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[soignee]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I would organize an assassination, quick and deadly, perhaps even lay the blame on Harrowmont.

What? Don't look at me like that! You have Zevran for a reason.

I'm tempted, I really really am...

[Costin_Razvan]

 You could even shock Bhelen a bit. :happy:

[soignee]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

 You could even shock Bhelen a bit. :happy:

truuuuuuuust me, Bhelen's already a little shocked by Missa, foul mouthed little thing that she is. CHAPTER 20 WILL BE PUBLISHED TODAY, VERILY

[Costin_Razvan]

Trust me.....after having dealt with Trian for all his life....Missa doesn't even surprise him. ( That's how I take it )

[soignee]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Trust me.....after having dealt with Trian for all his life....Missa doesn't even surprise him. ( That's how I take it )

NAw, Missa gets at least one thing over him. can't let her get too owned. But yeah. Bhelen is boss in most of his scenes. Cause, you know. BHELEN.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Anyone call for Dwarf assassins?

[Costin_Razvan]

"So, a duster seeks to berate me? Why I should have you..."



Lady Dace didn't finish that sentence, as Missa suddenly grabbed her and using all her strength she threw the older woman over the ledge, her screams resounding in all of Orzammar as she fell into the lava, being consumed by it.



"We should go, now!" said Alistair in sudden panic, Missa nodding in agreement. As they moved to leave, she left a single ring, belonging to House Harrowmont's Vassal Warrior House. They barely avoided the patrol coming their way.



The next morning, Harrowmont's support plummeted, as news of assassination against Lady Dace was shared among the nobles.

[soignee]

LOL! oh man, 10/10 would lol again. Missa punting Lady Dace over the edge certainly does have an appeal...

[Gilsa]

New Brosca art -- doesn't come up in Brosca search so linking it here because I know soignee would appreciate it!


A Dwarven Rogue by TheTrueObelus

[Fizzeler]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

My Shepards are just badass....

Being revived from the dead: 4 Billion Credits.
Building the Normandy: Hundreds of Millions of Credits.
Buying a gun: 1.000 Credits

Shooting Conrad Verner: Priceless.

win and awesome, I usually just make my Fem. Shep look awesome which somehow ends up looking like Dr. Chakwas with red hair <_<

[Sarah1281]

soignee wrote...

And soignee: I was re-reading chapter nineteen and I just had to comment
on Lord Dace's 'Yeah, thanks for rescuing me but I'm not sure why
you're here. My daughter knows she's more than capable of making these
deshyr decisions as House Dace's deshyr.' Lady Daceis SUCH a huge ****! I
don't think I hate any female in the game more than I hate her although
there are a few men that rate higher.

I read it as, you're being playyyyyyyed. It really was a case of, "well prove it. How do you want to work for my vote, Warden? Go find my father." Even if Missa was nice to her, Lady Dace would've reacted the same. Probably heaped some more patronising comments on, even.

What's the point, though? She was voting for Harrowmont because she was being bribed. Even had she wanted him on the throne anyway because he wasn't an Aeducan and she thought putting him on the throne would make it easier for her House to take it after he died (which it seems was the case) then him trying to 'cheat' her would mean that she'd side with Bhelen out of spite. Going down to find her father wouldn't do anything to prove honesty as they'd need her vote anyway. If you don't bother finding Lord Dace would she vote with someone she believed to have cheated her? And she has to believe it because if she didn't she's too 'practical' to lose out on the land Harrowmont promised for the lulz.

Basically, it comes down to game mechanics of they want to throw in a fight and/or Lady Dace is just an unbelievably petty ****.

[soignee]

Gilsa wrote...

New Brosca art -- doesn't come up in Brosca search so linking it here because I know soignee would appreciate it!


A Dwarven Rogue by TheTrueObelus

Very nice!

[soignee]

Sarah1281 wrote...

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What's the point, though? She was voting for Harrowmont because she was being bribed. Even had she wanted him on the throne anyway because he wasn't an Aeducan and she thought putting him on the throne would make it easier for her House to take it after he died (which it seems was the case) then him trying to 'cheat' her would mean that she'd side with Bhelen out of spite. Going down to find her father wouldn't do anything to prove honesty as they'd need her vote anyway. If you don't bother finding Lord Dace would she vote with someone she believed to have cheated her? And she has to believe it because if she didn't she's too 'practical' to lose out on the land Harrowmont promised for the lulz.

Basically, it comes down to game mechanics of they want to throw in a fight and/or Lady Dace is just an unbelievably petty ****.

I'm putting it down to the fact she's a **** and it was out of spite. Literally, my Lord Dacer shoved the notes back and was all, "whatever my daughter says."

Also House Dace really are quite progressive (in terms of dealing witht he surface/merchants) but are greedy mofos. They want what's best for House Dace alone, even if it means siding with a king that will ruin their own in the long run.

[Sarah1281]

soignee wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

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What's the point, though? She was voting for Harrowmont because she was being bribed. Even had she wanted him on the throne anyway because he wasn't an Aeducan and she thought putting him on the throne would make it easier for her House to take it after he died (which it seems was the case) then him trying to 'cheat' her would mean that she'd side with Bhelen out of spite. Going down to find her father wouldn't do anything to prove honesty as they'd need her vote anyway. If you don't bother finding Lord Dace would she vote with someone she believed to have cheated her? And she has to believe it because if she didn't she's too 'practical' to lose out on the land Harrowmont promised for the lulz.

Basically, it comes down to game mechanics of they want to throw in a fight and/or Lady Dace is just an unbelievably petty ****.

I'm putting it down to the fact she's a **** and it was out of spite. Literally, my Lord Dacer shoved the notes back and was all, "whatever my daughter says."

Also House Dace really are quite progressive (in terms of dealing witht he surface/merchants) but are greedy mofos. They want what's best for House Dace alone, even if it means siding with a king that will ruin their own in the long run.

Maybe I just don't get how their behavior in the game (where they try to screw you over at your own feast and don't even approach you where people who would also be screwed over and know what they're up to can't see/hear them and sending you off on a wild goose chase) helps they're House at all? It's like they do it for the lulz and don't worry about keeping appearances up. Why they're such a powerful House is beyond me...it's got to be the trade thing. They don't even try to pretend to play nice like everyone else does.

[Sarah1281]

Man, the more I think about it the more I HATE the idea that little Endrin would have to spend a year with the Gavorns of all people. If Vartag is a pretty high-ranking member of their House and the only representative we see...that poor child...and it would probably really screw him over as well. I'm not sure I really understand the terms of that deal Rica talked about either. Vartag spent a year with House Aeducan as a child and thus little Endrin has to spend a year with the Gavorns?

 And Vartag is clearly much older than Bhelen so Endrin would have had to make the deal and why wouldn't he have said one of his children had to go? Why pick hypothetical grandchildren? I don't actually see Endrin making that deal at all since he didn't really seem to care about the Gavorns and Bhelen was the one who took an interest in them. The timing just doesn't work. It makes no sense. And does Bhelen actually intend to honor that agreement and send the only child he may ever have and thus heir off to the Gavorns for a full year? There's got to be a way to get out of that agreement. Maybe paying them off? Because I know that if it were up to me - and in DN games with Harrowmont on the throne it is - then it just wouldn't happen.

[Costin_Razvan]

soignee wrote...

LOL! oh man, 10/10 would lol again. Missa punting Lady Dace over the edge certainly does have an appeal...

This is Sparta! Dwarven style!

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

soignee wrote...

LOL! oh man, 10/10 would lol again. Missa punting Lady Dace over the edge certainly does have an appeal...

This is Sparta! Dwarven style!

It would take some planning to get rid of/neutralize the witnesses but it's doable.

[Verly]

I don't see why a dwarf HAS to be chantry hating. (I can see a Dalish elf hating them or a mage) I CAN see a dwarf not believing in the chantry at all and totally not accepting their beliefs of course, but my warden's are from Orzammar, they don't even know what a chantry *is* let alone what they believe.

I once had a female DC fall for Leli the way I played it was yes, she told my character about her belief in the Maker, but my warden also told her about her own beliefs in the stone, and since Leli's own beliefs are not exactly the same as the chantry's either it was easier for her to deal with. She never converted and my girl hardened Leli to not see her own beliefs as the above all and end all. that game played out fine for me and I didn't see it in any way of my dwarf forgetting where she came from or what she was. The only priest she didn't like was the one in Denirum that called her a heathen. those were fighting words.

It goes without saying (but i'm saying it anyway!), that  Veylya (my warden look-a-like) will be romancing Zev to the fullest possible extent the game allows and since I don't have awakening she don't have to worry about him leaving her to go off and confront the Crows in Antiva)

Modifié par Verly, 03 juin 2010 - 02:47 .

[Gilsa]

I actually have a harder time seeing why a casteless would embrace the Stone after being spat on and considered a disgrace. Oh, now that they're a paragon, they're good enough after all? Hoooow convenient. =p The Chantry actually does seem to do more for dwarves since they'll even take in a casteless child because his mother couldn't provide for it. I think the commoner has the most freedom to decide what faith to be -- the Stone, Chantry, or agnostic.



How is your DC coming along, Verly?

[Sarah1281]

The Chantry is VERY intolerant towards those who do not share their beliefs. Leliana might not be but her beliefs are heretical as well. And they're incredibly corrupt in their practices and it is so very obvious so the DC could just see more of the same and the DN could dislike how blatant the corruption is. And, of course, it's freaking everywhere. You can't escape it. And even though they all think the Maker has left everyone thanks Him for your accomplishments, which is kind of annoying



While I don't see the Chantry beliefs and the dwarven beliefs necessarily contradicting each other, if you don't believe in a religion (and they won't as it's not even established in Orzammar until you return and do it yourself) and it is everywhere, then why wouldn't it annoy you?

[Daryn Mercio]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Well, the qunari might do okay

Despite the fact that I call the Dwarves the Master Race, I consider them the second most awesome race, the first being the Qunari.

What politicking and debating, what defense? The Qunari would have launched an all out assault, killed Dumat a hundred times over, and slaughtered every single broodmother.

 And I don't see the appeal of needlessly antagonizing people. Game mechanics dictate that you'll get things done either way but realistically it's not a good idea to make everyone hate you.

Despite what you might think, minor renegade choices aren't you being an ass to everyone ( well some of them are ), but most involve not taking any kind of bull**** others are trying to sell you. For example the Custom's Lady in the Citadel, will not tell you that she isn't removing them off the watch list, should you choose the paragon choice, but only putting the case up for review. Using the renegade choice she will tell you this.

Major renegade choices ( such as "betraying" Tali, killing Vido - which is the most sensible choice in that scenario -, headbutting Uvenk, destroying Kasumi's data etc. ) mostly are FAR more sensible then the paragon ones, stuff like giving Legion to Cerberus is somewhat foolish in my opinion, without talking to him first that is.

So yeah....I laugh my ass at the fools who play full Paragon as their cannon characters, while giving glances to the Renegade ones for their sheer stupidity.

P.S. There is nothing like telling that guy in Thane's quest that your a Spectre and putting your gun against his temple...much more effective then doing the interrogation.

Well Humans are most likely the master race. Their influence is in every country in Thedas. Their church has swept over the continent.  They have probably at least four times the soldier count as the elves and dwarves put together in Ferelden alone.
They are better than elves because they practically destroyed their culture and even brainwashed most of them to live in cities with humans to fight against their Dalish brothers (not that that is particularly good, but it demonstrates their power).
They are better than the Qunari because they just are. I don't know why, but it has to do with numbers obviously and possibly the way of life of humans. They will draft theives and murderers into the military and boost their numbers, but the Qunari wouldn't, and they even outcast their own people for not believing in the same thing. If the Qunari were the best, then they would be able to get their arses past the coastline of Thedas and off of Par Vollen and Seheron.
Humans are better than the dwarfs because they get a move on and don't depend on family to ok a marriage, which results in very slow breeding. Not to mention their Proving wastes the lives of many able bodied dwarves that could fight the Spawn. The dwarves are greedy, self centered, and too proud to abandon outdated ways instead of fight for survival. The Architect would find it very odd that the dwarves aren't doing everything in their power to survive ( He comments in a codex that he found it strange that one of the elves he captured committed suicide).

[Verly]

I don't know, in rl I believe in one religion, but I'm not annoyed by all the other religions in the world and don't pay attention to them enough to worry about it.

so I don't see why any of my characters would either. None of my dwarfs have asked for a blessing by a priestess in the game and except for the one I mentioned previously that called my dwarf a heathen that has no religion all the chantry in the game does is give me odd jobs that they pay me good coin to do. the ashes are just some remains of a dead woman that they have to get to revive a dying man that my characters need to further their own agenda. I don't see the chantry really being a bother to my dwarfs lives. and most of my dwarf's lives they have heard "by the stone" or "ancestor this and that" so the fact that surfacers say "by the Maker" is not much of a stretch.


Oh, and my girl Veylya is just about ready to light the torch at Ostagar so she's got a long way to go.  

I'll probably put all my other charcters on hold as I play this one out. I started her with my internet out, but once her profile is uploaded I'm probably going to change my picture to hers instead of human noble Honor (who's playthrough I've been doing recently) 

Modifié par Verly, 03 juin 2010 - 03:17 .

[Sarah1281]

I hate troll posts.

[Gilsa]

The necro?

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

The necro?

The necro? What do you mean? 

Modifié par Sarah1281, 03 juin 2010 - 03:26 .