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[Lady Jess]

Raise the Roof?

[Gilsa]

Awesome shots, Jess! I can already tell that you are happier with the rerolling. Now it's time for me to tinker with my next dwarf in the toolset while I decompress from my last game. =p



Looking forward to Leliana's song tomorrow. Wonder if it's a standalone DLC or if our characters have to be at a certain point in a game to access it? Like for RtO, we had to be past Lothering.

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

Looking forward to Leliana's song tomorrow. Wonder if it's a standalone DLC or if our characters have to be at a certain point in a game to access it? Like for RtO, we had to be past Lothering.

I'd imagine it would work much the same way the Darkspawn Chronicles worked since, like that, it's not actually a part of the Warden's story although in this case it's a party member's past rather than a trippy AU.

[Lady Jess]

Gilsa wrote...

Awesome shots, Jess! I can already tell that you are happier with the rerolling. Now it's time for me to tinker with my next dwarf in the toolset while I decompress from my last game. =p

Looking forward to Leliana's song tomorrow. Wonder if it's a standalone DLC or if our characters have to be at a certain point in a game to access it? Like for RtO, we had to be past Lothering.

Thanks! Yes, warrior feels much better for her. She's a tactless wench...lol! The dwarves, they are addictive, I'm actually thinking another DNF comes after this. Full out power hungry kinslayer. But must focus on Tryna.

She's only got one or two points in persuade. I think I'll keep it that way. Tact and smooth talking is only for emergencies...lol (that and Shayle scaring Caroll at the circle docks cracks me up). Her and Alistair are NOT going to be friends, likely until after Goldanna, when she tells him to toughen up.  Seems a fitting place for  them to start to understand each other and build from there. Even if I don't make him King, I'd harden him at that point because that's just how she is.  As far as her ending, I only know she's staying on the surface as a warden...the rest I'll figure out when I get there.

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Gilsa wrote...
Looking forward to Leliana's song tomorrow. Wonder if it's a standalone DLC or if our characters have to be at a certain point in a game to access it? Like for RtO, we had to be past Lothering.

I'd imagine it would work much the same way the Darkspawn Chronicles worked since, like that, it's not actually a part of the Warden's story although in this case it's a party member's past rather than a trippy AU.

That's my understanding as well. I'll probably play it while I wait for this danged phone to ring telling me to go meet my husband 12 hours later...grumbles. I hate waiting.

[Sarah1281]

How are you going to even get to Goldanna if you're not friendly, though, given the high approval you need to get that? Or will you have them start to understand each other so he likes her enough to tell her about Goldanna but not enough to really be considered more than co-Wardens until after meeting with her?

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

How are you going to even get to Goldanna if you're not friendly, though, given the high approval you need to get that? Or will you have them start to understand each other so he likes her enough to tell her about Goldanna but not enough to really be considered more than co-Wardens until after meeting with her?

I'm not sure actually. She won't take her biggest approval hit until Isolde. Maybe they'll just have alot of ups and downs, roller coaster thing going on in the beginning. Which fits, since they're pretty much thrown together and trying to figure out everything at once, including each other, and they're total opposites. With the feastday little gifts, I can use the lines that are in character for her, then throw a gift at him long enough to get his quest, then tick him off again at Isolde/Zevran/whatever.

[Costin_Razvan]

I am working on a mod for ME2 that might interest Gilsa ( and anyone else here who frequents this thread ), basically I am trying to balance the game by changing certain abilities to squad mates, changing their weapons, changing biotic abilities to work on barriers/shields/armor but lowering their damage etc.

Here is Jacob with the CAIN and the Blackstorm. ( He is overpowered with the second while the former he sucks with ). I wanted him to be able to use ONLY the Grenade Launcher ( not exactly OP against enemies and I will increase their health )

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 05 juillet 2010 - 07:44 .

[Gilsa]

Wow, sweet shots, Costin.

[Costin_Razvan]

I am trying to somehow give squad mates 3 weapons instead of just 2, to broaden their combat abilities so to speak...



Hmm. I wonder if giving jack biotic charge would work?!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Meh, I can't sleep.

tmp7704 wrote...
Why is it supposed to be easier for the darkspawn to get to the Orzammar from the surface (through the massive defenses) when it so far failed to do that through the Deep Roads which lack these extra barriers?

Additionally the darkspawn isn't prevented from using the said Deep Roads to emerge wherever they darn please rather than slavishly follow the surface trails. They have much softer, easier and better targets if they head west and the faster they move there, the larger advantage of catching the enemies unprepared. It'd be pretty silly to waste time trying to squash few dwarves instead.

Poor argument. If Ferelden falls and the darkspawn reach the Frostback mountains, you realy expect them to just leave Orzammar like that and head West?
Considering the fact that Orzammar doesnt' seem to be too deep, you think the darkspawn would waste such an opportunity?

I can think of several reasons why they would crush it when they have the chance and then head west:
a- They would be protecting their rear
b- they would be protecting their breeding grounds.

Any dwarf thinking that Orzammar would survive if Ferelden falls is an idiot.
Bhelen is a pragmatist and I trust him to do what is needed. I won't waste my time addressing the other points, as this alone counters your argument that Bhelen can't be trusted to help you.

You can believe what you will. At the end of the day, your suspicions are wrong. Bhelen proved he is true to his word and that he has no interest in lying to you. I see no further point in going around in circles. I have already said there are reasons to support Harrowmont. If you think there are no rational reasons to support Bhelen, then good for you. Too bad he is the good king and Harrowmont isn't. 

Gilsa wrote...
The strong motivations for siding with Harrowmont are largely for family reasons. KoP, you look at things from a political and strategical perspective and I think that colors how you play your games. I've seen you speak of your own RL family with fondness and it's obvious you have a lot of respect for your dad. What if your dad was King Endrin? 

I was not raised in an environement dominated by political plots and infighting, nor was I raised by a father that most likely had his brother murdered to get the throne. Dain was. Bhelen as well.
My life has nothing to do with my character's life.

Furthermore, this has nothing to do with who makes the better king.

As for Bhelen being good for the short run. I already said in a post before, his reforms are a prerequesites for long term development. Will that happen? We don't know. But the dwarves stand a much better chance with him than with Harrowmont who makes things worse.

As for the DN replacing Harrowmont. Sure, that's his only redeeming quality. That he gets replaced by someone who could be better. But who can also be even worse. So that's not an argument in favor of Harrowmont really. And it's based on the assumption that your (not you personally) DNs are good rulers. 

I personally would take my chances with Bhelen, thank you.   

Gilsa wrote...
Don't know if any of that helps. If you can't find a reason to side with Harrowmont and still enjoy that game, I wouldn't really waste your time because you'd just be half-assing it at that point.

  
I already said that there are reasons, such as experience and I specified that I was joking when I said there was only one. And I also said that I didn't claim that all of you are irrational idiots for picking him (unlike others who claim that I am for picking Bhelen).

If that is not enough, then I guess I have to apologise for not clarifying that I was joking. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 05 juillet 2010 - 08:47 .

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I was not raised in an environement dominated by political plots and infighting, nor was I raised by a father that most likely had his brother murdered to get the throne. Dain was. Bhelen as well.
My life has nothing to do with my character's life.

While that is true how you view the situation and even your fondness for the characters all come from your life experiences so it's not completely seperate.

I already said that there are reasons, such as experience and I specified that I was joking when I said there was only one. And I also said that I didn't claim that all of you are irrational idiots for picking him (unlike others who claim that I am for picking Bhelen).

If that is not enough, then I guess I have to apologise for not clarifying that I was joking. 

And I don't think it even remotely came off that you're insulting those who have ever sided with Bhelen. I know I like siding with him and  him as a character but I like how I see it ending with Harrowmont on the throne on my DN (Harrowmont's successor aside, the sudden suicidal tendencies on Bhelen's part took her by surprise and the thought of Bhelen sending her nephew to the Gavorns for a year freaked her out).

Modifié par Sarah1281, 05 juillet 2010 - 08:52 .

[Cypher0020]

woooot! 3 outta 5 quest lines... doooooooone! Never got that far in a playthru- much less with a dwarf!



Ok got a question- romanced Zev and the love scene was the COOLEST with my Brosca......but he's still in the adore part... not the white/love part...



So does he love the PC yet? Plus... there's still the option in his dialogue to go to the tent.....

[Sarah1281]

No, Zevran will not love you until you get to Denerim for the Landsmeet (which is after all the treaty quests are done and Eamon's recovered) and you encounter an old friend of his.

[Gilsa]

I was just trying to help out with finding RP motivations for siding with Harrowmont as you've helped out with my previous DN game with the chancellor angle. I didn't mean to give the impression I was arguing or dismissing your points. I knew you were being silly. I merely meant that you could channel your affections for your RL father into a game father and play accordingly, but I can see that I explained myself poorly.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I was not raised in an environement dominated by political plots and infighting, nor was I raised by a father that most likely had his brother murdered to get the throne. Dain was. Bhelen as well.
My life has nothing to do with my character's life.

While that is true how you view the situation and even your fondness for the characters all come from your life experiences so it's not completely seperate.

The fact that I love my family and love my father, has nothing to do with who I think makes the better king. Even less so with what a fictional character I created thinks.

Even if I think Bhelen is not an ethical example of what an individual ought to be, I think he is the example of what a ruler should be. And it's him as a ruler that I am fond of, in addition to his achievements.  
 

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I was not raised in an environement dominated by political plots and infighting, nor was I raised by a father that most likely had his brother murdered to get the throne. Dain was. Bhelen as well.
My life has nothing to do with my character's life.

While that is true how you view the situation and even your fondness for the characters all come from your life experiences so it's not completely seperate.

I already said that there are reasons, such as experience and I specified that I was joking when I said there was only one. And I also said that I didn't claim that all of you are irrational idiots for picking him (unlike others who claim that I am for picking Bhelen).

If that is not enough, then I guess I have to apologise for not clarifying that I was joking. 

And I don't think it even remotely came off that you're insulting those who have ever sided with Bhelen. I know I like siding with him and  him as a character but I like how I see it ending with Harrowmont on the throne on my DN (Harrowmont's successor aside, the sudden suicidal tendencies on Bhelen's part took her by surprise and the thought of Bhelen sending her nephew to the Gavorns for a year freaked her out).

I never saw mention of the nephew as a DN?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I already said that there are reasons, such as experience and I specified that I was joking when I said there was only one. And I also said that I didn't claim that all of you are irrational idiots for picking him (unlike others who claim that I am for picking Bhelen).

If that is not enough, then I guess I have to apologise for not clarifying that I was joking. 

And I don't think it even remotely came off that you're insulting those who have ever sided with Bhelen.

But I got the impression that I was being insulted for picking Bhelen, as it's supposedely an irrational choice based "purely on faith". Of course I couldnt' care less, not when the epilogue speaks on its own. But I just wanted to be clear and say that I was not saying those who picked Harrowmont were idiots, in the same fashion some accused me for picking Bhelen.

Gilsa wrote...
I was just trying to help out with finding RP motivations for siding with Harrowmont as you've helped out with my previous DN game with the chancellor angle. I didn't mean to give the impression I was arguing or dismissing your points. I knew you were being silly. I merely meant that you could channel your affections for your RL father into a game father and play accordingly, but I can see that I explained myself poorly.

I apologise if I wrote things aggresively. It was unintended. I just get a bit pissed when I try to sleep, and can't

Yea, that would be an RP reason for my traditionalist dwarf. In addition to experience that Harrowmont has plenty of and Bhelen has none.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 05 juillet 2010 - 09:02 .

[Cypher0020]

@Sarah



Really? Was wondering why he didn't have a side quest pop up.... that's where he'll betray you if his approval isn't high enough?

[soignee]

someone justify my over enthusiasm about the Deep Roads please. I've written 8500 words and I'm not even at the Anvil yet.

WHYY DEEP ROADS, WRY YOU SO FUN TO WRITE

[Lady Jess]

soignee wrote...

someone justify my over enthusiasm about the Deep Roads please. I've written 8500 words and I'm not even at the Anvil yet.
WHYY DEEP ROADS, WRY YOU SO FUN TO WRITE

but is there sex?

[Lady Jess]

Love stabbing the prisoner...

[Sarah1281]

Lady Jess wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I was not raised in an environement dominated by political plots and infighting, nor was I raised by a father that most likely had his brother murdered to get the throne. Dain was. Bhelen as well.
My life has nothing to do with my character's life.

While that is true how you view the situation and even your fondness for the characters all come from your life experiences so it's not completely seperate.

I already said that there are reasons, such as experience and I specified that I was joking when I said there was only one. And I also said that I didn't claim that all of you are irrational idiots for picking him (unlike others who claim that I am for picking Bhelen).

If that is not enough, then I guess I have to apologise for not clarifying that I was joking. 

And I don't think it even remotely came off that you're insulting those who have ever sided with Bhelen. I know I like siding with him and  him as a character but I like how I see it ending with Harrowmont on the throne on my DN (Harrowmont's successor aside, the sudden suicidal tendencies on Bhelen's part took her by surprise and the thought of Bhelen sending her nephew to the Gavorns for a year freaked her out).

I never saw mention of the nephew as a DN?

Admittedly, you don't find out about Bhelen's apparent deal to send Endrin to the Gavorns in exchange for Vartag having been sent over for a year when Bhelen was a young child or possibly not even born (which I still thinks makes no sense as Endrin would have had to have been the one to approve of this and only Bhelen seemed to care about House Gavorn) but if they ever go back to Orzammar then they will. My character found out that she had a nephew once she put Bhelen on the throne and heard those two gossipy nobles talking about how, despite having a son, the mother was casteless so he'd still need a Queen. You don't find this out if you crown Harrowmont in-game but I'd imagine at some point she'd realize that she does even if it's not spelled out for you in the game. It appears to be not only common knowledge but soemthing that was celebrated a few weeks back so chances are you'd hear about it.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
The fact that I love my family and love my father, has nothing to do with who I think makes the better king. Even less so with what a fictional character I created thinks.

Not exactly, no, but your life will still effect how you take the whole DN situation. Surely you've encountered all the posts from people saying that they hate having to do the politics and would rather their character just got to be Lara Croft and fight in the Deep Roads all day? You have quite a different view on that.

Cypher0020 wrote...

@Sarah

Really? Was wondering why he didn't have a side quest pop up.... that's where he'll betray you if his approval isn't high enough?

It is. Of course, if you say that Zevran's with you then he won't betray you at all and if you talk to him (as the romance requires) then he won't betray you although if your approval is only moderate he may just leave the fight and catch up with you later because he doesn't want to help kill his friend.

[soignee]

Lady Jess wrote...

soignee wrote...

someone justify my over enthusiasm about the Deep Roads please. I've written 8500 words and I'm not even at the Anvil yet.
WHYY DEEP ROADS, WRY YOU SO FUN TO WRITE

but is there sex?

sorrrrrrrrrrrrrt of.  >.> <.<

And hurt/comfort, which is apparently a kink now. ~~~~~*~~THE MOAR YOU KNOW~~*~~

[Cypher0020]

Soignee I love your fic! I haven't written any dragon age stuff yet... I really should