Costin_Razvan wrote...
So you doomed Orzammar just out of your desire for revenge?
You sir, are a TRUE noble.
I just love the thought that Endrin heard the DN casually mentioning Bhelen's 'allergies' for years but never had any idea what he was talking about until he saw them in action. PLUS it gives Bhelen another reason to be fratricidal: sooner or later someone will ask what he's allergic to.Costin_Razvan wrote...
Regardless....Endrin would be proud for getting rid of Bhelen and his "allergies."
Modifié par Sarah1281, 07 juin 2010 - 09:05 .
I just checked the toolset and nobody comments on your choice of name. And Bhelen is allergic to tradition.Giggles_Manically wrote...
What are Bhelen's allergies?
Am I missing something or just being oblivious?
Also does Alistair say anything if you name your kid Duncan?
I do a lot but currently I'm on a 'I want to succeed Harrowmont' kick and am annoyed by how insutling Bhelen is when you see him again. It's not because of what happened in the origin, though.Giggles_Manically wrote...
Okay, so how many DN actually sided with Bhelen? I just couldnt, more to the point I liked Trians line in the gauntlent "If I were outside of it, I would applaude Bhelen's move", was also cool when he said he was okay with my DN.
Specifically I will post Gilsa's toolset dialogue from...well, awhile ago. Make of it what you will but there's no way to get through that conversation without him taking a few jabs and it's clear he's not pleased to see you. Maybe he assumes you'll do what he'd do if your positions were reversed? Vartag seems pretty concerned that you're there for the throne.Giggles_Manically wrote...
What makes him angry to see you again? Speciffically though?
Gilsa wrote...
Bhelen: "Well, who would have imagined..." (VO: slightly threatening)
(Female) Bhelen: "My big sister, back from the dead, and calling herself a Grey Warden." (VO: slightly threatening)
(Male) Bhelen: "My big brother, returned from the grave, and with the might of the Grey Wardens behind him." (VO: slightly threatening)
Bhelen: "I could hardly believe it when Vartag said you wished to help me regain the throne." (VO: slightly threatening, skeptical)
TREE 1
1. I just want to stop the Blight. You're my best chance.
Bhelen: "You're right." (VO: approving)
Bhelen: "Harrowmont would bow and dandle you on his knee like a child, but he could never overcome the Assembly's resistance to your treaty." (VO: disdainful, a little jealous)
Bhelen: "This is a time for action, not cultured debate." (VO: passionate and determined)
Bhelen: "We need absolute unity to fight against the fulcrum of true evil." (VO: a dramatic political speech)
*GO TO TREE 3*
2. Why did you do it, Bhelen? What did I ever do to you?
Bhelen: "You'd have acted against me in a heartbeat if I hadn't done it first. The same way you turned everyone in the Assembly against Trian." (VO: angry, hateful)
Bhelen: "The same way our father--may the ancestors bless him--convinced his elder brother to enter a Proving against a convicted murderer." (VO: ironically respectful -- he respects their father for being as underhanded as him)
(IF: Killed_Trian) Bhelen: "The same way you killed Trian the minute he was a threat to you." (VO: sly)
(IF: Framed) Bhelen: "Who do you think gave the murderer the poison to put on his blade?" (VO: sly)
*GO TO TREE 2*
3. Just tell me the truth, did you poison Father? *Go to tree 2, line 4*
4. The throne should belong to an Aeducan.
Bhelen: "You're more pragmatic than I give you credit for." (VO: approving, mocking)
Bhelen: "You're also right. It would weaken all of Orzammar if a Harrowmont took the throne." (VO: scornful)
Bhelen: "Now, Vartag tells me you're here seeking allies against the Blight. You were right to turn to me." (VO: confident)
Bhelen: "Harrowmont would bow and dandle you on his knee like a child, but he could never overcome the Assembly's resistance to your treaty." (VO: disdainful, a little jealous)
Bhelen: "This is a time for action, not cultured debate." (VO: passionate and determined)
Bhelen: "We need absolute unity to fight against the fulcrum of true evil." (VO: a dramatic political speech)
*GO TO TREE 3*
TREE 2
1. Father would never do that!
Bhelen: "He was a second son who took the throne of Orzammar. Do you honestly believe he did nothing underhanded?" (VO: scoffing)
1a. Just tell me the truth, did you poison Father? *Go to tree 2, line 4*
1b. I guess I can't blame you for playing a winning hand. *Go to tree 2, line 5*
1c. I'll never forgive you, but we can work together for now. *Go to tree 2, line 6*
(IF: Killed_Trian) 2. I only killed Trian because you said he was out to get me.
Bhelen: "Please. It's not like you were hard to convince. "Oh, dear. He may try to kill you." "Oops. Can't let that happen. Have to get to him first." (VO: sarcastic, condescending -- making fun of the player)
2a. Just tell me the truth, did you poison Father? *Go to tree 2, line 4*
2b. I guess I can't blame you for playing a winning hand. *Go to tree 2, line 5*
2c. I'll never forgive you, but we can work together for now. *Go to tree 2, line 6*
(IF: Framed) 3. You're wrong. I never plotted against you or Trian.
Bhelen: "You should thank me then; you could never handle the throne. A king of Orzammar has to be ruthless. He has to tell the Assembly to snap to or shut down." (VO: a little disdainful)
Bhelen: "He has to accept that in any battle, against darkspawn or politicians, there are casualties. Neither you nor Harrowmont is that king." (VO: determined, confident)
3a. Harrowmont would be a better king than you would! *Go to tree 4*
3b. Just tell me the truth, did you poison Father? *Go to tree 2, line 4*
3c. I guess I can't blame you for playing a winning hand. *Go to tree 2, line 5*
3d. I'll never forgive you, but we can work together for now. *Go to tree 2, line 6*
4. Just tell me the truth, did you poison Father?
Bhelen: "Father died of grief. He couldn't bear to live when you were gone." (VO: some sadness, jealousy)
4a. Why did you do it, Bhelen? What did I ever do to you? *Go to tree 1, line 2*
4b. I guess I can't blame you for playing a winning hand. *Go to tree 2, line 5*
4c. I'll never forgive you, but we can work together for now. *Go to tree 2, line 6*
5. I guess I can't blame you for playing a winning hand.
Bhelen: "And I guess you've finally learned something about politics." (VO: smirking)
Bhelen: "Now, Vartag tells me you're here seeking allies against the Blight. You were right to turn to me." (VO: confident)
Bhelen: "Harrowmont would bow and dandle you on his knee like a child, but he could never overcome the Assembly's resistance to your treaty." (VO: disdainful, a little jealous)
Bhelen: "This is a time for action, not cultured debate." (VO: passionate and determined)
Bhelen: "We need absolute unity to fight against the fulcrum of true evil." (VO: a dramatic political speech)
*GO TO TREE 3*
6. I'll never forgive you, but we can work together for now.
Bhelen: "You're right." (VO: approving)
Bhelen: "Harrowmont would bow and dandle you on his knee like a child, but he could never overcome the Assembly's resistance to your treaty." (VO: disdainful, a little jealous)
Bhelen: "This is a time for action, not cultured debate." (VO: passionate and determined)
Bhelen: "We need absolute unity to fight against the fulcrum of true evil." (VO: a dramatic political speech)
*GO TO TREE 3*
TREE 3
1. Then send your men and we will leave for the surface today!
Bhelen: "Unfortunately, while this debate rages, I have no power to send the troops you need." (VO: flat)
Bhelen: "You've seen for yourself; the city is a slaughterhouse. Criminals run lawless. I could never hold the throne if I allowed such chaos." (VO: pointed, building up to ask something) *GO TO TREE 5*
2. Then you'll honor your agreement with the Wardens?
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Absolutely. And on the souls of our shared ancestors... as soon as Orzammar is united under Aeducan rule." (VO: dramatic, then pointed)
(IF: NOT_Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Absolutely. And sworn on the mail of my ancestors... as soon as Orzammar is united under my rule." (VO: dramatic, then pointed)
Bhelen: "Unfortunately, while this debate rages, I have no power to send the troops you need." (VO: flat)
Bhelen: "You've seen for yourself; the city is a slaughterhouse. Criminals run lawless. I could never hold the throne if I allowed such chaos." (VO: pointed, building up to ask something) *GO TO TREE 5*
3. There will be time for politics when the darkspawn are gone.
Bhelen: "Unfortunately, while this debate rages, I have no power to send the troops you need." (VO: flat)
Bhelen: "You've seen for yourself; the city is a slaughterhouse. Criminals run lawless. I could never hold the throne if I allowed such chaos." (VO: pointed, building up to ask something) *GO TO TREE 5*
4. That sounds a little extreme...
Bhelen: "Then you have forgotten your training. The Warden's first principle is the darkspawn must be defeated at all costs." (VO: sly)
Bhelen: "I cannot send you the troops you need while this senseless debate tears Orzammar apart." (VO: firm)
Bhelen: "You've seen for yourself; the city is a slaughterhouse. Criminals run lawless. I could never hold the throne if I allowed such chaos." (VO: pointed, building up to ask something) *GO TO TREE 5*
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) 5. You never were willing to hear the voice of dissent.
Bhelen: "Unfortunately, while this debate rages, I have no power to send the troops you need." (VO: flat)
Bhelen: "You've seen for yourself; the city is a slaughterhouse. Criminals run lawless. I could never hold the throne if I allowed such chaos." (VO: pointed, building up to ask something) *GO TO TREE 5*
TREE 4
Bhelen: "Then why are you here?" (VO: sly)
1. Well, you got me there.
Bhelen: "You need help, and after what you did to him, Harrowmont won't give it." (VO: firm)
Bhelen: "And I don't believe you'd risk your alliance just to find out about my brother. You may not like me, and I'm fine with that." (VO: indifferent, confident)
Bhelen: "This is a time for action, not cultured debate." (VO: passionate and determined)
Bhelen: "We need absolute unity to fight against the fulcrum of true evil." (VO: a dramatic political speech)
*GO TO TREE 3*
2. We don't need a good king now, we need a strong king. *Go to Bhelen's response in tree 1, line 4*
3. I just want to stop the Blight. You're my best chance. *Go to tree 1, line 1*
TREE 5
1. Maybe I could do something about that...
Bhelen: "Jarvia and her carta are behind this bedlam."
Bhelen: "If you can eliminate them, I promise as king, I will send as many troops as you need to fight the darkspawn." (VO: confident)
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Unfortunately, Jarvia's base of operations is in Dust Town, and you know how little leverage we have there." (VO: frustrated)
Bhelen: "The casteless refuse to cooperate with my men. But now that you've spent so much time on the surface, you're practically one of them." (VO: an open insult, but knows player isn't in a position to fight it)
Bhelen: "Perhaps you'll have better luck." (VO: smirking)
1a. I'll go look for her right now.
Bhelen: "And I will wait eagerly for your return." (VO: pleased he got his way) *END DIALOGUE*
1b. I'll look into it. That's all I can promise.
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) (Female) Bhelen: "Still taking the middle ground, big sister? I should have known you wouldn't give a firm answer." (VO: dismissive)
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) (Male) Bhelen: "Still hedging your bets, big brother? One of these days, you'll have to jump in with both feet." (VO: Dismissive)
Bhelen: "Take your time, then. But remember, every minute you wait, more darkspawn walk the surface lands..." (VO: Forboding) *END DIALOGUE*
(IF: NOT_Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "That's all I can ask. But I can be of no help until this problem is solved." (VO: pointed)
Bhelen: "And every minute we wait, more darkspawn swarm into human lands..." (VO: Forboding) *END DIALOGUE*
1c. I'm not promising anything.
Bhelen: "You know what I want, and what I can give if I get it. There's little point in further negotiations." (VO: Curt. Kind of bossy. He knows he's in a position of power.)
Bhelen: "I will wait to hear whether you follow through or not." (VO: Curt) *END DIALOGUE*
2. Are you trying to go back on your word?
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "I only promised to hear your story." (VO: mild)
Bhelen: "Now, I will help when I can, but I must send what troops I have now to combat Jarvia and her so-called carta." (VO: firm) *GO TO TREE 6*
3. How can I help you take the throne?
Bhelen: "You have struck a blow against Harrowmont already, and I thank you for that. But there is another faction in play here." (VO: polite, pointed)
(IF: Dwarf_Commoner) Bhelen: "Your sister told me you have a history with Jarvia and the carta she runs." (VO: delicate) *Go to tree 6, line 4, line 5, line 6 and tree 5, line 3d*
Bhelen: "Have you heard of a woman named Jarvia, and the carta of criminals she runs?" (VO: pointed)
3a. The gang of casteless, yes. *Go to Bhelen's response in tree 6, line 6*
3b. No. Not really.
Bhelen: "They're a gang of criminals, mostly casteless, led by a repulsive slug of a woman named Jarvia. They've paid off numerous guardsmen to build their power." *Go to Bhelen's response in tree 6, line 6*
3c. I heard they're wiping the slate with your guardsmen. *Go to tree 6, line 6*
3d. What about them? *Go to Bhelen's response in tree 6, line 6*
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) 4. I thought you were such a strong ruler, Bhelen.
Bhelen: "I can hold my throne, thank you. But I cannot hold it and send the troops you need. Or do you take back that request?" (VO: pointed)
Bhelen: "I didn't think so." (VO: sly. slight pause before this line, as if raising his eyebrow, waiting for the lack of response from the pc.)
Bhelen: "Now, I will help when I can, but I must send what troops I have now to combat Jarvia and her so-called carta." (VO: firm) *GO TO TREE 6*
TREE 6
1. Who?
Bhelen: "They're a gang of criminals, mostly casteless, led by a repulsive slug of a woman named Jarvia. They've paid off numerous guardsmen to build their power." (VO: disgusted, like he's talking about a pest)
Bhelen: "They know Orzammar is divided now and has no time for them. It's made them bold." (VO: calculating, scornful)
Bhelen: "If I show the city I can eliminate such a threat... Well, let's just say my position would be stronger." (VO: sly) *GO TO TREE 7*
2. Is the carta that powerful?
Bhelen: "They know Orzammar is divided now and has no time for them. It's made them bold." (VO: calculating, scornful)
Bhelen: "If I show the city I can eliminate such a threat... Well, let's just say my position would be stronger." (VO: sly) *GO TO TREE 7*
3. I saw Jarvia's men threatening a merchant.
Bhelen: "They know Orzammar is divided now and has no time for them. It's made them bold." (VO: calculating, scornful)
Bhelen: "If I show the city I can eliminate such a threat... Well, let's just say my position would be stronger." (VO: sly) *GO TO TREE 7*
(IF: Dwarf_Commoner) 4. Now there's a name I never wanted to hear again.
Bhelen: "Your sister told me of your... past run-ins with Jarvia." (VO: delicate, trying to put it politely)
Bhelen: "She took over Beraht's carta after you left, and expanded his operations remarkably. From what Rica says, I doubt Jarvia remembers you fondly." (VO: hinting) *Go to tree 6, line 6, tree 7, line 3*
(IF: Dwarf_Commoner) 5. If you're talking about killing Jarvia, I want in! *Go to tree 7, line 3*
6. I heard they're wiping the slate with your guardsmen.
Bhelen: "They know Orzammar is divided now and has no time for them. It's made them bold." (VO: calculating, scornful)
Bhelen: "If I show the city I can eliminate such a threat... Well, let's just say my position would be stronger." (VO: sly) *GO TO TREE 7*
TREE 7
1. What if I took them out for you?
Bhelen: "If you can eliminate them, I promise as king, I will send as many troops as you need to fight the darkspawn." (VO: confident)
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Unfortunately, Jarvia's base of operations is in Dust Town, and you know how little leverage we have there." (VO: frustrated)
Bhelen: "The casteless refuse to cooperate with my men. But now that you've spent so much time on the surface, you're practically one of them." (VO: an open insult, but knows player isn't in a position to fight it)
Bhelen: "Perhaps you'll have better luck." (VO: smirking) *Go to tree 5, line 1a, 1b, 1c*
2. And let me guess, you want my help.
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Isn't that what you're offering? If you eliminate Jarvia and her thugs, I'll do my best to honor that treaty you're so sweet on." (VO: sly, making himself sound reasonable)
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Unfortunately, Jarvia's base of operations is in Dust Town, and you know how little leverage we have there." (VO: frustrated)
Bhelen: "The casteless refuse to cooperate with my men. But now that you've spent so much time on the surface, you're practically one of them." (VO: an open insult, but knows player isn't in a position to fight it)
Bhelen: "Perhaps you'll have better luck." (VO: smirking) *Go to tree 5, line 1a, 1b, 1c*
(IF: Dwarf_Commoner) 3. If you're talking about killing Jarvia, I want in!
Bhelen: "I love how you jump straight to the point. Yes. I want Jarvia dead and her carta wiped out." (VO: pleased, but a little condescending)
Bhelen: "It would boost my popularity to be known as the one who eliminated her. And I could promise you the troops you need." (VO: pointed -- this is a ******-for-tat arrangement)
Bhelen: "I would offer to help, but I imagine you know Dust Town far better than I do." (VO: dismissive) *Go to tree 5, line 1a and 1b*
4. Just point me at them and your trouble's over.
Bhelen: "Your eagerness is charming. If you can do as you say, you will have the troops you need the moment I take the throne." (VO: sly, making himself sound reasonable)
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Unfortunately, Jarvia's base of operations is in Dust Town, and you know how little leverage we have there." (VO: frustrated)
Bhelen: "The casteless refuse to cooperate with my men. But now that you've spent so much time on the surface, you're practically one of them." (VO: an open insult, but knows player isn't in a position to fight it)
Bhelen: "Perhaps you'll have better luck." (VO: smirking) *Go to tree 5, line 1a, 1b, 1c*
5. Why haven't you been able to take her out before?
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Her roots are deep in Dust Town, and there are too many guardsmen in her pocket for me to dig her out right now." (VO: with hatred, like he's talking about a pest)
Bhelen: "And frankly, until Father's death, she kept her depravity focused on other brands, so no one cared. Now they're attacking honest men." (VO: dismissive)
5a. What do I get in return? *Go to Bhelen's response in tree 7, line 1*
5b. Just point me at them and your trouble's over. *Go to tree 7, line 4*
5c. I'll look into it, that's all I can promise. *Go to tree 5, line 1b*
(IF: Dwarf_Noble_Male) 6. If I help you, I want you to help my son.
(IF: Persuaded) Bhelen: "Your son? What are you-- Oh, that's rich. You're talking about that casteless girl, aren't you?" (VO: amused, smirking)
Bhelen: "The one that came around claiming an Aeducan son. That was yours? I never figured you for that sort of man." (VO: amused that his brother has vices)
Bhelen: "But put me on the throne and I'll give the **** and her brat the Aeducan name, and a lovely room in the smallest palace." (VO: offhand, condescending)
(Continues onto asking if player will help with Jarvia or not)
(IF: Not_persuaded) Bhelen: "Your son? What are you-- Oh. Oh, that's rich. You're talking about that casteless girl who came around claiming to have an Aeducan son." (VO: amused, smirking)
Bhelen: "Well, Brother, I can't agree to raise a condemned criminal's casteless brat into House Aeducan." (VO: enjoying insulting the player)
Bhelen: "Perhaps if you help me regain the throne, I'll reconsider. But I can't make any promises before then." (VO: condescending, insulting)
(Continues onto asking if player will help with Jarvia or not)
(IF: Player_Or_Alistair_Is_King) 7. You would ask the king of Ferelden to hunt down pickpockets?
Bhelen: "I'd never ask for such a thing, but if you do eliminate Jarvia and her thugs, you would have my gratitude." (VO: sly, making himself sound reasonable)
Bhelen: "If you can eliminate them, I promise as king, I will send as many troops as you need to fight the darkspawn." (VO: confident)
(IF: Dwarf_Noble) Bhelen: "Unfortunately, Jarvia's base of operations is in Dust Town, and you know how little leverage we have there." (VO: frustrated)
Bhelen: "The casteless refuse to cooperate with my men. But now that you've spent so much time on the surface, you're practically one of them." (VO: an open insult, but knows player isn't in a position to fight it)
Bhelen: "Perhaps you'll have better luck." (VO: smirking) *Go to tree 5, line 1a, 1b, 1c*
Modifié par Gilsa, 07 juin 2010 - 10:12 .
I know. He just really REALLY seems to hate you and I blame it on his raging daddy issues.What a hypocrite.
Not to mention that Endrin was willing to let Trian's murder slide and exile the kid he actually liked for the sake of keeping the throne in the family but if that meant he had to give it to Bhelen...no deal. That couldn't have helped matters any.Caak7i wrote...
I bet Trian had a role as well, being a bully and such.
Except Rica. That's why he did this:Caak7i wrote...
Poor little Bhelen... nobody loves him
You want to be Pontius Pilate? Why?Caak7i wrote...
So if I kill him, it makes me Pontius Pilate? More reasons to gut him.
Sarah1281 wrote...
Except Rica. That's why he did this:Caak7i wrote...
Poor little Bhelen... nobody loves him
Tell that to KoP.Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Sarah1281 wrote...
Except Rica. That's why he did this:Caak7i wrote...
Poor little Bhelen... nobody loves him
He's not the Messiah, just a very naughty boy!
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Sarah1281 wrote...
Except Rica. That's why he did this:Caak7i wrote...
Poor little Bhelen... nobody loves him
He's not the Messiah, just a very naughty boy!
Which movie?ejoslin wrote...
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Sarah1281 wrote...
Except Rica. That's why he did this:Caak7i wrote...
Poor little Bhelen... nobody loves him
He's not the Messiah, just a very naughty boy!
Heh, and yes, I see Bhelen, naked, flinging the doors open over a river of lava.
Gah, best movie EVER! Or at least in the top five!
Sarah1281 wrote...
Which movie?ejoslin wrote...
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
He's not the Messiah, just a very naughty boy!
Heh, and yes, I see Bhelen, naked, flinging the doors open over a river of lava.
Gah, best movie EVER! Or at least in the top five!
Sarah1281 wrote...
You want to be Pontius Pilate? Why?Caak7i wrote...
So if I kill him, it makes me Pontius Pilate? More reasons to gut him.
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