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[Costin_Razvan]

Hey, YOU gave me the original inspiration, so if anything I'm ripping off YOUR idea.

[RavenousBear]

Well, I am going to take a few moments to figure out who to side and what course of action to take.

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Hey, YOU gave me the original inspiration, so if anything I'm ripping off YOUR idea.

Ah, but you wrote it first. Although I suppose I did write a one-shot even before that where Loghain found out that the 'First Warden' assigned him to Amaranthine as Aunn had better things to do and Anora wanted to keep her father in the country.

[thegreateski]

I was under the impression that the "First Warden" was at whateverthefeckitscalled fortress and that he was the "boss" of all the Wardens.

[Sarah1281]

thegreateski wrote...

I was under the impression that the "First Warden" was at whateverthefeckitscalled fortress and that he was the "boss" of all the Wardens.

He is, technically, but he never leaves the Anderfels so I'm not convinced that he exists and Anora/Alistair can really appoint whoever they want to as the Arl/Arlessa of Amaranthine so if the 'First Warden' wants them to follow through on their promise to give it to the Wardens then he has to put up with whichever Warden they pick.

[thegreateski]

So it went kind of like this?



"Commander I am putting you in charge of the Grey Warden fort at Amaranthine. I trust that you'll do as asked?"

"Of course"



"Loghain, the First Warden wanted me to tell you that you're being put in charge of the Grey Warden garrison as the Arl of Amaranthine."

"What? Are you certain?

"yeah, sorry dude. I know it's going to be reallllllllly boring . . . you have my sympathies."

[Sarah1281]

thegreateski wrote...

So it went kind of like this?

"Commander I am putting you in charge of the Grey Warden fort at Amaranthine. I trust that you'll do as asked?"
"Of course"

"Loghain, the First Warden wanted me to tell you that you're being put in charge of the Grey Warden garrison as the Arl of Amaranthine."
"What? Are you certain?
"yeah, sorry dude. I know it's going to be reallllllllly boring . . . you have my sympathies."

Pretty much.

[Gilsa]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

I groove better with Oghren on a DC, but I like him just fine on the DN, too. It could just be me, but there seems to be an invisible wall between the DN and other dwarves, like some kind of barrier. Some kind of polite disdain if I had to put my finger on it. I just feel other dwarves respond better to my DC.

Do you mean they look down on you or it feels like you're looking down on them? It really is like you're from a completely different world but I guess you kind of are. The nobles are either on your side to oust Bhelen (or a few really mean it like Harrowmont and Helmi) but the rest look down on you for 'losing' and the non-nobles are just so far removed from you.

A little bit of both. I'm thinking mostly of outside of Orzammar. Dwyn and Sigrun for example. Dwyn acts like the DN has a silver spoon up the ass while the DC is on his level. Sigrun is like "hey, I heard about ya!" to the DN  while the she is like "OMG IT IS YOU MY HERO" to the DC. It could just be my interpretation of these events though. I plan on doing Awakening again with my DN and DC and know when to save so I can explore more dialogue trees from there.

[Sarah1281]

In Costin's fanfic it seems to be:
First Warden: Go be Arlessa of Amaranthine.
DC: Like hell, I'm going to go reclaim the Deep Roads.
FW: Don't make us come after you.
DC: Bring it. *Kills Wardens*
FW: I'm starting to suspect you may not want this job.
DC: Send Loghain.
FW: But he was supposed to spend the rest of his days in Orlais to be all ironic and stuff!
DC: *casually starts sharpening weapons*
FW: *nervously clears throat* After much deliberation, I have decided that Loghain is the best person for the job.

And in mine it's:
Anora: Since I'm handing over Amaranthine to the GWs you seem like the natural choice for the job.
DN: Maybe I would if I weren't going back home. Seriously, I'm good but I'm not good enough to rule an Arling from Orzammar.
A: Well what do you want me to do? If you don't do it and my darling husband has quit then I'm going to have to call in an Orlesian and think of the PR.
DN: Why can't your father do it? He's not a Teyrn anymore and really has nothing better to do with his time.
A: There's no way that he'll be able to stay out of things here and since he has no authority anymore it won't end well for him. The Wardens in Orlais keep hinting that they'd be glad to have him but...Orlais...
DN: He'd have been better off as dragon food.
A: The people wouldn't accept me making him Arl right now. Maybe once things have settled down more but he'll never be able to keep himself out of trouble for that long.
DN: Well what if the First Warden decreed Loghain is the new Arl?
A: *snort* You know as well as I do that there's no such thing as a First Warden.
DN: True. But do most people? 
A: *pause* You may be onto something there. But what about the Orlesian Wardens? They'll know and they won't be happy.
DN: Have the 'First Warden' order a dozen or so of them come to Amaranthine to help us rebuild so they'll still get a chance to annoy your father.
A: And if they don't like that plan then I can always restore Amaranthine to that Howe that had nothing to do with the civil war and hasn't even been in the country for years. Nathaniel, I think his name was.
DN: Sounds like a plan. Have fun with that. Orzammar, here I come! 

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

I groove better with Oghren on a DC, but I like him just fine on the DN, too. It could just be me, but there seems to be an invisible wall between the DN and other dwarves, like some kind of barrier. Some kind of polite disdain if I had to put my finger on it. I just feel other dwarves respond better to my DC.

Do you mean they look down on you or it feels like you're looking down on them? It really is like you're from a completely different world but I guess you kind of are. The nobles are either on your side to oust Bhelen (or a few really mean it like Harrowmont and Helmi) but the rest look down on you for 'losing' and the non-nobles are just so far removed from you.

A little bit of both. I'm thinking mostly of outside of Orzammar. Dwyn and Sigrun for example. Dwyn acts like the DN has a silver spoon up the ass while the DC is on his level. Sigrun is like "hey, I heard about ya!" to the DN  while the she is like "OMG IT IS YOU MY HERO" to the DC. It could just be my interpretation of these events though. I plan on doing Awakening again with my DN and DC and know when to save so I can explore more dialogue trees from there.

Yeah, it's kind of a 'OMG, royalty, what could they possibly know about real life and what am I supposed to say so that they don't kill me?' situation.

[Giggles_Manically]

Personally I dont understand why you are all so obsessed with Orzamar for your Dwarves I had a noble go back, but my last DC decided to go off and see the world instead of living in a cave for the rest of his life.

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Personally I dont understand why you are all so obsessed with Orzammar for your Dwarves I had a noble go back, but my last DC decided to go off and see the world instead of living in a cave for the rest of his life.

Well if you're trying to be a good Warden then the Deep Roads is probably a lot more practical then sitting pretty in Amaranthine and I'm a lot more...invested in my DN than my DC so while she doesn't really care to go back my DN wants to get her life back because it was really nice before Trian died and she got exiled.

Edit: Plus 'seeing the world' and travelling for the sake of travelling has never really appealed to me so my characters aren't interested either.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 25 juin 2010 - 02:56 .

[Giggles_Manically]

The DN is not my all time favourite Origin, Bhelen and Trian when you ran across them sorta screamed "TREACHARY" to me. Interesting but lacked the drama others like HN or CE had.

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

The DN is not my all time favourite Origin, Bhelen and Trian when you ran across them sorta screamed "TREACHARY" to me. Interesting but lacked the drama others like HN or CE had.

Well I clearly disagree that it lacked drama. The fact that you sensed treachery from both of them meant that you didn't know which one was going to try to kill you, if they were going to try to kill you, whether both of them were trying to kill you...

I find the HN kind of cliche personally whereas I know that that's one of the ones that you prefer.

Edit: Seriously, nice happy family? Tim Curry? His guards just 'making sure' that they know who you are while acting ridiculously suspicious? I found them all dying to be really predictable.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 25 juin 2010 - 03:02 .

[Giggles_Manically]

While the Dwarf Noble is very personal and revenge oriented (which I liked) it realy didnt hit me very hard. In the Human Noble one though you run through your family home being burned down and watching all your friends being murdered. While the City Elf one was very dark and racially charged, plus the Dwarf Noble dosent go on a murder spree through an enitre fort.



While it has its good points I felt that the DN was all about siblings squablling for power it really lacked the extra details that added to the other origins

[RavenousBear]

Killing giant rats in the kitchen or winning your own Proving? Hard choice indeed.

[Giggles_Manically]

Losing one brother or losing an entire extended family in one night? Hard Choice indeed.

[Giggles_Manically]

Also thanks Sarah for telling me how to avoid the pit in Oghern's dialouge during the Anvil of the Void, actually got Oghern to full 100 percent approval.

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

While the Dwarf Noble is very personal and revenge oriented (which I liked) it realy didnt hit me very hard. In the Human Noble one though you run through your family home being burned down and watching all your friends being murdered. While the City Elf one was very dark and racially charged, plus the Dwarf Noble dosent go on a murder spree through an enitre fort.

While it has its good points I felt that the DN was all about siblings squablling for power it really lacked the extra details that added to the other origins

One thing that the DN origin had that none of the others did was the literal 'you can't go back' until the end. This may not mean much to you as you don't seem to like Orzammar but while the HN had Highever taken the nobles were all talking about taking it back from Howe once the Blight was over with and if you just killed him you could probably reclaim it plus you weren't kicked out of Ferelden. The City Elf was welcome back in the Alienage at any time although they needed to be careful that the guards didn't identify them as the trouble-maker. The Dalish Elf was also welcome by their clan but had to leave to save them from the taint. Greagoir isn't happy to see the mage but he's going to put up with your presence and you're hardly banned from the Circle. Even the Dwarf Commoner isn't outright exiled since it was just a Proving and she was a casteless who didn't exist legally enough to be exiled. The Dwarf Noble, however, was banned from their home. Because of the treaty they were allowed to go in this one time but that's it. If they hadn't been given leave to return they never would have been able to even visit their world every again and so they literally lose everyone. Sure Gorim is in Denerim but everyone aside from that is dead or you'll never see again because they still live in Orzammar. The HN lost a lot, too, but they at least still have Ferelden.

[Giggles_Manically]

MY Dwarf Noble got over the being exiled, and after taking Bhelen down he moved on. Little Trian can be the next king if he wants (what I named my son).

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Also thanks Sarah for telling me how to avoid the pit in Oghern's dialouge during the Anvil of the Void, actually got Oghern to full 100 percent approval.

No problem.

Also, unlike in the HN origin where your father begs Duncan to save you, in the DN origin your father allows you to be killed (just because you don't die doesn't mean that it wasn't the intention) to avoid a scandal even though he thinks you're innocent...and then he changes his mind and creates a scandal anyway! And he dies while you're gone so your last memory of him is him ordering you dragged through the city in chains...

[RavenousBear]

True, however it is hard for me to get attached to npcs in any game really. I will not disagree that the 2nd act of the HN origin is great, however the first part bore me to death to be honest. Plus most of the inhabitants seemed too happy for it to be realistic in my opinion. It made the 2nd part easier to for see.

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

MY Dwarf Noble got over the being exiled, and after taking Bhelen down he moved on. Little Trian can be the next king if he wants (what I named my son).

 I think that's because you don't really feel as strongly connected to Orzamamr as someone who grew up adored there probably would have. Plus my DN eventually decides that the Surface is 'okay' and 'visitable' but not really somewhere she'd want to live.

[Giggles_Manically]

To quote Oghern:



There's just so much air, no one knows who you are its great!



The ale up here is not half bad either, Orzamar ale tastes like dirt, probably because the put dirt in it.



Although listening to the criers, and gossip Bhelen is definently the better king, since the Caste system is stupid and has so many problems. My second DN worked with Bhelen after seeing what a society should be based around, not the whole castless dont exist shctick. Sten is actually very persuasive when discussing the Qun and peoples places.

[Sarah1281]

Caak7i wrote...
True, however it is hard for me to get attached to npcs in any game really. I will not disagree that the 2nd act of the HN origin is great, however the first part bore me to death to be honest. Plus most of the inhabitants seemed too happy for it to be realistic in my opinion. It made the 2nd part easier to for see.

I've never really had a problem RP as long as I put the effort into it. Maybe it's because of all the fanfics I write? Or maybe that's why I write them. If my character needs to feel a certain way about a character then that's how I'm going to tend to think of them so when good/bad things happen to them I can respond accordingly.

Giggles_Manically wrote...

To quote Oghern:

There's just so much air, no one knows who you are its great!

The ale up here is not half bad either, Orzamar ale tastes like dirt, probably because the put dirt in it.

Although listening to the criers, and gossip Bhelen is definently the better king, since the Caste system is stupid and has so many problems. My second DN worked with Bhelen after seeing what a society should be based around, not the whole castless dont exist shctick. Sten is actually very persuasive when discussing the Qun and peoples places.

Well my DN isn't much of a drinker (Orzammar ale fails but the nobles all import so it's not like that's a problem) because alcohol lowers your inhibitions and that's dangerous. Oghren just wants to be anonymous because he's a laughingstock. If you're a prince/princess Paragon then why would you want to be anonymous? And as the Hero of Ferelden that's naive of you anyway.

It looks like Bhelen will be a better King though we don't know if his reforms will last and since Harrowmont dies so quickly what's important is his successor (which if you're a DN could very well be you). We really won't know until DA2 but they'll probably not make it too different by either repealing some of Bhelen's reforms or having Harrowmont have a more progressive successor.