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[KnightofPhoenix]

soignee wrote...

I use this occasionally, if we're speaking of weird things we do:

CAN YOU GUESS WHAT FOR, DWARF THREAD?

I thought it was used to cut pizza.

[soignee]

haha KoP! That would be a holey pizza indeed.



I drew a certain someone yesterday:

[Herr Uhl]

Sereda?

[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sereda?

Not myyyyyyyy Aeducan.

[Herr Uhl]

soignee wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sereda?

Not myyyyyyyy Aeducan.

I meant Aimo's Aeducan. I always forget her name.

[soignee]

Bingo! It seems Aimo officially "owns" that facial tattoo for her lady. I like to think of the eyepatch as Missa's too.



lolol eyepatch. YARGHHH PIRATE MISSA. Okay I think I've had to much coffee.

[Costin_Razvan]

Soignee: You ever going to update?

[soignee]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Soignee: You ever going to update?

I aim for Monday.

[aimo_ahmed]

soignee wrote...

haha KoP! That would be a holey pizza indeed.

I drew a certain someone yesterday:

*licks artwork*

Herr Uhl: My Aeducan's name is Sorsha, but I generally just refer to her as Lady Aeducan 99% of the time.

[Herr Uhl]

Yes, that is why I always forget it. I remember it starting with S though.

[Giggles_Manically]

Anyone want to guess what the effect of the Dwarven King and keeping the Anvil/destroying will be in DA2?



I hope it is more than just random banter we hear, or something better than a cameo or two changing. What would be neat is if you saw a ton more Dwarven goods popping up if you sided with Bhelen or saw Golems in some places fighting with Dwarves. What do the rest of you think our descions will supposedly do in DA2.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sorry, I have to say this somewhere and I don't know where else.

I LOVE Sie!

[tmp7704]

Sarah1281 wrote...

He had that in Origins and he seemed to have completely forgotten about that by the time Awakening rolls around. Are we supposed to constantly be on 'keep Oghren from sinking into depression' duty?

To be fair, i don't think there's more than a year between Origins and Awakening. People can take way longer than that to get over death of a loved person (and some don't get over that completely ever) so in a way, that whole thing how the players complain some bit of pep talk wasn't enough to "fix" him ... it can be pretty dicky.

[Sarah1281]

tmp7704 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

He had that in Origins and he seemed to have completely forgotten about that by the time Awakening rolls around. Are we supposed to constantly be on 'keep Oghren from sinking into depression' duty?

To be fair, i don't think there's more than a year between Origins and Awakening. People can take way longer than that to get over death of a loved person (and some don't get over that completely ever) so in a way, that whole thing how the players complain some bit of pep talk wasn't enough to "fix" him ... it can be pretty dicky.

I know but no matter how badly I may feel for Oghren I dont' see him ever doing anything to try to help himself and it just seems like he's one of those people who will keep making the wrong choices and destroy all the positives in his life so if you want any chance of trying to stop that you'll need to always be around to prevent him from self-destructing and that's a pretty big commitment.

[tmp7704]

Oh definitely. It's the sort of commitment only a true friend would perhaps make.

[Sarah1281]

tmp7704 wrote...

Oh definitely. It's the sort of commitment only a true friend would perhaps make.

And if you're not staying with the Wardens and he won't go back to Orzammar (or to go live at the tTwer, or in court, or Highever, at the new Dalish land...basically anywhere not with the Wardens) then I'm not sure exactly how you could possibly be realistically there for him in the long-term.

[Herr Uhl]

I can see why he does what he does. But it is his general demeanor during Awakening that puts me off. During Origins he was a drunkard, sure, but you could detect that there was more to him than that during banters and your conversations. In Awakening he just becomes a drunkard.



And it isn't all about Branka, he lost all of his family and probably most of his friends with her too.

[tmp7704]

Sarah1281 wrote...

And if you're not staying with the Wardens and he won't go back to Orzammar (or to go live at the tTwer, or in court, or Highever, at the new Dalish land...basically anywhere not with the Wardens) then I'm not sure exactly how you could possibly be realistically there for him in the long-term.

No, obviously if the Warden picks some other things to do instead then they can't help Oghren with his issues. I just think it should be then recognized that yes, he won't really get better on his own (at least not in such short period) Instead, often enough there seems to be annoyance along the lines of "Oh, but i gave him five minutes of my precious time, why is he still moping around like it didn't matter? Drunk loser".

[Giggles_Manically]

Oghern in Origins actually had some interesting banter and actually got one on Shale about her memory. I liked him in Origins since you can turn him around and see the old Warrior that was once great reemerge at the end of Origins.



In Awakening Oghern felt like a running drunk gag from SNL.

[DWSmiley]

Oghren is even *more* obnoxious in Awakenings? Gak. I shall finally be playing it when the patch comes out. Well, forewarned is forearmed...

[Kryyptehk]

DWSmiley wrote...

Oghren is even *more* obnoxious in Awakenings? Gak. I shall finally be playing it when the patch comes out. Well, forewarned is forearmed...

Not so much obnoxious, more like a horrible person and a dead-beat father. I really liked Oghren in Origins, but I just kept him in Vigil's Keep during the game and when he died in the end I didn't reload to change my ending.

[SurelyForth]

Must I defend Awakening Oghren here? It's my opinion that his amped up obnoxiousness in Awakening, and his deadbeat dadness, is a direct result of his own inability to live up to what he imagined his life would be like after the Blight. He helped a hero, restored his honor, found a woman who could put up with him and was respected in the army...

But he doesn't deserve any of that, in his mind, and he's still hung up on Branka so he self-destructs all over the place and is over-the-top in such a glorious way that I feel like he's trying to get the Warden to give up on him being anything but a drunken killing machine so he can wallow forever in his own worthlessness.

If you save him again in Awakening, he seems to find a place for himself in the Wardens where he can do what he loves, be somewhat respected and still be a presence in his baby's life without being around so much that he'd ruin him/her for good (which is, I think, something he fears).

I find playing it that way makes his arc seem incredibly believable, because it undoes the whole trope of the Warden saving all their companions with minimal effort. Oghren takes a lot of effort and ends Awakening somewhere between where you first found him in Origins and where he can be at the end of Origins.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 17 juillet 2010 - 08:14 .

[DWSmiley]

Kryyptehk wrote...

DWSmiley wrote...

Oghren is even *more* obnoxious in Awakenings? Gak. I shall finally be playing it when the patch comes out. Well, forewarned is forearmed...

Not so much obnoxious, more like a horrible person and a dead-beat father. I really liked Oghren in Origins, but I just kept him in Vigil's Keep during the game and when he died in the end I didn't reload to change my ending.

I warm to Oghren in his farwell speech at the city gates.  Too bad we don't get to see more of that side of him.  Then he's right back to ugh at the post coronation.  Sigh.

[Kryyptehk]

SurelyForth wrote...

Must I defend Awakening Oghren here? It's my opinion that his amped up obnoxiousness in Awakening, and his deadbeat dadness, is a direct result of his own inability to live up to what he imagined his life would be like after the Blight. He helped a hero, restored his honor, found a woman who could put up with him and was respected in the army...

But he doesn't deserve any of that, in his mind, and he's still hung up on Branka so he self-destructs all over the place and is over-the-top in such a glorious way that I feel like he's trying to get the Warden to give up on him being anything but a drunken-killing machine so he can wallow forever in his own worthlessness.

If you save him again in Awakening, he seems to find a place for himself in the Wardens where he can do what he loves, be somewhat respected and still be a presence in his baby's life without being around so much that he'd ruin him/her for good (which is, I think, something he fears).

I find playing it that way makes his arc seem incredibly believable, because it undoes the whole trope of the Warden saving all their companions with minimal effort. Oghren takes a lot of effort and ends Awakening somewhere between where you first found him in Origins and where he can be at the end of Origins.

I don't know, I still think death is a better thing for him. With him alive, the ending seems to suggest that he has no interest in being a father and the Warden has to make sure he doesn't screw his own life up. If he dies at Vigil's Keep than maybe his child can grow up thinking his father was a hero, rather than a useless, drunken mess. That is if Felsi doesn't tell the child about his selfishness.

[DWSmiley]

SurelyForth wrote...

Must I defend Awakening Oghren here?...

Yes.  Yes, you must.
I shall try to attain your perspective...