis SUCH a huge ****! I
don't think I hate any female in the game more than I hate her although
there are a few men that rate higher.

I read it as, you're being playyyyyyyed. It really was a case of, "well prove it. How do you want to work for my vote, Warden? Go find my father." Even if Missa was nice to her, Lady Dace would've reacted the same. Probably heaped some more patronising comments on, even.

[Costin_Razvan]

I would organize an assassination, quick and deadly, perhaps even lay the blame on Harrowmont.

What? Don't look at me like that! You have Zevran for a reason.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 02 juin 2010 - 11:17 .