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[soignee]

Sarah1281 wrote...

So apparently Grey Wardens have their own quarters set aside in the Diamond Quarter. I suppose that will be useful to know when I finally get their but does the DC origin have so much more about being a Warden then the DN one does? I mean, you have a longer conversation with Duncan as a DN. No one seems to remember Rica mentioning this as they always have the Wardens forced to find lodging in an inn somewhere. Of course, I also found out that Bhelen calls her his Amber Rose and I really did not need to know that...

well I fail at toolset. Oh well, can't be bothered to rewrite.

*goes back to drawing missa as a chola*

[Gilsa]

Aye, it somewhat irks me when the assumption is made that dwarves lose their caste (one person wrote an article about dwarves and overlooked this fact) when they join the Grey Wardens when it actually is an honor and even elevates the commoner. I can't remember what Rica said, but I think it was warrior caste once you're in the GW. Both Leske and Rica reinforce this. And in the DN origin, I didn't think it needed to be spelled out. The Wardens were honored guests and had their places at the ceremony and were there to recruit from the Provings. Duncan obviously had a good relationship with the king and all that.

[Costin_Razvan]

You are made warrior caste after you defeat the Blight, as recognition for your efforts ( and for Orzammar to not be embarrassed at one of it's heroes being a duster in rank )



The Dwarven Wardens retain their caste, it is the law.

[RavenousBear]

I am testing to see if I can upload pictures on this website. I received the pc version and testing out mods and such.


Did not work, ignore this.

Modifié par Caak7i, 06 juin 2010 - 07:00 .

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

Aye, it somewhat irks me when the assumption is made that dwarves lose their caste (one person wrote an article about dwarves and overlooked this fact) when they join the Grey Wardens when it actually is an honor and even elevates the commoner. I can't remember what Rica said, but I think it was warrior caste once you're in the GW. Both Leske and Rica reinforce this. And in the DN origin, I didn't think it needed to be spelled out. The Wardens were honored guests and had their places at the ceremony and were there to recruit from the Provings. Duncan obviously had a good relationship with the king and all that.

Rica says: You have to go. You'll never have a better opportunity. As a Warden, you'll be the equal of anyone in the noble houses.

I'm not sure if the higher castes would stil be considered a warrior or noble on top of being a GW in normal circumstances but nobody's going to really admit that you're casteless now that you'e a GW and none more obvious than the Shaper who calls it your 'belief' you've ever been to Orzammar. Sure some people do make reference to that but people also make reference to the DN being an exile even though that isn't legal either and they're supposed to act like they don't know them.

@ soignee: There's always the possibility of Rica finding out where she was staying right before Missa leaves and asking her why she didn't just stay in the GW quarters complete with Missa facepalm.

[thegreateski]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

You are made warrior caste after you defeat the Blight, as recognition for your efforts ( and for Orzammar to not be embarrassed at one of it's heroes being a duster in rank )

The Dwarven Wardens retain their caste, it is the law.

It would be loltastic if the Warden were to show up at the assembly and tell them to take their caste and shove it.

*Daydreams*

[Sarah1281]

thegreateski wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

You are made warrior caste after you defeat the Blight, as recognition for your efforts ( and for Orzammar to not be embarrassed at one of it's heroes being a duster in rank )

The Dwarven Wardens retain their caste, it is the law.

It would be loltastic if the Warden were to show up at the assembly and tell them to take their caste and shove it.

*Daydreams*

 Or if they accepted being a Paragon and then showed up at the Assembly just to be annoying. By the way, how does the Assembly work as far as representation? Do all noble Houses get a vote and there only happens to be eighty active noble Houses or only the eighty most important? Like at the end if you form your own House are you deshyr 81? 

Modifié par Sarah1281, 06 juin 2010 - 10:21 .

[soignee]

I do not get my head sometimes. Let's just go with it:
http://pics.livejour...oe/pic/0009gcd6


(the prompt was "modern dragon age." For some reason I parsed that as GTA.)

Modifié par soignee, 06 juin 2010 - 10:51 .

[skcm]

I flipping love you, Soignee.

[Sarah1281]

I like it, soignee.



BTW, do you think a DN would be justified in holding the carta partially responsible for ruining their life if they didn't kill Trian themself? I think it adds more depth to the killing the carta storyline than the non-dwarves would have.

[soignee]

huh? hmm. I don't think the DN would have a reason, no.

[Sarah1281]

soignee wrote...

huh? hmm. I don't think the DN would have a reason, no.

 But the carta were the ones to actually kill Trian as it is implied when the mercenaries have the ring and is proven when you find the documents in Jarvia's hideout from Bhelen hiring them to kill him.

[soignee]

Sarah1281 wrote...

soignee wrote...

huh? hmm. I don't think the DN would have a reason, no.

 But the carta were the ones to actually kill Trian as it is implied when the mercenaries have the ring and is proven when you find the documents in Jarvia's hideout from Bhelen hiring them to kill him.

they didn't have brands though? Unless I've missed something.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Soignee. I think Bhelen would make a fine Dimitri Rascalov.

[Sarah1281]

soignee wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

soignee wrote...

huh? hmm. I don't think the DN would have a reason, no.

 But the carta were the ones to actually kill Trian as it is implied when the mercenaries have the ring and is proven when you find the documents in Jarvia's hideout from Bhelen hiring them to kill him.

they didn't have brands though? Unless I've missed something.

I don't remember if they had brands or not but if you are a DN and you betray Bhelen to Harrowmont before wiping out Jarvia then Dulin says "You reported that casteless sell-swords ambushed you the day of Trian's death. If you could prove Bhelen hired these thugs, prove he sent casteless men to kill a royal prince...Let's say that might change a few votes." Since Dulin is telling you to look for proof in that carta base that means that even if you didn't make the connection that casteless thugs meant carta before he's spelling it out for you and you were the one to give them the information that the mercenaries were casteless to begin with.

[soignee]

Sarah1281 wrote...

soignee wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

soignee wrote...

huh? hmm. I don't think the DN would have a reason, no.

 But the carta were the ones to actually kill Trian as it is implied when the mercenaries have the ring and is proven when you find the documents in Jarvia's hideout from Bhelen hiring them to kill him.

they didn't have brands though? Unless I've missed something.

I don't remember if they had brands or not but if you are a DN and you betray Bhelen to Harrowmont before wiping out Jarvia then Dulin says "You reported that casteless sell-swords ambushed you the day of Trian's death. If you could prove Bhelen hired these thugs, prove he sent casteless men to kill a royal prince...Let's say that might change a few votes." Since Dulin is telling you to look for proof in that carta base that means that even if you didn't make the connection that casteless thugs meant carta before he's spelling it out for you and you were the one to give them the information that the mercenaries were casteless to begin with.

you could, yeah. But it's very loose. You could write it as misplaced anger and everyone looking at the DN like they're wrathfully insane for taking it out on the carta.

I always viewed the Carta as a collection of gangs, to be honest. Not like a corparation. Unless you're a devious viper like Jarvia (who I imagine murdered her way to the top, and quickly) there's not really a collection of criminal element in Dust Town. So the carta that were hired for Trian's death might not be the same

I've also imagined that the warrior caste has assassin types that the nobility hire, rather then common or garden dusters. They've been trained with fighting all their lives, so I would imagine they'd make better trained killers then thuggish dusters.

Modifié par soignee, 06 juin 2010 - 11:19 .

[Gilsa]

soignee wrote...

I do not get my head sometimes. Let's just go with it:
http://pics.livejour...oe/pic/0009gcd6


(the prompt was "modern dragon age." For some reason I parsed that as GTA.)

This rocks hardcore!

[Sarah1281]

soignee wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

soignee wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

soignee wrote...

huh? hmm. I don't think the DN would have a reason, no.

 But the carta were the ones to actually kill Trian as it is implied when the mercenaries have the ring and is proven when you find the documents in Jarvia's hideout from Bhelen hiring them to kill him.

they didn't have brands though? Unless I've missed something.

I don't remember if they had brands or not but if you are a DN and you betray Bhelen to Harrowmont before wiping out Jarvia then Dulin says "You reported that casteless sell-swords ambushed you the day of Trian's death. If you could prove Bhelen hired these thugs, prove he sent casteless men to kill a royal prince...Let's say that might change a few votes." Since Dulin is telling you to look for proof in that carta base that means that even if you didn't make the connection that casteless thugs meant carta before he's spelling it out for you and you were the one to give them the information that the mercenaries were casteless to begin with.

you could, yeah. But it's very loose. You could write it as misplaced anger and everyone looking at the DN like they're wrathfully insane for taking it out on the carta.

I always viewed the Carta as a collection of gangs, to be honest. Not like a corparation. Unless you're a devious viper like Jarvia (who I imagine murdered her way to the top, and quickly) there's not really a collection of criminal element in Dust Town. So the carta that were hired for Trian's death might not be the same

I've also imagined that the warrior caste has assassin types that the nobility hire, rather then common or garden dusters. They've been trained with fighting all their lives, so I would imagine they'd make better trained killers then thuggish dusters.

I don't think a DN would have nearly the same kind of knowledge about how the carta works as a DC would. I mean, in the origin at the proving she, Gorim, and the Proving Trainer are all standing around wondering why the DC was able to fight when it's illegal for them to carry weapons. If you just hear 'the carta's terrorizing the city' and then 'Harrowmont thinks the carta killed Trian' and that the proof will be in Jarvia's hideout? That means that gangs or not it was her faction that killed Trian.

I'm not sure how it's misplaced to hold the particular gang that actually did the crime you get punished for (and if you happen to care that Trian is dead then there's that) responsible for that crime and take out your frustration at your exile and all the negative treatment you've gotten since returning on the people who were actually behind it (since Bhelen is untouchable at the moment).

[Sarah1281]

In other words, it's like this:

Dulin: You know how you told us casteless ambushed you and likely killed Trian? Well we think they were part of Jarvia's carta and if you're lucky you can find proof of the dealings there.

DN: Jarvia's carta killed my brother and allowed Bhelen to blame it on me and get me exiled. I really hate being an exile and putting up with all this undeserved scorn. I'm going to look forward to killing them.

Companion: How do you know the carta you're going to kill was involved?

DN: ...Because Dulin just said that they were and if they weren't involved there would be no proof.

Companion: Wow, what is with this completely irrational anger? Just because they're the ones who actually did the crime doesn't mean you should be mad at them about it. And who cares if they killed your brother? It doesn't really seem like you liked him anyway.

DN: I'm pretty sure this is one of those times where I'm completely justified. Sure, Bhelen would have found another way if the carta didn't do it but the point is that they DID do it so it's on them.

Companion: They're poor and probably had no other choice! They had to do terrible things to survive!

DN: Ask me to care when they DIDN'T help ruin my lilfe. And besides, I can't exactly just up and kill Bhelen for what happened...

[Herr Uhl]

soignee wrote...

I do not get my head sometimes. Let's just go with it:
http://pics.livejour...oe/pic/0009gcd6
(the prompt was "modern dragon age." For some reason I parsed that as GTA.)

Kind of redundant to state it at this point, but I like it.

[soignee]

thanks Herr! Not that that perticular plotnug is out the way I can go ahead and write DDW. Once I finish Alistair and Lady Aeducan playing... uh... at something.



Alsssooo Sarah yeah sounds okay to me.

[Verly]

soignee wrote...

I do not get my head sometimes. Let's just go with it:
http://pics.livejour...oe/pic/0009gcd6


(the prompt was "modern dragon age." For some reason I parsed that as GTA.)

This is awesome!


Edit: and I just favorited it on devart.  

Modifié par Verly, 07 juin 2010 - 02:47 .

[Sarah1281]

Fun fact: You know the King that made the treaty with the Grey Wardens that's the only reason you get into Orzammar? Vartag says it was Eithnar Bemot, Paragon and King, sixteen generations ago which also makes him the man Gorim refers to if not humbled in Bhelen's 'The Assembly likes you better than Trian' conversation.

[RavenousBear]

Interesting. I think one of Lords by Endrin in the throne room during the DN origin was a Bemot; either the one with the enormous nose or the one with theblonde hair.



When does he mentions this? I assume of course you have to be working for Bhelen when returning to Orzammar.

[Sarah1281]

Caak7i wrote...

Interesting. I think one of Lords by Endrin in the throne room during the DN origin was a Bemot; either the one with the enormous nose or the one with theblonde hair.

When does he mentions this? I assume of course you have to be working for Bhelen when returning to Orzammar.

Vartag says this when you first approach him and say 'This treaty obliges Orzammar to send troops to the Surface.' If you tell him you need aid against a Blight he briefly mentions seeing the treaty in the Shapers' libraries but doesn't give you the background information. Of course, if the DN makes mention of the treaty then Vartag does not give you that line, presumably because he feels you already have that information whereas a casteless or a Surfacer would not.

And yes, Lords Bemot and Meino are the ones trying to persuade Endrin to approve of a trading contract with Kal Sharok that he doesn't like because apparently the Kal Sharok Assembly isn't respecting Orzammar's rule like he feels it should and he's trying to pressure them.