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[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
We know he was looking into the precedent for dissolving the Assembly before Endrin even died so he was probably just looking for an excuse and the assassinations gave him one. 

How so? I never got that impression.

I hadn't either until a few days ago when I decided to ask the Shaper some questions that only appear when you tattle on Vartag and I found this:
PC: Can you tell me anything about Prince Bhelen?

Shaper: The prince consulted me before his father died. He wanted to know about King Bemot, the last King to rule during a Blight. (VO: emotionless) I told him Bemot made many changes during his rule. The Assembly was even disbanded for a two-year period. (VO: emotionless) Bemot declared that, in times of war, the Warrior Caste answered directly to the King and all voting was suspended. Bhelen seemed quite interested. (VO: carefully non-judgemental but a little worried)

You can also ask about these:
PC: Is it true you're related to Harrowmont?

Shaper: He is a kinsman, yes. If you count to the sixth degree of remove, I'm related to every noble lineage still represented in Orzammar. (VO: explaining something boring) I can even trace my descent directly to House Zygmunt, which lost its thaig to the darkspawn thirteen generations ago (VO: a dull recitation).

PC: Do you get to vote on the next King?

Shaper: The Shaperate do not vote. We simply record history as it happens. (VO: flat)

PC: But you have a preference for King?

Shaper: I cannot speak my opinions. History can be changed with a careless word (VO: careful, not answering)
PC: What do you know about Vartag Gavorn?

Shaper: The Gavorn family is a minor one, founded when a daughter of the Forender House married down to a Warrior Caste man (VO: Explaining something boring) Her brother died, leaving her father heirless, so the Assembly granted him a new family name and allowed him to adopt his daughter's children as heirs (VO: Explaining something boring) Vartag Gavorn is on record asking the Assembly to bar Harrowmont from King Endrin's sickroom. He is a vocal supporter of Prince Bhelen (VO: carefully non-judgemental)

You also don't have to tell on Vartag. You can just answer "it's not important"  then change the subject on the next choice.

Edit: Top of the page...enjoying TMP's dwarf scenes! Yay no more Miracle Grow!


:happy:

Modifié par Lady Jess, 29 juin 2010 - 06:01 .

[Cypher0020]

Ok what's the timeline when you leave your origin? For instance my DC just got to Ostagar... what's the time flow when you finally return to Orzzamar/Denerim to face the Archdemon?



a few weeks? a few days?

[Lady Jess]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ok what's the timeline when you leave your origin? For instance my DC just got to Ostagar... what's the time flow when you finally return to Orzzamar/Denerim to face the Archdemon?

a few weeks? a few days?

To the final battle? over a year. The only origin that really gives a timeline is mage. Wynne tells you it's been a year since you left.

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Gilsa.
I forgot to ask, what is your Dwarven chancellor planing to do with her new House, if it's created?
I ask, because your dwarves are one of the few I actually care about (and I find them extremily good looking and classy too. Love your avatar ).

[Cypher0020]

O_O



slightly over a year? Wow. Hmmm. I just have this thing with knowing timelines...



when does Wynne say its been a year?

[Raonar]

Actually, if you're a DN and find Gorim in Denerim, he also tels you it's been about a year.

And when you go to Orzammar Provings, that proving fan what's his name will say "Better believe I saw your proving last year" if you fought in it.

So yeah, it's a year. There are no horses in Ferelden so it took a lot of time to get to Ostagar and back and who knows how long it took you to get out of the wilds.

Modifié par Raonar, 29 juin 2010 - 06:21 .

[Cypher0020]

oh yeah....walking everywhere probably took a lot longer...



why not a cutscene with a boat? ' it'd make sense....travel wise

[Lady Jess]

Cypher0020 wrote...

oh yeah....walking everywhere probably took a lot longer...

why not a cutscene with a boat? ' it'd make sense....travel wise

Boats cost gold and you have none?

[Herr Uhl]

Cypher0020 wrote...

oh yeah....walking everywhere probably took a lot longer...

why not a cutscene with a boat? ' it'd make sense....travel wise

There is one time you use a boat, to go to the tower. Otherwise it's that you're outlawed and all that jazz.

[Cypher0020]

Ok....so we're outlawed and too poor to hitch a ride.....that just sucks lol

[Sarah1281]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ok what's the timeline when you leave your origin? For instance my DC just got to Ostagar... what's the time flow when you finally return to Orzzamar/Denerim to face the Archdemon?

a few weeks? a few days?

Well, in the DC origin which takes place either a day or a week before the DN origin (love the consistency), Rica has recently met Bhelen but isn't sure if he's going to take her on as a noble hunter until right before you leave. When you come back she has a son that was born shortly before King Endrin died three weeks prior. So yeah, about a year.

You also don't have to tell on Vartag. You can just answer "it's not important"  then change the subject on the next choice.

But why bother authenticating them if you're not going to tell on Vartag? If you don't care they are fake and don't want to get Vartag in trouble just don't talk to the Shaper about it. Plus, I can't really fathom not wanting to screw Vartag over.

[Gilsa]

This is for soignee -- originally posted in Alistair thread, but moved it here instead so we'd have some breathing room:

soignee wrote...

Zevran/Missa Brosca OTP imo.

I also
love the Zev/Oghren banter, seems a lot more equal then Zev just strutting around and deflecting people. Just... argh, cannot explain well in like a sentence, but it's just perfect for me, so intense and fun to write too. Even if your duster is an emotionally stunted idiot like Missa, it works.

Exactly. I liked the Zev + Oghren combo in the past, but as a romantic interest, it makes it that much easier  to really respond to Zev. Just another one of the guys.

Be interested in your duster's decisions so far, to see if they overlap with mine, lulz.

I am in Redcliffe castle right now (need to do urn after this before I can do Landsmeet), but so far, this is my Brosca:
-DW warrior. Started out as a hired thug with zero social skills. (Basically the brute with Leske as the
wisecracker.)
- Duncan offered the better deal so he was her new boss since Beraht was dead. No conscription/hesitation here.
- Alistair became Leske 2.0 -- her partner in crime (well, partner in GW-business). After Ostagar, she was alone on the surface, not knowing east from west, so she relied on Alistair a lot more, especially for cues on properly socializing with surfacers.
- Sided with Bhelen to make sure Rica was provided for.
- Went after Jarvia to make sure Leske would be OK, too. Stunned that Leske didn't switch loyalties from Jarvia
to her at the confrontation. His words about the way she left him behind really stuck with her. After he died, Brosca then became suspicious of Zevran and asked him why he was an assassin. Not a great reply, but not bad either.
- I RPed them as staying the night in the diamond quarter as was customary for Grey Wardens and Brosca then had a chat with Alistair about him wanting to bury Duncan. She went back into shop's hidden tunnel and wrapped Leske's body in tapistery she found in another room. She lowered him into one of the stone pits where his body
wouldn't be easily seen or removed.
- Sided with Cairdin because her sidekick Alistair's counterargument to Zevran about the anvil made her
consider the possibility of casteless toiling for eternity at the hands of nobles with no room for physical pleasures or lives of their own.
- Because of her no-persuade skill, she couldn't get Ruck to talk with her and he lunged at the group and died. So when she returned to Ruck's mom, she saw a mother who loved and worried about her son. That was something she didn't have with her own mam so she lied and said that Ruck died a hero so Ruck would have a mom that thought the best of him.
- At the circle, I wanted to see what was going on upstairs before I made a decsion. Cullen was being a dimwit otherwise. Game mechanic treated this as siding with the circle. So that's how it played out. Simple.
- Made a deal with Sophia, but I failed every single persuade/intimidate check with her so I had exactly nothing to gain from helping her out. Wasn't hard to assist Avernus instead plus I could see he had knowledge that would help out the Grey Wardens. Plus there was the added bonus of a humorous cutscene with Avernus and Oghren. Told Avernus to expermient away, I wanted to know about results, bye.
- Sided with Zatharin because werewolves didn't want to turn on the elves and they weren't exactly offering to help with the treaty. Brosca needed Zath's cooperation so she just finished the job she signed on for and brought back Witherfang's heart. (If game mechanics had allowed me to kill Zath, I would have done so since he didn't want to fulfill the treaty, but that only happens if I bring him back to talk with the Lady first, which I didn't do.)

Future actions (not set in stone, still playing it by ear):
- May kill either Isolde or Conner. Oh, man, gonna fail my Alistair persuades. That'll be interesting.
- Most likely going to put Alistair on the throne because of what Leske said about her leaving them behind. She gave Rica better opportunities by putting her boyfriend on the throne. In her mind, putting Alistair on the throne would mean he has a better life and not end up in a gutter like Leske, right? Right?
- I don't know if Loghain lives or not.
-I don't know if she does the dark ritual.

Modifié par Gilsa, 29 juin 2010 - 07:09 .

[Gilsa]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Gilsa.
I forgot to ask, what is your Dwarven chancellor planing to do with her new House, if it's created?
I ask, because your dwarves are one of the few I actually care about (and I find them extremily good looking and classy too. Love your avatar ).

Haha, thanks!

I was under the impression that making a new house was optional, but I am more likely to let it be created as not to step on Bhelen's toes. Gorim would be my right hand man because of his exceptional loyalty to me. He could have easily turned on me at any time in the origin, could have been one of those "gotcha, I was working for Bhelen all along!" characters so I'd trust him to give me the best assessment of what's going on in Orzammar when I visit. I'm under the impression that he's risen up to my rank so he's not really a warrior caste anymore when he returns. He should be a noble since he is under my house now, no?

Edit: If Bhelen dissolves the assembly, then will the noble houses even matter anymore?

Modifié par Gilsa, 29 juin 2010 - 07:19 .

[Sarah1281]

- I don't know if Loghain lives or not.

Can you get Alistair on the throne with Loghain alive if you have zero persuade skills? You'll need to convince Alistair and Anora to marry which I'm not sure is possible without persuade or cunning if you do it beforehand so you'd probably need it during the Landsmeet as well if you haven't convinced them.

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ok what's the timeline when you leave your origin? For instance my DC just got to Ostagar... what's the time flow when you finally return to Orzzamar/Denerim to face the Archdemon?

a few weeks? a few days?

Well, in the DC origin which takes place either a day or a week before the DN origin (love the consistency), Rica has recently met Bhelen but isn't sure if he's going to take her on as a noble hunter until right before you leave. When you come back she has a son that was born shortly before King Endrin died three weeks prior. So yeah, about a year.

You also don't have to tell on Vartag. You can just answer "it's not important"  then change the subject on the next choice.

But why bother authenticating them if you're not going to tell on Vartag? If you don't care they are fake and don't want to get Vartag in trouble just don't talk to the Shaper about it. Plus, I can't really fathom not wanting to screw Vartag over.

At the time I was on Bhelen's side of the king debate. Why would I rat out the guy who's trust I had to gain to get a face to face with Bhelen? Yet it's still good information to have in your pocket...since you don't know yet that Bhelen's going to commit suicide by warden.

[Cypher0020]

@Sarah



Does Behlen marry Rica or keep her as cocubine regardless? I know how the kid inherits w/e caste the dad is.....so would she qualify for marriage?



Also... if the DC is made warrior- eventual paragon... that means the DC is founder of House Brosca? Or just merges into House Aeducan?

[Sarah1281]

Lady Jess wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ok what's the timeline when you leave your origin? For instance my DC just got to Ostagar... what's the time flow when you finally return to Orzzamar/Denerim to face the Archdemon?

a few weeks? a few days?

Well, in the DC origin which takes place either a day or a week before the DN origin (love the consistency), Rica has recently met Bhelen but isn't sure if he's going to take her on as a noble hunter until right before you leave. When you come back she has a son that was born shortly before King Endrin died three weeks prior. So yeah, about a year.

You also don't have to tell on Vartag. You can just answer "it's not important"  then change the subject on the next choice.

But why bother authenticating them if you're not going to tell on Vartag? If you don't care they are fake and don't want to get Vartag in trouble just don't talk to the Shaper about it. Plus, I can't really fathom not wanting to screw Vartag over.

At the time I was on Bhelen's side of the king debate. Why would I rat out the guy who's trust I had to gain to get a face to face with Bhelen? Yet it's still good information to have in your pocket...since you don't know yet that Bhelen's going to commit suicide by warden.

Because he's Vartag. That's really reason enough for me since he's my most-hated NPC.

Besides, Bhelen's sure to forgive me if I made him King and if he's dead then it really doesn't matter what he thinks about it.

[Sarah1281]

Cypher0020 wrote...

@Sarah

Does Behlen marry Rica or keep her as cocubine regardless? I know how the kid inherits w/e caste the dad is.....so would she qualify for marriage?

Also... if the DC is made warrior- eventual paragon... that means the DC is founder of House Brosca? Or just merges into House Aeducan?

They don't explicitly state whether he marries her. I think it is highly unlikely given she has no caste, he has enough problems, and she'll stick around regardless. OTOH, both criers talk about Bhelen's upcoming marriage to a casteless. Although if you're playing a DC then whenever you mention Rica as his wife Rica insists she's just a concubine. But Bhelen calls her his wife if you ask if Endrin will become King...maybe Bhelen plans to marry her but never thought to mention it to her?  

If you're a DC then she'd be a noble and it could be done, I think.

The DC would found their own House as being nobles in their own right is better than being casteless add-ons and Rica might actually get to spend more time with her son now that she's no longer 'tainted' by her castelessness. Although I think they could choose if they wanted to have House Brosca or House DC.

[Lady Jess]

What the...I'm in redcliffe castle discussing Conner. And suddenly my DWARF knows about the fade, and connections with demons and that we need Lyrium and mages to enter. WTF? When did she learn this I wonder, considering she can't even USE Lyrium.

[soignee]

Gilsa wrote...

I am in Redcliffe castle right now (need to do urn after this before I can do Landsmeet), but so far, this is my Brosca:
-DW warrior. Started out as a hired thug with zero social skills. (Basically the brute with Leske as the
wisecracker.)

Missa was the ringleader, always. She told him what to do and planned all the murderknifing, he just showed up and did what he was told. Missa is a leather wearing thug quick with daggers, depends on speed and cunning to get her through fights.

Can be quite tactical in her thinking when her temper doesn't get the better of her. I want the story to progress to show she's a capable general and that she can lead armies and be taken seriously; it's showing a little with what I've written now, but it's hard in writing to put across what the game takes for granted, like your character can fight, know tactics and just have NPCs do your bidding.

- Duncan offered the better deal so he was her new boss since Beraht was dead. No conscription/hesitation here.

That or death, pretty much nyep.

- Alistair became Leske 2.0 -- her partner in crime (well, partner in GW-business). After Ostagar, she was alone on the surface, not knowing east from west, so she relied on Alistair a lot more, especially for cues on
peorperly socializing with surfacers.

Ditto, actually. But Missa isn't as socially inept as your duster, she took to leading well, albeit pragmatically and brusquely. Alistair is Salroka, and oh man is she dragging him by the ears. MAN THE **** UP ALISTAIR is sort the underlining motto of their friendship.

- Sided with Bhelen to make sure Rica was provided for.

This and Missa thought that politically Bhelen was a smart move.

- Went after Jarvia to make sure Leske would be OK, too. Stunned that Leske didn't switch loyalties from Jarvia to her at the confrontation. His words about the way she left him behind really stuck with her. After he died, Brosca then became suspicious of Zevran and asked him why he was an assassin. Not a great reply, but not bad either.

Missa knew the betrayal was coming, and she prepared for it. She couldn't bring herself to kill him, though. After this Zev and Missa had the Rina conversation.  Previously Zevran observed to her how Dust Town= a crab bucket and that it was holding her back.

I RPed them as staying the night in the diamond quarter as was customary for Grey Wardens and Brosca then had a chat with Alistair about him wanting to bury Duncan. She went back into shop's hidden tunnel and wrapped Leske's body in tapistery she found in another room. She lowered him into one of the stone pits where his body

I did this also. Leske deserved some respect.

- At the circle, I wanted to see what was going on upstairs before I made a decision. Cullen was being a dimwit otherwise. Game mechanic treated this as siding with the circle. So that's how it played out. Simple.

Sided with the mages too, because she viewed them as the more effective weapons against the Blight.

Sided with Zatharin because werewolves didn't want to turn on the elves and they weren't exactly offering to help with the treaty. Brosca needed Zath's cooperation so she just finished the job she signed on for and brought back Witherfang's heart. (If game mechanics had allowed me to kill Zath, I would have done so since he didn't want to fulfill the treaty, but that only happens if I bring him back to talk with the Lady first, which I didn't do.)

I broke the curse, though didn't go into direct detail of it in the story. I actually botched the first 7 chapters, hate them now.

- May kill either Isolde or Conner. Oh, man, gonna fail my Alistair persuades. That'll be interesting.

I killed Isolde and released whiney mage guy in the story, whose name I can't think of now for someeeee reason. Missa likes giving people second chances, it's kind of a big deal to her.

Haven't commented on the decisions I haven't written about yet, because I know people read the story here!

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Because he's Vartag. That's really reason enough for me since he's my most-hated NPC.

Besides, Bhelen's sure to forgive me if I made him King and if he's dead then it really doesn't matter what he thinks about it.

I found it more amusing that I got to kill him.

[Sarah1281]

Lady Jess wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Because he's Vartag. That's really reason enough for me since he's my most-hated NPC.

Besides, Bhelen's sure to forgive me if I made him King and if he's dead then it really doesn't matter what he thinks about it.

I found it more amusing that I got to kill him.

You can do both.

If you side with Bhelen, you can only screw him over politically, though, and perhaps legally. Has your dwarf been to the tower? If not then I guess Morrigan, Alistair, or Wynne told you about it at some point.

@soignee: Jowan!

[Cypher0020]

-headexplodes-



dwarf politics in-game confuse me..... I like my HN origin- kill howe asap.... done get back highever castle

[Lady Jess]

soignee wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

I am in Redcliffe castle right now (need to do urn after this before I can do Landsmeet), but so far, this is my Brosca:
-DW warrior. Started out as a hired thug with zero social skills. (Basically the brute with Leske as the
wisecracker.)

Missa was the ringleader, always. She told him what to do and planned all the murderknifing, he just showed up and did what he was told. Missa is a leather wearing thug quick with daggers, depends on speed and cunning to get her through fights.

Can be quite tactical in her thinking when her temper doesn't get the better of her. I want the story to progress to show she's a capable general and that she can lead armies and be taken seriously; it's showing a little with what I've written now, but it's hard in writing to put across what the game takes for granted, like your character can fight, know tactics and just have NPCs do your bidding.

- Duncan offered the better deal so he was her new boss since Beraht was dead. No conscription/hesitation here.

That or death, pretty much nyep.

- Alistair became Leske 2.0 -- her partner in crime (well, partner in GW-business). After Ostagar, she was alone on the surface, not knowing east from west, so she relied on Alistair a lot more, especially for cues on
peorperly socializing with surfacers.

Ditto, actually. But Missa isn't as socially inept as your duster, she took to leading well, albeit pragmatically and brusquely. Alistair is Salroka, and oh man is she dragging him by the ears. MAN THE **** UP ALISTAIR is sort the underlining motto of their friendship.

- Sided with Bhelen to make sure Rica was provided for.

This and Missa thought that politically Bhelen was a smart move.

- Went after Jarvia to make sure Leske would be OK, too. Stunned that Leske didn't switch loyalties from Jarvia to her at the confrontation. His words about the way she left him behind really stuck with her. After he died, Brosca then became suspicious of Zevran and asked him why he was an assassin. Not a great reply, but not bad either.

Missa knew the betrayal was coming, and she prepared for it. She couldn't bring herself to kill him, though. After this Zev and Missa had the Rina conversation.  Previously Zevran observed to her how Dust Town= a crab bucket and that it was holding her back.

I RPed them as staying the night in the diamond quarter as was customary for Grey Wardens and Brosca then had a chat with Alistair about him wanting to bury Duncan. She went back into shop's hidden tunnel and wrapped Leske's body in tapistery she found in another room. She lowered him into one of the stone pits where his body

I did this also. Leske deserved some respect.

- At the circle, I wanted to see what was going on upstairs before I made a decision. Cullen was being a dimwit otherwise. Game mechanic treated this as siding with the circle. So that's how it played out. Simple.

Sided with the mages too, because she viewed them as the more effective weapons against the Blight.

Sided with Zatharin because werewolves didn't want to turn on the elves and they weren't exactly offering to help with the treaty. Brosca needed Zath's cooperation so she just finished the job she signed on for and brought back Witherfang's heart. (If game mechanics had allowed me to kill Zath, I would have done so since he didn't want to fulfill the treaty, but that only happens if I bring him back to talk with the Lady first, which I didn't do.)

I broke the curse, though didn't go into direct detail of it in the story. I actually botched the first 7 chapters, hate them now.

- May kill either Isolde or Conner. Oh, man, gonna fail my Alistair persuades. That'll be interesting.

I killed Isolde and released whiney mage guy in the story, whose name I can't think of now for someeeee reason. Missa likes giving people second chances, it's kind of a big deal to her.

Haven't commented on the decisions I haven't written about yet, because I know people read the story here!

Ya'll are making me think about Tryna...dammit I have to finish DN before I start DC!! i haven't gotten DC worked out yet except that she's a rogue, but not of the stealthy variety. Smart, fast, strong, ...really wondering why she's a rogue..she could be a thieving, poisoning, smart warrior actually...

[Eudaemonium]

Sarah1281 wrote...

They don't explicitly state whether he marries her. I think it is highly unlikely given she has no caste, he has enough problems, and she'll stick around regardless. OTOH, both criers talk about Bhelen's upcoming marriage to a casteless. Although if you're playing a DC then whenever you mention Rica as his wife Rica insists she's just a concubine. But Bhelen calls her his wife if you ask if Endrin will become King...maybe Bhelen plans to marry her but never thought to mention it to her?  

LOL. See, Rica being Rica, it wouldn't surprise me if Bhelen had said he'd marry her, the whole of Orzammar knew it, and heck, they'd already had the wedding, she'd probably still just tell people she was a concubine. She just seems like the character who's unassuming and very unsure of herself, probably as a result of her castelessness or at least magnified by it. She likely wouldn't declare herself to be the wife of a Prince/King because she didn't want to appear like she was getting above her station, which no matter the changes to Orzammar's structure, in her mind will always be very low. That's how I read her, but I've only played 1 DC (sadly, I tend to be an elf-player mainly).