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[Gilsa]

Heh, gonna keep her as no-persuade for Awakening and be all WHY DOES NO ONE LISTEN TO ME OMG, lol.

[Costin_Razvan]

I do assume you did crown Alistair WITHOUT hardening him and becoming his Councilor right?

Now that's an ending I can fully endorse, am planning on doing the same thing for my little mage, though she will harden him to continue to the romance.

What? Don't look at me like that! I can romance Alistair without a issue....my qualms about him aren't about that.

Oh and here is my female Infiltrator Shepard, finishing the suicide mission. Bleh I want more color options for default armor!

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 05 juillet 2010 - 08:43 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yea, the power behind the throne ending is one of my favorites. So much so in fact, that I've done it just once, with Dain Aeducan, and not planing on doing it again. Once you get perfection, you really don't want to try something else. Same with being King Consort, with Arcturus Cousland.

I might make a Dwarf Noble that will support Harrowmont and become king. And I just imagined an interesting scenario. Say that Dwarf also chooses to be Teyrn of Gwaren, and then becomes King. What will happen to the Teyrnir? It would be interesting to have the King of Orzammar also be the second most powerful man in Ferelden. Too bad Harrowmont has to be an isolationist idiot.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 05 juillet 2010 - 09:05 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I assume if he didn't reject the troops Anora/Alistair send you would have done so already Knight. "Chuckle."

[KnightofPhoenix]

I would have done what? I'm sorry, I don't think I follow lol

[Costin_Razvan]

Put Harrowmont on the throne so you could claim it for yourself later on

[KnightofPhoenix]

Well is there any other smart reason why anyone would put Harrowmont as king?

But I need to have another motivation for this dwarf of mine. He might be a traditionalist who would be disgusted at Bhelen's reforms. Plus he might think Bhelen is inexperienced in administration and war, while Harrowmont was *cough* a general. And, he might just dislike Bhelen.

A dwarf that is very inferior to Dain and I am sure I won't have as much fun playing as him. But I'll try to make it enjoyable. In fact, after seeing Gilsa's dwarves, I might make her a female. Dwarf booty will make it much more tolerable.

[Collider]

There's also the fact that Bhelen is plotting and shrewd. For lack of a better way of putting it, not necessarily as good of a "person" as Harrowmont.

[soignee]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Gilsa, I freaking love your dwarf!! And your screenshot skills!

this, pretty much
ENVY I HAZ IT

[soignee]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Yea, the power behind the throne ending is one of my favorites. So much so in fact, that I've done it just once, with Dain Aeducan, and not planing on doing it again. Once you get perfection, you really don't want to try something else. Same with being King Consort, with Arcturus Cousland.

This is my Amell's ending. In my pervy little mind imagination, she keeps Alistair on a very short leash and, ah, admires Anora. From a very short distance.

[Costin_Razvan]

You are a ruthless little **** soignee.....very ruthless..

[KnightofPhoenix]

soignee wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Yea, the power behind the throne ending is one of my favorites. So much so in fact, that I've done it just once, with Dain Aeducan, and not planing on doing it again. Once you get perfection, you really don't want to try something else. Same with being King Consort, with Arcturus Cousland.

This is my Amell's ending. In my pervy little mind imagination, she keeps Alistair on a very short leash and, ah, admires Anora. From a very short distance.

....a slghtly different ending than mine.

Interesting nonetheless.
Though I am not sure your Amell would be able to control Anora, like Dain would control an unhardened Alistair.
But she gets to have royal sex, and Dain doesn't. So they're even.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 05 juillet 2010 - 01:53 .

[soignee]

yeah, Anora is a hard one to control. Thea Amell doesn't care, though.

[Master Shiori]

Seems like I'm in need of advice from all you Aeducan fans.

I just finished a game with my dwarf noble. She sided with Harrowmont and after Alistair's coronation Gorim told her she was reinstated as an Aeducan and there are plans to proclaim her a paragon.

Now, in the epilogue it say I founded my own house but nothing about Harrowmont naming me as his succesor. I thought he always did this to a dwarf noble by default?

Is that a bug or did I mess things up somewhere along the way?

Modifié par Master Shiori, 05 juillet 2010 - 02:35 .

[Raonar]

Master Shiori wrote...

Seems like I'm in need of advice from all you Aeducan fans.

I just finished a game with my dwarf noble. She sided with Harrowmont and after Alistair's coronation Gorim told her she was reinstated as an Aeducan and there are plans to proclaim her a paragon.

Now, in the epilogue it say I founded my own house but nothing about Harrowmont naming me as his succesor. I thought he always did this to a dwarf noble by default?

Is that a bug or did I mess things up somewhere along the way?

I asked this once too, and I was told that the epilogue doesn't say anything specific about being named his successor.

I was also quite peeved myself at first.

[tmp7704]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well is there any other smart reason why anyone would put Harrowmont as king? 

For any outsider Warden (not a dwarf) the only first-hand experience you get with Bhelen makes him appear prone to double-crossing and lying in general (as well as possibly viewing the Warden as idiot too clueless and gullible to be able to tell that)  This creates warranted doubt if Bhelen would follow through with his promises of help once crowned. Thus Harrowmont makes a relatively better bet if all you're after is getting assistance in stopping the Blight, like a Warden is supposed to.

[KnightofPhoenix]

But, Bhelen promises you that he will send the army if crowned. Harrowmont on the otherhand promises that he will put the matter up to the Assembly. The same Assembly that was locked and paralysed by political infighting. Doesn't sound like a safer bet to me.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 05 juillet 2010 - 03:43 .

[Sarah1281]

Edit: Sarah, you need to select the line "I don't really care what you're up to" to unlock the persuade check in the slaver quest. She'll ask why you're even there and then you'll say "I'll explain it to whoever is in charge." Moral outrage or "get out of my way" type of dialogue is just going to lead to confrontation.

All of my characters tend to go the moral outrage route because they're fairly moral people (like my HN) or because they see parallels to their own situations (my DC, CE, human mage), or are also elven (elven mage, DE). My DN, of course, takes that route because since the caste system eliminates the need for slavery in Orzammar she actually gets to be morally outraged about something for once and so is having fun with that.

[Herr Uhl]

tmp7704 wrote...

For any outsider Warden (not a dwarf) the only first-hand experience you get with Bhelen makes him appear prone to double-crossing and lying in general (as well as possibly viewing the Warden as idiot too clueless and gullible to be able to tell that)  This creates warranted doubt if Bhelen would follow through with his promises of help once crowned. Thus Harrowmont makes a relatively better bet if all you're after is getting assistance in stopping the Blight, like a Warden is supposed to.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

But, Bhelen promises you that he will send the army if crowned. Harrowmont on the otherhand promises that he will put the matter up to the Assembly. The same Assembly that was locked and paralysed by political infighting. Doesn't sound like a safer bet to me.

See a pattern?

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Herr, the nuance was not at "promise", but at what Bhelen promised, compared to what Harrowmont did.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 05 juillet 2010 - 03:50 .

[Herr Uhl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Herr, the nuance was not at "promise", but at what Bhelen promised, comapred to what Harrowmont did.

That Harrowmont can't promise it suggests that Bhelen's statement is even more dubious.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Herr Uhl wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Herr, the nuance was not at "promise", but at what Bhelen promised, comapred to what Harrowmont did.

That Harrowmont can't promise it suggests that Bhelen's statement is even more dubious.

Can't or wouldn't?
It was made clear that only the King of Orzammar can act on the treaty they had with the Wardens. Why does Harrowmont need to put it up for debate?
Bhelen promising intervention is him being true to and respectful of the treaty. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 05 juillet 2010 - 03:55 .

[Herr Uhl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Herr, the nuance was not at "promise", but at what Bhelen promised, comapred to what Harrowmont did.

That Harrowmont can't promise it suggests that Bhelen's statement is even more dubious.

Can't or wouldn't?
It was made clear that only the King of Orzammar can validate the treaty they had with the Wardens. Why does Harrowmont need to put it up for debate?
Bhelen promising intervention is him being true and respectful of the treaty. 

Whether he doesn't promise because he is realistic or cowardly isn't clear. And that Bhelen will be true to his word isn't certain until he does something, his tactics during the election raises questions about his honesty though. Talk is cheap as they say.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Harrowmont's tactics of buying loyalty and sending fanatics isn't that better.

I prefer to take Bhelen to his word, then trust that the Assembly that just proved how inefficient it is during a crisis, would suddenly see sense.

[tmp7704]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

But, Bhelen promises you that he will send the army if crowned. Harrowmont on the otherhand promises that he will put the matter up to the Assembly. The same Assembly that was locked and paralysed by political infighting. Doesn't sound like a safer bet to me.

True, but you have no good reason to believe Bhelen actually follows through on his promise, so it matters little whether he promised sending army or the sky and all the stars. He knows that getting the army is what you want so he promises you that, but in the end he can leave you empty-handed.

On the other hand dwarves have traditionally helped with fighting the Blight if the treaties you have with you are anything to go by, and so a traditionalist like Harrowmont is more likely to see to it so this tradition is uphold. And with him influencing the views in such manner the Assembly shouldn't have as much difficulty in reaching their decision as they had in the arguably much more complicated matter of choosing the next leader.