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[tmp7704]

soignee wrote...

While my personal preference agrees with this, it seems fandom doesn't, which I find perculiar. This is a game with very visual gore splatter and fighting, and the fic I've come across barely even mention weapons and armour (unless it's being pulled off...)

Tbh i find the armour/weapon pr0n about as much of snoozefest as the gun pr0n -- both are very rarely relevant plot devices, and when they aren't they become pointless filler.

For that matter, same goes for the fighting. If fighting random enemy spawns every few steps were sooo much of a thrill, Skip the Fade would be nowhere near as popular as it is. So while i'll enjoy well written equivalent of the Landsmeet brawl/duel, reading about fighting for the sake of having some fighting would get old quick. Especially since you know from get-go who is going to win.

[Costin_Razvan]

Sarah1281 wrote...
@Gilsa: I'm finally on a computer that makes your pictures show up and all I have to say is: shut up, Wynne.  I'm not even annoyed at Vartag threatening to kill her and I never miss the opportunity to get irritated with him.

Did anyone else feel the need to punch Wynne?

[soignee]

tmp7704 wrote...


Tbh i find the armour/weapon pr0n about as much of snoozefest as the gun pr0n -- both are very rarely relevant plot devices, and when they aren't they become pointless filler.

For that matter, same goes for the fighting. If fighting random enemy spawns every few steps were sooo much of a thrill, Skip the Fade would be nowhere near as popular as it is. So while i'll enjoy well written equivalent of the Landsmeet brawl/duel, reading about fighting for the sake of having some fighting would get old quick. Especially since you know from get-go who is going to win.

I'll admit I love the savage beauty of a good fight/action sequence. Oh man, I love action movies for this reason, and even attempt to try it in real life at the gym (feel free to LOL at me now) as I do body combat training twice a week and it's soooooo much fun. It's all good cardiovascular training too, even if I want to go curl up and die aftger the intial adrenaline wears off. [/end soignee gym obsession]

All the fight scenes I've done in writing have been necessary to the plot, honest guv'nor...!

[Herr Uhl]

When it comes to reading, fighting isn't that important to me. In a visual medium I appreciate it more, but when it comes to reading, not really.



Not that I'm a huge fan of all the romanceocentric fanfics (translation: it's about the PC and their LI and more than 70%of the fic is them having love-squabbles) mind you.

[soignee]

oh man, you guis have got me all paranoidddddd about pacing now. Hmm. I guess I have to curb my bloodthirsty stabbity stab nature a leeeeeeeeeeetle then.

[tmp7704]

soignee wrote...

oh man, you guis have got me all paranoidddddd about pacing now. Hmm. I guess I have to curb my bloodthirsty stabbity stab nature a leeeeeeeeeeetle then.

Ah but i wouldn't worry really. If you personally enjoy writing them then that's good enough reason to have it, and odds are some other people are going to enjoy it too. And the ones who don't can always just skip forward past it if they think it's too much.

[Herr Uhl]

I agree with the poster above me.

[Sarah1281]

Yeah, write what you want to, soignee. At least you're GOOD at fight scenes.
Also, I was looking through Gorim's goodbye dialogue at the prison for this one-shot I was writing during class and WOW you can really be an ****:
Gorim: I begged to go with you and fight at your side, but Bhelen's pet noblew wouldn't hear of it. (VO: wistful, sad)
PC: I'll be better off without you.
Gorim: Very well, then. Goodbye, my Lord Aeducan. (VO: Polite)
PC: Are you still here?
Gorim: No. Ser Gorim isn't anywhere anymore. (VO: Hopleless.)



How can anyone be that heartless? His life is being destroyed, too, over your actions and political problems and he just told you he'd rather die with you then go have a new life and you can be that dismissive? Even if you're thinking it, why would you say it?!?!

[soignee]

My friend did a betch!ducan runthrough and said all those mean things. I was like NUUUUUU

[Sarah1281]

soignee wrote...

My friend did a betch!ducan runthrough and said all those mean things. I was like NUUUUUU

I am both horrified and impressed because I know I could not do that. To me, this ranks up there with the 'be a man while I have you killed, Alistair' , 'bye Shianni, I have to go get my 40 sovereigns', and 'great seeing you, dad, no I'm not  dead and I'm sorry about this but I really need that stat bonus!'

[Giggles_Manically]

Sarah1281 wrote...

soignee wrote...

My friend did a betch!ducan runthrough and said all those mean things. I was like NUUUUUU

I am both horrified and impressed because I know I could not do that. To me, this ranks up there with the 'be a man while I have you killed, Alistair' , 'bye Shianni, I have to go get my 40 sovereigns', and 'great seeing you, dad, no I'm not  dead and I'm sorry about this but I really need that stat bonus!'

I was setting out on my City Elf to be evil has hell but that one thing stopped me there. I mean she is on the ground and just cries "please I just want to go home!". At that point my city elf axed Vaughan and his three cronies all while laughing like a loon. I am sorry but to sell your cousin! That is flat out the worst thing in the game you can do period. Also I got a good 40 soverigns out of Vaughans hide, booyah. So my evil City Elf became an overly violent city elf.

[Sarah1281]

So I finally wrote a one-shot featuring Gorim and the DN and it wasn't even my DNF!  Instead, Gorim tries to break the news about the exile to a rather disinterested Reidin.

[Costin_Razvan]

Over 1000 words written in a mere 20 minutes, huh fight scene...



I am thinking I will only bother in this chapter to close Trian's expedition....assuming people agree to that.

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Over 1000 words written in a mere 20 minutes, huh fight scene...

I am thinking I will only bother in this chapter to close Trian's expedition....assuming people agree to that.

How long is the chapter? 

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
@Gilsa: I'm finally on a computer that makes your pictures show up and all I have to say is: shut up, Wynne.  I'm not even annoyed at Vartag threatening to kill her and I never miss the opportunity to get irritated with him.

Did anyone else feel the need to punch Wynne?

Oh, just saw this: there is a reason she's not allowed into Orzammar in my game.

[Costin_Razvan]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Over 1000 words written in a mere 20 minutes, huh fight scene...

I am thinking I will only bother in this chapter to close Trian's expedition....assuming people agree to that.

How long is the chapter? 

About 3.000 and a half words. Or so I think it will be by the end.

[Patriciachr34]

Okay all you prolific writers out there, I need some advice. I just started a new dwarf commoner play through (see new profile pic). She is a outwardly tough and streetwise. She only joined Beraht's gang to pay off Rica's debt and would have castrated him and left him for dead if she had the chance (which she does). She has lots of moxie, but has a soft spot for those in need. She'd give her last copper to ensure a starving man had a meal without a second thought. Would this character harden Alistair and make him king or protect him from a life he really doesn't want? I've got plenty of time to decide as I'm just working my way through the Kocari wilds right now.



My character would be torn by this because she resented the h..ll out of her mother for beating her to "toughen" her up. So, she would have a hard time doing to Alistair what her mother attempted to do to her. On the other, she is incredibly practical and would want this guy to stand up for himself. She would also feel a bit of a compulsion to protect his gentle spirit.



I would appreciate a little perspective on this one.

[Sarah1281]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

Okay all you prolific writers out there, I need some advice. I just started a new dwarf commoner play through (see new profile pic). She is a outwardly tough and streetwise. She only joined Beraht's gang to pay off Rica's debt and would have castrated him and left him for dead if she had the chance (which she does). She has lots of moxie, but has a soft spot for those in need. She'd give her last copper to ensure a starving man had a meal without a second thought. Would this character harden Alistair and make him king or protect him from a life he really doesn't want? I've got plenty of time to decide as I'm just working my way through the Kocari wilds right now.

My character would be torn by this because she resented the h..ll out of her mother for beating her to "toughen" her up. So, she would have a hard time doing to Alistair what her mother attempted to do to her. On the other, she is incredibly practical and would want this guy to stand up for himself. She would also feel a bit of a compulsion to protect his gentle spirit.

I would appreciate a little perspective on this one.

That depends: what does she think about Anora? If she reminds her of an Orzammar noble then she may not want her on the throne or if Anora betrays you at the Landsmeet. Still, if you do Goldanna before hearing that Anora is at Howe's estate then your character would believe that putting Alistair on the throne is your only option so hardening him is a necessity.

If he's King, then obviously he'll need to be hardened because even from the little those in Dust Town know about nobles these are not nice people and if Alistair is supposed to be one of then he'll need to be able to hold his own. Sure, she will probably be told that Ferelden politics is nicer but on the other hand Loghain had Eamon poisoned and later we find out all about what Howe does and hear Anora's tale that paints either her or her father in a very bad light depending on who she believes.

As a Duster who had to fight for everything she had and never ended up getting much she could very well see hardening him and not letting people walk all over him as completely necessary. Sure she hated what her mother did but does she feel it helped her to survive? And she wouldn't even be abusing Alistair, just failing to comfort him once when he's upset and convincing him to stand up for himself which doesn't actually lessen him any just increase his own confidence in his abilities and allows him to think more of himself. If it's the line itself that bothers you, ejoslin recently changed it to a less harsh line that makes more sense with the way he interprets it.

Then again, as a DC she may very well feel that everyone is out for themselves because growing up Rica was the only person she knew who wasn't and Leske has certainly screwed her over. Even if she makes friends with some of these people there are plenty of people she'll meet over the course of the game which can reinforce the idea that most people are.

[Verly]

My dusters are always friends with Mori and Zev (usually lovers with him too) sometimes they are friends with Ali and Leli, but it depends on their personality. they all like Sten and Shale. and usually think Wynn is an annoying old woman.

[Patriciachr34]

That was my initial take on things as well. Harden Alistair and have him take the throne. My only concern here is that she sees the whole caste system as a farce. She knows she's a capable warrior and proudly took her helmet off during the proving so people would know that very thing. So, from this perspective wouldn't making Alistair king be endorsing the caste system? I mean, if self determination is her primary motive, then she would want Alistair to determine who he is for himself and not let other people decide this for him?

[Costin_Razvan]

 Well, here it is. Chapter three.

War of Shadows - The torture of Command.

[Sarah1281]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

That was my initial take on things as well. Harden Alistair and have him take the throne. My only concern here is that she sees the whole caste system as a farce. She knows she's a capable warrior and proudly took her helmet off during the proving so people would know that very thing. So, from this perspective wouldn't making Alistair king be endorsing the caste system? I mean, if self determination is her primary motive, then she would want Alistair to determine who he is for himself and not let other people decide this for him?

Well if you have a hardened Alistair duel Loghain and don't betrothe him to Anora then he'll accept being King when Eamon says that that's what the Landsmeet has decided so that will be his choice and if you talk to a hardened Alistair about Anora then he doesn't think she's an option so he asks you to make him King.

Also, there isn't actually a caste system on the Surface but people don't always get to choose what they want to be. Even so, even if it's an unhardened Alistair that you have to put on the throne and who goes very reluctantly, he doesn't have to accept it but he chooses to do what his sense of duty tells him that he should.

[Patriciachr34]

Hmmm...I'll have to think about this. The more I look at it, the more making him king makes sense to me, especially if he is hardened. At least then he has the power he needs to make his own decisions.

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

 Well, here it is. Chapter three.

War of Shadows - The torture of Command.

So I'm not sure if you've answered this already but why is he so eager to kill Trian? He just thinks he's incompetent and will destroy Orzammar? So the expedition is at a close now (I honestly don't know how you manage to write so much fighting) and I'd imagine that Lord Helmi's sacrifice will have a profound effect on Duran? I'm really not sure that Trian's all that bad but I suppose we really don't see him in action and even though he has to be good at something (and awhile ago we theorized that it may very well be strategy given Endrin wants to run over the plans with him the night before) if he's so abrasive and not very personable then I guess it wouldn't really matter as people really wouldn't be interested in doing what he said. Too bad we didn't hear much about how he viewed Bhelen prior to this but since he wasn't there (I guess Endrin didn't want to risk all of his heirs) and he does his best to stay out of everyone's way then it wouldn't necessarily come up.

[Costin_Razvan]

The large reason as to why Duran wanted to kill Trian will be revealed in the next chapter.

The expedition is done, there will be a mention in the next chapter however. As for Lord Helmi's sacrifice, yes it will.

The battle has it's reasons for being there, namely character development. We see Duran assume leadership of what can rightly be considered a undermanned battalion, and we see him lead it through a insanely difficult battle in a brutal and efficient way. And the loss of 7/8 of the entire expedition while under his command will be something that marks him as a commander.

We also see him execute Lord Glorgen for refusing to stand and fight and instead opting to flee, despite the fact that fleeing would have assured their deaths. ( Orzammar is weeks away, and you can't outrun the darkspawn ).

I also show Trian as a commander who works well under the pressure of a pitched battle, despite the fact I consider him an incompetent idiot when it comes to Grand Strategy.

Lastly, the whole battle will play a MAJOR role in why Trian and Duran wanted each other dead.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 17 juin 2010 - 02:57 .