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[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Hmm....what with did you do with Madison in Rome or the Crazy Russian in Moscow?

I would replay the last mission then btw. You can get Parker if you just point out his analysis is flawed.

Madison died. I like her, but she's not worth it.
I spared the crazy Russian. He is scum, but he is a rich scum who can pay for his life. Besides, I don't want Sergei to know I was in Konstantin's mansion.

Do you find out who the assassin was if you chose to contact Parker instead of getting the intel?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 juillet 2010 - 10:55 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Scarlet tells you herself if you got reputation with her high enough.

What do you imagine happening in the end with Thorton as leader of Hallbech? I am guessing the loss of American Political Power. The dissolution of NATO ( eventually ) and the retreat of American troops from Middle Eastern, European, Asian bases.

Not too bad I think.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 17 juillet 2010 - 11:05 .

[tmp7704]

Kryyptehk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Surely. It's not his problems that are...well a problem for me. It's the fact you essentially don't have any serious conversation with the guy in Awakening (just idiotic convos) and his ridiculous drunkness factor is multiplied by ten that it's no longer funny. Perhaps the only meaningful scene with Oghren was when you give him the pony. But other than that, he gets too ridiculous for his own good. You could talk seriously with Oghren in Origins, not so in Awakening and it's a shame.

I think his problem is that you can't joke with him at all. At the beginning, with the pants monster convo, I thought it would be funny to joke around with it. Apparently not. I know he wants to be taken seriously, but that's kinda hard to do when he's falling down drunk.

I saw these early conversation as sort of trope breaker -- it's a stereotype it's ok to make fun of the dwarves and they take it in stride, but Oghren is rather sensitive about it and this is not way with him. He appreciates having his positive traits recognized, maybe becaues he spends enough time berating himself and doesn't need anyone else to confirm/add further to that.

Also, these conversations point out something easily overlooked -- Oghren as someone who is still pretty much lost on the surface and feels vulnerable because of that, but he hides that behind bravado unless you push him hard about it. As such he reacts positively when his fears and confusion are adressed rather than used to make him a laughing stock... and honestly, it's not exactly strange attitude. You may see joking about his lack of clue as laughing with him but from his end it feels more like laughing at him, pretty normal for someone who moves to a new place and gets to be the butt of regulars' jokes.

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Costin
Oh. Well that was a waste of life. I do have a save file before the final mission, so I might redo it. I like Parker and I would have wanted to tell him what happened to Madison.

I am going to list all choices I made, remind me if I missed any:

Saudi Arabia:
- I spared Nasri
- Spared Shaheed

Taipei:
- Removed the bug from G22's facility
- Chose to get intel on the riots, meaning President Sung, in his stubborn idiocy, was killed.
- Spared Omen Deng, even if his attempts at being a badass were slightly amusing.

Rome:
- Did not kill Gibril (or anyone at the mansion)
- Inflitrated the CIA outpost with no casualties
- Got pretty close to Madison and got laid for it.
- Chose to deactivate the bomb and not save Madison. Sad for her though.

Moscow:
- Did not kill Sis. She look cute and I like Albatross and G22.
- Was not that aggresive with Grigori, which was a mistake.
- Accepted SIE's help and got +8 or 9 rep from my first convo with her.
- In the embassy mission, I chose Albatross as my handler
- Chose to save Albatross and sacrifice the data.
- spared Konstatin Boyka whatever his name is.
- Made a deal with Sergei Kurkov.

End game:
- Sex with both Mina and Scarlet...seperately sadly.
- Contacted Shaheed and accepted his deal and support.
- Chose Albatross as handler. which means no sex with SIE....tragic. 
- Accepted Leland's offer
- Convinced Marburg (who likes me) to quit.
- Did not contact Parker and recieved Omen Deng's data
- Spared Scarlet, whom I like the most.
- Killed Mina. Sad, but she did use Mike fromn the very beginning. Plus, I needed Leland to trust me for the plan to work.
- Killed Westridge. Potential threat.
- Killed Leland. I like the guy, because he is smart. Which is why he must be removed from the picture. Mike gets control of Halbech, with a big network of allies.

Overall, I am satisfied. What about your choices Costin? 

Costin_Razvan wrote...
What do you imagine happening in the end with Thorton as leader of Hallbech? I am guessing the loss of American Political Power. The dissolution of NATO ( eventually ) and the retreat of American troops from Middle Eastern, European, Asian bases.

Not too bad I think.

The USA will not get any better, that's for sure. Taiwan will likely be absorbed by China. Terrorists and counter terrorists will all depend on Mike's Halbech.

The only thing I didn't like much was that sparing Shaheed and financing Al Samad meant that the Middle East unity talks were aborted. As a Middle Easterner myself, I didn't like that. But Mike isn't from there, so he has little reason to care about my homeland.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 juillet 2010 - 11:17 .

[thegreateski]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The Leliana thread is currently hating on dwarven males...

[Costin_Razvan]

Knight: About the same choices in most cases, but how do you convince Mardburg to stand down?

 The only thing I didn't like much was that sparing Shaheed and financing Al Samad meant that the Middle East unity talks were aborted. As a Middle Easterner myself, I didn't like that. But Mike isn't from there, so he has little reason to care about my homeland.  

Since I am personally neither a Middle Eastern nor an American I could hardly care for either of them. And since I resent the USA heavily for what it did almost 75 years back....well you can figure.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 17 juillet 2010 - 11:20 .

[tmp7704]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

What do you imagine happening in the end with Thorton as leader of Hallbech? I am guessing the loss of American Political Power. The dissolution of NATO ( eventually ) and the retreat of American troops from Middle Eastern, European, Asian bases.

Not too bad I think.

I'd imagine nothing really happens. It's not like the fate of countries and world on the whole hinges on well-being of single weapon manufacturer, not when there's dozens of them out there competing for the market. Hallbech isn't even a big one, they're desperately trying to make themselves relevant (again) in the post-cold war world.

That's the usual beef i have with these games, though, the inability to take into account the scale of real world.

[Sarah1281]

thegreateski wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

The Leliana thread is currently hating on dwarven males...

Yeah, Aimo's pregnant!Leliana/m!Brosca

got an 'Ew, male dwarves are all stumpy! Kill it with fire!'

[Costin_Razvan]

I'd imagine nothing really happens. It's not like the fate of countries and world on the whole hinges on well-being of single weapon manufacturer, not when there's dozens of them out there competing for the market. Hallbech isn't even a big one, they're desperately trying to make themselves relevant (again) in the post-cold war world.

Hallbech is a gigantic weapons company which ordered the USA to take down Saheed and kill Thorton as well to leave no trace. They have great power.



But it's not all about Hallbech. But rather that Thorton has a great deal of influence over the world.

[thegreateski]

I'm sure they DO have a great deal of power.



but there's a LOT of power out there. This planet is big. BIG!

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Since I am personally neither a Middle Eastern nor an American I could hardly care for either of them. And since I resent the USA heavily for what it did almost 75 years back....well you can figure.

You realize that pretty much everyone alive 75 years ago is either dead or well on their way, right? Surely you can think of some more relevant reasons to hate us? I mean, I'm sure the last eight years gave people plenty of material.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Knight: About the same choices in most cases, but how do you convince Mardburg to stand down?

You need high rep with him and use the dossier option when you meet him in Alpha Protocol's HQ.

@ TMP.
The ending text that says that Halbech provides the technological answers to any problem as soon as it shows up (problems likely started by Mike himself), which suggests that it is or will become the biggest weapon's manufacturer. The one heading it (Mike) was compared to either reading God's mind or being his hand.
Not to mention Mike's very own allies and network.

Maybe it's not reaslitic, but that's what the game says.

EDIT: and as Costin said, I was under the impression that Halbech was big. Big enough to know and essentially buy  the Alpha Protocol program and use it.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 juillet 2010 - 11:25 .

[Costin_Razvan]

You realize that pretty much everyone alive 75 years ago is either dead or well on their way, right? Surely you can think of some more relevant reasons to hate us? I mean, I'm sure the last eight years gave people plenty of material.

It's not my only reason, but it's the biggest one for my resentment of the USA Government. The Cold War as well as the last NINE years ( we are close to September ) did not make the USA look any better, that is true but their decision at the end of WW2 ( no matter how justified it might be ) is not something I can easily forgive.



As for Hallbech. They are not the prime reason for USA political loss....but rather the revealing of Alpha Protocol.



Can you imagine what would happen if it was reveled to the world that such a program like Alpha Protocol existed? Now I am not a modern political expert but even I see the ****storm that would hit the USA. A lot of people in NATO countries resent the USA heavily now, what do you think would happen if something like that occurred?



Political ****storm would be putting it mildly actually.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Apparently Presidential canditate Darcy alleviated the USA's loss of reputation after the revealing of Alpha Protocol or so I understood. I can't imagine him being that succesful anyways,

[Costin_Razvan]

That's true....but it's through programs like Alpha Protocol that the USA stays on top. ( In game ).

As for Darcy being successful, he might repair some of the USA's reputation, but with Mike running the strings against him well I wish him luck. It's something to consider if Mike should assassinate him or leave him be....hmm.

Edit: I am not a fan of Al-Sammad....or organizations like the. I consider them idiots for the way they try to achieve their goals.....but they are useful tools for Mike's goals.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 17 juillet 2010 - 11:47 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
As for Darcy being successful, he might repair some of the USA's reputation, but with Mike running the strings against him well I wish him luck. It's something to consider if Mike should assassinate him or leave him be....hmm.

Sadly there won't be a sequel to answer those questions.
I think Mike would contemplate assassination / terrorist bombing. Probably using Al Samad to do it.

The interesting question would be, will all his allies remain loyal to him?
I still don't understand what G22's agenda is, so I don't know if they will remain on Mike's side. Albatross's only reason for helping Mike is that it's in his best interests (in his own words). What is interests are is unclear.
Sergei made it clear that he will not let the USA (via Halbech) weaken Russia. So Mike will have to be careful.
Shaheed has proven himself to not be a foolish tool. Caution would be required. 
SIE and her mercs are unpredictable at best, unstable at worst.
Steven Heck, I would almost guarantee his loyalty. If 5 million $ were not enough to make him betray Mike, then very little will.
Omen Deng might like us, but I doubt that makes the Chinese Secret Police ours to use (maybe only the division Omen commands). 

So the Mike Inc. ending, while definately impressive, does not make him ruler of the world. But an extremily powerful and influencial figure. 

EDIT: Not a fan of Al Sammad either and I have personal reasons to dislike them and any organisation bearing the same agenda and methods. But they can be useful to someone like Mike.

And strangely, despite everything, I don't dislike Shaheed. He's proven himself to be a man of his word, negotiable / cooperative and useful.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 juillet 2010 - 11:56 .

[tmp7704]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ TMP.
The ending text that says that Halbech provides the technological answers to any problem as soon as it shows up (problems likely started by Mike himself), which suggests that it is or will become the biggest weapon's manufacturer. The one heading it (Mike) was compared to either reading God's mind or being his hand.
Not to mention Mike's very own allies and network.

Maybe it's not reaslitic, but that's what the game says.

Sure, and that's my whole point. That this kind of simplification and complete disregard for the scale of the world puts this stuff on par with your typical sci-fi shows, where you have single nations spanning entire planets and yet have no more than couple established cities and single corporation running all.

EDIT: and as Costin said, I was under the impression that Halbech was big. Big enough to know and essentially buy  the Alpha Protocol program and use it.

The game has this on Halbech:

"Profits have slowed for the company since the cessation of the Cold War and the small-scale military strikes of the 1980s and early 1990s, leading to the recent downsizing and closing of multiple offices worldwide. Although the controlling interest is held by CEO Henry Leland and the Board of Directors, the directors have been showing concern in regards to the company's future, despite reassurances by Leland that Halbech is merely going through a restructuring period."

Leland's knowledge of Alpha Protocol isn't directly related to the company size btw -- he learnt about existence of such program from Marburg. Then he asked to be granted access to it in exchange for discounts on some missile deals. In a way that's down to pure luck more than anything.

And really, government granting a corporation access to its super-secret black project when exposing such program is supposedly something that can cause the country's presence in the world to collapse in storm of media outrage... simply to save some money? That's such case of "plot stupid" it physically hurts.

[Costin_Razvan]

So the Mike Inc. ending, while definately impressive, does not make him ruler of the world. But an extremily powerful and influencial figure.

Very true. He still has a lot of work ahead of him to be ruler the world, but it's a very good start to get to that end.

 And really, government granting a corporation access to its super-secret black project when exposing such program is supposedly something that can cause the country's presence in the world to collapse in storm of media outrage... simply to save some money? That's such case of "plot stupid" it physically hurts.

Parker can explain in great detail why this happens, should you ask him in the final mission when contacting him.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 17 juillet 2010 - 11:58 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ TMP.
Sure, that's why I added "buy and use it" when I said "know about it". Leland had influence on the Alpha Protocol organisation. So I don't think Halbech was small. And as for its diminishing business, well the reason this happened implies the same fate to all other weapon manufacturers. Or at the very least, it's possible. Which would still make Halbech one of the biggest weapons manufacturer, even if diminished.

Not denying the over-simplification of the plot mind you (most games are like that really. Even DA:O in some respects).

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 juillet 2010 - 12:03 .

[thegreateski]

Shhh . . . suspend your disbelief.



It is a large evil corporation that owns everything. Ignore the plot holes.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

 And really, government granting a corporation access to its super-secret black project when exposing such program is supposedly something that can cause the country's presence in the world to collapse in storm of media outrage... simply to save some money? That's such case of "plot stupid" it physically hurts.

Parker can explain in great detail why this happens, should you ask him in the final mission when contacting him.

Can you share?

I too am not so clear as to why and how Leland had that much influence on AP.

[Costin_Razvan]

Just replay the mission and then contact Parket and go with the professional route.



Parker does a far better job at explaining then I ever would.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yea I'll do that soon. Thanks.

[lovgreno]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The Leliana thread is currently hating on dwarven males...

Such nonsense, dwarven males are strong and handsome men. Okay, I admit that my avatar is a exception to the rule.

[Herr Uhl]

lovgreno wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

The Leliana thread is currently hating on dwarven males...

Such nonsense, dwarven males are strong and handsome men. Okay, I admit that my avatar is a exception to the rule.

And Leliana is an excellent partner for them. For motorboating purposes.