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[Sarah1281]

So I finally finished Chapter Fourteen just in time for the story traffic to start up again! Coincidence? Probably.

It's weird. I only got 800 words done on the first day, 500 on the second, 1000 on the third...and nearly 6000 today.

[Gilsa]

Lost 21 approval with Alistair for Isolde, despite failing the persuade check. I didn't antagonize him -- just reacted to him as if he were Leske. (Whoah, sorry, salroka.) And I, of course, failed to get a private tutoring session with Isabela so we had to do the card game and the madam insisted on charging me 40 silvers for a room.

[Corker]

...I wonder if that points to some ancient human/dwarf... something? (Since Old English is a Germanic language and all...)

ETA: *points to tmp's Gaider quote on naming conventions*

Modifié par Corker, 01 juillet 2010 - 12:48 .

[Sarah1281]

I think it's probably just a coincidence and they needed a distinctive naming scheme.

[Herr Uhl]

Corker wrote...

...I wonder if that points to some ancient human/dwarf... something? (Since Old English is a Germanic language and all...)

ETA: *points to tmp's Gaider quote on naming conventions*

Probably not. The humans probably came by sea (or so I assume). The dwarves just sort of appeared where they are now.

[Jestina]

Viking names work well with Dwarves. Dwarves do come from Norse mythology...dvergar. Elves do as well....they resided in Alfheim.

[Herr Uhl]

Jestina wrote...

Viking names work well with Dwarves. Dwarves do come from Norse mythology...dvergar. Elves do as well....they resided in Alfheim.

No, it is an ä not an e. Dverg just feels wrong.

And wasn't it Alvheim, from alv? Or maybe they changed the spelling from "ye olde language" (cause Alfheim makes me think of a specific Alien).

Or it is those friggin Danes that spell it like that. *shakes fist in the general direction of Denmark*

[Corker]

The Viking Answer Lady on Viking names.  Just because the Viking Answer Lady rocks and the article gives ways to construct names.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Raonar wrote...
Well, you did get him exiled, so at least he made the best of it. Though I admit, what he did still sucked. Still, since I'm a guy and, thus, a DN male, this doen't apply to me at all. We're still the best of buddies

Unless your relationship with him is a la Sherlock Holmes / Watson, where you fear that a wife will take your best friend away from you, so you try your best to destroy the marriage.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 01 juillet 2010 - 06:52 .

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Raonar wrote...
Well, you did get him exiled, so at least he made the best of it. Though I admit, what he did still sucked. Still, since I'm a guy and, thus, a DN male, this doen't apply to me at all. We're still the best of buddies

Unless your relationship with him is a la Sherlock Holmes / Watson, where you fear that a wife will take your best friend away from you, so you try your best to destroy the marriage.

Do you really want to go there? 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yea, let's rather not.

[Sarah1281]

Seriously, FIND a more blatant example.

[soignee]

chapter 22 is being a **** to write. Again.

John Dalberg-Acton said...

I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men with a favourable presumption that they did no wrong. If there is any presumption, it is the other way, against the holders of power, increasing as the power increases.

Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or certainty of corruption by full authority. There is no worse heresy than the fact that the office sanctifies the holder of it.

I thought of Bhelen when I read this, not gonna lie.

Modifié par soignee, 01 juillet 2010 - 10:37 .

[Herr Uhl]

soignee wrote...

chapter 22 is being a **** to write. Again.

John Dalberg-Acton said...

I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men with a favourable presumption that they did no wrong. If there is any presumption, it is the other way, against the holders of power, increasing as the power increases.

Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or certainty of corruption by full authority. There is no worse heresy than the fact that the office sanctifies the holder of it.

I thought of Bhelen when I read this, not gonna lie.

Well, that had more to do with the divine right, no? Sure, Bhelen was chosen by the ancestors but he isn't considered infallible.

I don't think that the (dwarf) king is completely above the law,

[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...


Well, that had more to do with the divine right, no? Sure, Bhelen was chosen by the ancestors but he isn't considered infallible.

I don't think that the (dwarf) king is completely above the law,

It's a one quote fits all about power and corruption, but yeah the original source was Acton's observation about the mess of the immaculate conception the current pope had created... It wasn't even vitriolic, just a little nod at what 'those that they' were doing.

I'm just researching power and such, and how humanity reacts to it, thought it was an interesting quote!

*hooks Herr Uhl up to a Miligram device and gives him a button to push*

[Herr Uhl]

What is a Miligram device?

[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

What is a Miligram device?

in the 60s around the time of the n*zi trials, Miligram did a series of experiments to see how far people would go to kill/murder if an authority told them to.

He got all walks of life in and did this experiment. You were given a button to push with different voltage. An actor -they didn't know it was one- was on the other side of a pane of glass, and the button pushers were ordered in a controlled, measured (ie authortarian) enviroment to keep on upping the voltage. It was high enough to kill a person, up to 500 volts I think? It was done in stages, and the button pushers were always told, "are you sure you want to continue?"

The results were sad. A lot of people kept on pushing that button because someone in a uniform told them to.

*eta* lol really, that was asterisked? LOL.

Modifié par soignee, 01 juillet 2010 - 12:08 .

[Herr Uhl]

Which is why the best way to scam someone is with an uniform.



What motivation did they have to do it, other than for the lulz?

[Corker]

And then the French turned it into a game show. 

[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Which is why the best way to scam someone is with an uniform.

What motivation did they have to do it, other than for the lulz?

To try and shed some light on how far a normal, rational human being would go under pressure from an authority. It was around the time of the trials, so I'm not sure if his work was used as evidence in courts, I doubt it very much.

In other words: FOR TEH LULZ

[Herr Uhl]

soignee wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Which is why the best way to scam someone is with an uniform.

What motivation did they have to do it, other than for the lulz?

To try and shed some light on how far a normal, rational human being would go under pressure from an authority. It was around the time of the trials, so I'm not sure if his work was used as evidence in courts, I doubt it very much.

In other words: FOR TEH LULZ

I mean the guys zapping. They can't just have taken them off the street and said: Zap this person with electricity.

[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

soignee wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Which is why the best way to scam someone is with an uniform.

What motivation did they have to do it, other than for the lulz?

To try and shed some light on how far a normal, rational human being would go under pressure from an authority. It was around the time of the trials, so I'm not sure if his work was used as evidence in courts, I doubt it very much.

In other words: FOR TEH LULZ

I mean the guys zapping. They can't just have taken them off the street and said: Zap this person with electricity.

Ah I got you!

As I understannnnd the set up, they were told it was a science experiment and bribed with money. The actor (the "victim") and the joe off the street were shuffled cards so it looked like chance dictated their role, but clearly did not. Ack now I need to google-fu as I've forgotten the actual experiment set up, only that the voltage was done in stages and it was under pretense of a memory/pop quiz test.

Ah ha! A nice, handy dandy youtube video explains, got 5 min of your life spare?

[Herr Uhl]

If I heard someone screaming "let me out of here" that was a volunteer, I certainly hope I'd stop it.



I thought if it was something like torturing a spy for information, but this is just weird.

[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

If I heard someone screaming "let me out of here" that was a volunteer, I certainly hope I'd stop it.

I thought if it was something like torturing a spy for information, but this is just weird.

Yeah, I think I would stop too. But now you know what a Miligram is, if you for some reason are taken part in something, you can say.... "NO THANKS LOL." As that article Corker linked above shows, humans really will do what they're told if an authortarian someone tells them to. Everyone, baaaaaaa with me, now.

I think it doesn't help that not many people know what voltage can kill a human being as well... I wouldn't know, not really. I do now though. 

As Charsen just pointed out to me, Miligram Device = Portal, and your weighted companion cube is the friend you killed in the name of Science.

[Herr Uhl]

*sheds a tear over the companion cube*
It had to be done, for SCIENCE!

This reminded me of the movie called the wave where a history teacher decides to make the students recreate Germany pre-WW2. I liked that one, show those snot-nosed kids that evil isn't as obvious as you'd think it would be (or as I see it, nonexistent).

Edit: It apparently was a book before it became a movie.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 01 juillet 2010 - 01:01 .