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[Herr Uhl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I assure you, it's not flirting, even if French makes insults sound romantic.

Loving banter is too close.

[Giggles_Manically]

Costin you know what you are a monster. Go into a clinic and see the poor people of Megaton on the ground screaming "It Burns, Oh God it BUrns!" or some begging to be killed. YOu are advocating Mass Murder across the wastes simply for the "LONG TERM BENEFIT OF ALL MANKIND" The Super Mutants will die in time when the FEV runs out. The Ghouls you seem to loathe only look terrible, they still feel and think, meaning they are not zombies. The Purifier is killing off mutant creatures since they can not drink or live in the water.

The Wastes will recover in time, without the new virus.which is what Broken Steel showed. While kiling Feral GHouls and Evil Mutants is a good goal, thats what the Lone Wanderer is for. Also if you believe that sacrificing a few for the many is good, would you give up your spuse or child to die in an experiment, if it could create a cure for a disease. Its easy to say Few for the MAny it is hard to practice it.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 09 juin 2010 - 07:15 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Its easy to say Few for the MAny it is hard to practice it.

It always has and always will be, but unlike Hitler and his Holocaust or Stalin and his Holodmor, this kind of killing has real long term effects, not that using the FEV really can compare to either of the two I listed above on any stretch.

Go into a clinic and see the poor people of Megaton on the ground screaming "It Burns, Oh God it BUrns!" or some begging to be killed

Before you throw that kind of bull**** at my face, just know that I have lived in a former Eastern Bloc Country all my life, which is in a nutshell: A ****hole. ( Romania )

I would ask in what kind of country you have lived.

Perhaps you feel that a few human lives should be placed higher then the restoration of an ecosystem that humans destroyed. I do not. My character will gladly use the FEV and will also sacrifice himself by turning the purifier on.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 09 juin 2010 - 07:22 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Kryyptehk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...


Just because I told you to shush. You are a fickle man.

Je plaisante

"I pleasing"? What does that even mean? Argh, I suck at French.

I am joking. T'as raison, je t'aime

T'as, j'as raison. Or is it m'as? Pfft, I know about as much French as a five year old.

Can't the two of you ever post in the same thread without derailing it with such shameless public displays of perverse affection?

Not that I'm complaining, mind you. The opposite in fact.  I'm actually rather enjoying the show. And I encourage such wanton behavior as well. I just thought I'd ask. 

Skadi approves +20.

[Kryyptehk]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...


Just because I told you to shush. You are a fickle man.

Je plaisante

"I pleasing"? What does that even mean? Argh, I suck at French.

I am joking. T'as raison, je t'aime

T'as, j'as raison. Or is it m'as? Pfft, I know about as much French as a five year old.

Can't the two of you ever post in the same thread without derailing it with such shameless public displays of perverse affection?

Not that I'm complaining, mind you. The opposite in fact.  I'm actually rather enjoying the show. And I encourage such wanton behavior as well. I just thought I'd ask. 

Skadi approves +20.

Kryyptehk disapproves -30

[KnightofPhoenix]

KnightofPhoenix is indifferent +-0.

[Costin_Razvan]

You know...now that I think of it....doesn't anyone think that the morality in Fallout 3 is very twisted?

I mean killing Roy, the ghoul who wants to and will slaughter everyone in Tennpeny Tower, gives you bad Karma. While negotiating into allowing the ghouls to live inside, despite the fact it still leads to a massacre is considered good?

Then there is the Family....how is it good to allow a pack of people live by sucking blood of innocent good?!

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 09 juin 2010 - 07:32 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Any game that claims to dictate morality will be stupid. DA: Origins is the smart game to not have this bs.

[Costin_Razvan]

I agree with that sentiment Knight.

[Kryyptehk]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

You know...now that I think of it....doesn't anyone think that the morality in Fallout 3 is very twisted?

I mean killing Roy, the ghoul who wants to and will slaughter everyone in Tennpeny Tower, gives you bad Karma. While negotiating into allowing the ghouls to live inside, despite the fact it still leads to a massacre is considered good?

Then there is the Family....how is it good to allow a pack of people live by sucking blood of innocent good?!

This is very true. The first time I played Fallout 3, I got the people in Tenpenny to live peacefully...for a day...until Roy slaughtered everyone.

[Costin_Razvan]

I would have liked for only a few select actions ( like Blowing up Megaton ) to have you considered evil and the Regulators after you...not that I think highly of them.

Vigilante idiots! I just blew up a nuke and tore through the Enclave, what bloody chance do you think you have?!

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 09 juin 2010 - 07:37 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Its easy to say Few for the MAny it is hard to practice it.

It always has and always will be, but unlike Hitler and his Holocaust or Stalin and his Holodmor, this kind of killing has real long term effects, not that using the FEV really can compare to either of the two I listed above on any stretch.

Go into a clinic and see the poor people of Megaton on the ground screaming "It Burns, Oh God it BUrns!" or some begging to be killed

Before you throw that kind of bull**** at my face, just know that I have lived in a former Eastern Bloc Country all my life, which is in a nutshell: A ****hole. ( Romania )

I would ask in what kind of country you have lived.

Perhaps you feel that a few human lives should be placed higher then the restoration of an ecosystem that humans destroyed. I do not. My character will gladly use the FEV and will also sacrifice himself by turning the purifier on.

I am not talking about a "few" human lives I am talking about hundreds of lives. You think it is right to massacare a small town for the possibility of saving an eco system? The FEV virus is wrong, it is bio warfare on a gigantic scale.  Also it is only to kill people not on the Enclave's acceptable list, which includes the BoS.

And about where I lived my dad was a crop duster so until I was 10 I lived in trailers or the backs of farm houses in about 8 different provinces, and with 5 other people, thanks for asking.

[Costin_Razvan]

Hundreds of lives compared to the trillions upon trillions of organisms/animals/plant life destroyed in the first fallout of nuclear war. I apologize if I consider the price small compared to restoring the ecosystem. Humanity lost a great deal in that nuclear war, but the ecosystem was completely destroyed.

I don't care what Eden says. I am not an idiot who takes what he ( it whatever ) says for granted, I can form my opinion about the FEV.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 09 juin 2010 - 07:48 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Hundreds of lives compared to the trillions upon trillions of organisms/animals/plant life destroyed in the first fallout of nuclear war. I apologize if I consider the price small compared to restoring the ecosystem. Humanity lost a great deal in that nuclear war, but the ecosystem was completely destroyed.

I don't care what Eden says. I am not an idiot who takes what he ( it whatever ) says for granted, I can form my opinion about the FEV.

Ok ok sorry about getting angry lets just agree that we both see the game in different ways, blowing Ravenrock up was fun for me, but the FEV just goes past any line I can make. I believe that the Purifier will do the trick, while you dont and that is okay. BTW Prof. Li is gone in broken steel I think she went to the Commenwealth if i rember.

[Jestina]

One thing I miss is dwarf clerics. You've only got rogue and warrior...bleh.

[Giggles_Manically]

Jestina wrote...

One thing I miss is dwarf clerics. You've only got rogue and warrior...bleh.

If a Dwarf could use magic that would be so overpowered.

[Kryyptehk]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Jestina wrote...

One thing I miss is dwarf clerics. You've only got rogue and warrior...bleh.

If a Dwarf could use magic that would be so overpowered.

Yeah, and everybody would want to be a dwarf. The humans and elves would be soooo lonely.

[Jestina]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
If a Dwarf could use magic that would be so overpowered.

They are tough but not overpowered. I've played a dwarf cleric in just about every fantasy setting. Kind of sucks that DA doesn't have that option. Clerics don't have full access to all magic like mages...usually just def boosting and healing.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I'm actually glad by the lack of clerics and divine magic in DA. Look what happens to universes with active "real" deities, like Fr and 4E D&D in general.



No thanks. I like having the existance of a deity to be a completely subjective matter, instead of an absolute, inescapable fact.

[Jestina]

No beard options for Dwarf ladies either. And mine would have looked so pretty with braids and ribbons.



Maybe there will eventually be Dwarf clerics, I can always hope. I don't really care much for rogues and warriors tend to be a bore.

[Herr Uhl]

Jestina wrote...

No beard options for Dwarf ladies either. And mine would have looked so pretty with braids and ribbons.

Maybe there will eventually be Dwarf clerics, I can always hope. I don't really care much for rogues and warriors tend to be a bore.

Dwarf monks, maybe. Dwarf clerics (with some kind of divine/magical power) no.

[Costin_Razvan]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Hundreds of lives compared to the trillions upon trillions of organisms/animals/plant life destroyed in the first fallout of nuclear war. I apologize if I consider the price small compared to restoring the ecosystem. Humanity lost a great deal in that nuclear war, but the ecosystem was completely destroyed.

I don't care what Eden says. I am not an idiot who takes what he ( it whatever ) says for granted, I can form my opinion about the FEV.

Ok ok sorry about getting angry lets just agree that we both see the game in different ways, blowing Ravenrock up was fun for me, but the FEV just goes past any line I can make. I believe that the Purifier will do the trick, while you dont and that is okay. BTW Prof. Li is gone in broken steel I think she went to the Commenwealth if i rember.

Fair enough, I understand that. If you can believe the purifier will achieve the same goal as the FEV but somehow more long term, then it would make little sense to use the FEV other then just being a murderous bastard.

I just don't see how the purifier can restore the ecosystem however. Radiation is not something that can be washed away from the earth with rains. It works in humans because they stop drinking dirty water and switch to the pure stuff and eventually ( with treatment ) it goes away completely.

With the FEV it works, in my mind at least, in that the FEV destroys every bit of radiation in the earth, allowing plants to grow again, and thus allowing animals to bred without any radiation in them. 

Certainly the ecosystem would recover eventually on it's own, but we are talking of a difference of hundreds of thousands of years compared to a mere few hundred.

[tmp7704]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Hundreds of lives compared to the trillions upon trillions of organisms/animals/plant life destroyed in the first fallout of nuclear war. I apologize if I consider the price small compared to restoring the ecosystem. Humanity lost a great deal in that nuclear war, but the ecosystem was completely destroyed.

But if the virus is supposed to kill off anything irradiated then it won't "restore the ecosystem" but rather annihilate whatever is left from it. Because there isn't anything that's not irradiated out there.

[Costin_Razvan]

Actually there are some plants that somehow are not irradiated and grow on their own. Destroying everything that is irradiated would allow such plants to flourish.

[tmp7704]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Actually there are some plants that somehow are not irradiated and grow on their own. Destroying everything that is irradiated would allow such plants to flourish.

There is Oasis which is, ironically enough, a "sprout" of FEV-infected mutant. But there's far more to the working ecosystem than a few plants, and you'd be missing all these other parts after the virus is done going through them.