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[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Costin. It was not Bhelen who signed the treaty to help the Wardens. So apparently it was clear for preivious Dwarf rulers that helping the surface is necessary. Why? Well because if the surface is annihilated, the Dwarves would have to face a two front war on their own and they would be massacred with ease. Remember that also the darkspawn are far more organised and efficient during a Blight, thanks to the Archdemon being present. If the Archdemon succeeds in the surface, it would annihilate Orzammar with ease.

As for Bhelen's personal motives. I think its part of his policy of rapprochement with the surface. Plus, he needs a good war to secure his throne well. In addition to the reasons mentionned above. Even the dwarves at the deep road entrance are scared at the idea of a Blight on the surface.

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah, if you want realism, your Aeducan had to have a big nose too

No, female dwarves naturally have smaller noses and the nose Endrin, Bhelen, and Trian have isn't even available although it is the default for male dwarves. And if all three of the kids are going to have the same nose, that means that either the mother likely had it as well which might have made her already too closely related to Endrin for my comfort level or she has the world's most recessive jeans ever. Kind of like the people Maric kept having children with, come to think of it.

[Costin_Razvan]

I suppose you are right in that Bhelen needs a good war to really secure his throne. However beyond that I don't understand why he feels the strong urge to march to the surface, not while the threat of the Blight is not a strong one compared to the other Blights in history.

I know it is sound to take care of the Blight if it starts proving too much for the surface to handle, but Fereldan isn't the best example of a surface nation. It is just a drop of water in a large glass compared to Orlais in military strength. ( It can also be argued that pushing the spawn far back in the Deep in his first months as ruler would be a resounding victory. )

If Orlais starts losing, then yes it would be foolish to NOT march.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 08 juin 2010 - 05:40 .

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I suppose you are right in that Bhelen needs a good war to really secure his throne. However beyond that I don't understand why he feels the strong urge to march to the surface, not while the threat of the Blight is not a strong one compared to the other Blights in history.

I know it is sound to take care of the Blight if it starts proving too much for the surface to handle, but Fereldan isn't the best example of a surface nation. It is just a drop of water in a large glass compared to Orlais in military strength. ( It can also be argued that pushing the spawn far back in the Deep in his first months as ruler would be resounding victory. )

If Orlais starts losing, then yes it would be foolish to NOT march.

I think he probably is looking at the bigger picture. I mean, look at how well-received either the Dalish or the werewolves are initially for their part in the Blight. It would be all the opening Bhelen needed to strengthen relations with the Surface. Not to mention that a Surface war is a fantastic opportunity to get rid of his political oppoents without having to kill them himself and, if he's just killing the sons of Harrowmont supporters, without hurting his PR as much. And even in the expedition in the DN origins he was pretty set on not letting the Surfacers be the ones to do the brunt of the fighting against the darkspawn. Maybe he's a fan of the Paragon his House was founded from as well? 

[KnightofPhoenix]

It could also be that Bhelen wants to establish the Dwarves as a major power, at least in Ferelden. And what better way to do that other than saving it.

[Gilsa]

I looked up all their heads in the toolset to see what differences they had.


Endrin:
-ice blue eye color
-white hair/beard
-white stubble/brows
-Nose: 57% "thin," nose size is maxed to 100%, nostrils widened by 55%, nose bridge is maxed out at 100%, tip of nose is increased by 42%.
-Eyes: 57% smaller than default, 50% squint


Trian:
-ice blue eye color
-bln hair/beard
-lbr stubble/brows
-Nose: 48% "big," nose size is default (0%), nostrils widened by 29%, nose bridge is default (0%), tip of nose is default (0%).
-Eyes: default eye size (0%), 100% squint


Bhelen:
-ice blue eye color
-dbl hair/beard
-lbr stubble/brows
-Nose: 57% "big," nose size is default (0%), nostrils widened by 11%, nose bridge is decreased by 39%, tip of nose is increased by 24%.
-Eyes: 32% smaller, 72% squint.

Just for kicks, I took off the "old person" layer from King Endrin and changed his hair color to Bhelen's so we could see what he may have looked like when he was younger. Not an entirely accurage picture since his default eyes are shriveled and his nose is very bulbous for his age, but you get the picture.



Edit: I went ahead and took it a step further. I reset his small eyes to default size, reset his nose size and bridge to default (like Bhelen and Trian), and gave him the same skin coloring as his sons. Changed his hairstyle to reflect better grooming for a man his age and gave him Trian's hair color this time. That's it.



And if any of you are hardcore RP and are obsessed over looking like your brothers, I can export these faces as .mop files so you can use them as presets for your character creator. Just saying.

Modifié par Gilsa, 08 juin 2010 - 06:20 .

[tmp7704]

Since the dwarves accept the surface troops under his rule in the epilogue, i'd imagine he's seeing it as opportunity to create an "'i'll scratch your back and you'll scratch mine" situation -- dwarves reinforced/assisted by human armies have better chance to take back their old settlements from the darkspawn, and it also means less dwarf deaths in these fights with others there to take the blows too.

[Kryyptehk]

Am I weird because I think Bhelen is sort of attractive? Yes? Okay. lol

[KnightofPhoenix]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Am I weird because I think Bhelen is sort of attractive? Yes? Okay. lol

No.
Many dwarven women in Orzammar think he's attractive apparently.

[Sarah1281]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Am I weird because I think Bhelen is sort of attractive? Yes? Okay. lol

Many dwarves in-game agree with you. The nose though...I have this thing about big noses and his is freaking huge.

[Kryyptehk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Am I weird because I think Bhelen is sort of attractive? Yes? Okay. lol

No.
Many dwarven women in Orzammar think he's attractive apparently.

Huh, I don't remember that. Now I don't feel as bad.

[Kryyptehk]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Am I weird because I think Bhelen is sort of attractive? Yes? Okay. lol

Many dwarves in-game agree with you. The nose though...I have this thing about big noses and his is freaking huge.

....I like big noses.

Nothing to see here:whistle:

[Sarah1281]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Am I weird because I think Bhelen is sort of attractive? Yes? Okay. lol

Many dwarves in-game agree with you. The nose though...I have this thing about big noses and his is freaking huge.

....I like big noses.

Nothing to see here:whistle:

Some people have to like big noses or else no one with a big nose would ever get a date.

I really just hate noses in general so the bigger they are the worse...

Modifié par Sarah1281, 08 juin 2010 - 05:57 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Kryyptehk, I think you would like my Dain Aeducan.

[Kryyptehk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk, I think you would like my Dain Aeducan.

Probably. Too bad you have XBox.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...
I really just hate noses in general so the bigger they are the worse...

Protoss a fantasy of yours?





The downside is that you get no mouth too.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Kryyptehk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk, I think you would like my Dain Aeducan.

Probably. Too bad you have XBox.

[Lord Gremlin]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Am I weird because I think Bhelen is sort of attractive? Yes? Okay. lol

Many dwarves in-game agree with you. The nose though...I have this thing about big noses and his is freaking huge.

....I like big noses.

Nothing to see here:whistle:

Come on, we know what they say about men with big noses... That they also have big... Well, other parts.

[Sarah1281]

@ Knight: Yeah, mouths are kind of non-negotiable. And since you clearly have screenshots of your dwarf why don't you have any of your HN so the people in the Alithread can finally see what he looks like?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

@ Knight: Yeah, mouths are kind of non-negotiable. And since you clearly have screenshots of your dwarf why don't you have any of your HN so the people in the Alithread can finally see what he looks like?

Yea I might actually.

[Costin_Razvan]

You know, your DN looks exactly like Loghain in facial structure at least.

Btw, here is a song befitting Bhelen. Magnificent Bastard.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 08 juin 2010 - 06:17 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I did not intend for him to look like Loghain. It just came out that way I guess.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I did not intend for him to look like Loghain. It just came out that way I guess.

It's Aedu-ghain. We have discovered a new species!

[Costin_Razvan]

I wonder how Loghain would do as a ruler in Orzammar...."rubs chin in deep thought".



Anyway....Fallout 3 is so sad when James dies....he is just so awesome.

[Kryyptehk]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I wonder how Loghain would do as a ruler in Orzammar...."rubs chin in deep thought".

Anyway....Fallout 3 is so sad when James dies....he is just so awesome.

Destroy it, probably. Orzammar has less of a population than Ferelden, so I imagine by the end there would be 2 or 3 dwarves left.