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[Sarah1281]

Rica shows up as an Assembly-elected Ambassador to Ferelden and announce that you've been made Warrior caste, your mother stopped drinking (and has really been feeling it), and you're being considered for Paragon, which is confirmed in the epilogue.

[Gilsa]

Casteless can request a boon to send aid to the dwarven people. If you sided with Bhelen (duh =p) and destroyed the anvil, Orzammar enters an age of prosperity at the expense of dictatorship. The boon leads to the human armies being welcomed with open arms by Bhelen and the darkspawn get driven back as far as the Dead Trenches. The first warrior to return with a relic from Bownammar gets greeted by cheering crowds.



Rica will show up again at the ceremony with good news about your social status in Orzammar and about your mother changing her ways.



Your dwarven boon will be wasted if you crowned Harrowmont so use it for something else. (I used up mine to keep Anora from executing Alistair.)

[soignee]

God my Aeducan really fecked her people over- silly cow was useless at politics, she really was. I picked Harrowmont, and ran off with Alistair leaving Anora in charge.



VERY SMART AEDUCAN, VERY SMART.

[Sarah1281]

(I used up mine to keep Anora from executing Alistair.) 

Doesn't she grant you a boon at the end anyway?

VERY SMART AEDUCAN, VERY SMART.

At least you had a character that had it make sense she didn't notice Bhelen was obviously evil. I decided mine realized he was up to something but decided to go with it so she could run off and join the GWs and if Trian and Endrin didn't like the way that worked out the should have tried harder not to die and not allowed the exile, respectively. Needless to say that made the decision to support Bhelen considerably easier as there's no way she would have been able to be a GW if he hadn't come through like that for her...

[Gilsa]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Doesn't she grant you a boon at the end anyway?

Yeah, she does and I picked the dwarven aid just to see if I could get two boons out of her, but there was nothing in the epilogue about Harrowmont turning away the human armies or whatever. No acknowledgement. I didn't dwell on it because I know how buggy epilogue cards are anyway. I figured the game was just going through the motions with ceremony boon and actually ignoring what I picked since I already used it up at Landsmeet. Dunno. =p

[Sarah1281]

When I picked Harrowmont (as a DN I was obliged to do it at least once) it didn't mention anything and when I sided with Bhelen it didn't mention anything, even though Alistair was co-ruler both times. When I was a DC who sided with Bhelen and Alistair was co-ruler, I finally got that epilogue slide. Seriously, why are they so buggy?!?!

[Gilsa]

Man ... I don't want to download the toolkit because I have too much to do as it is. I don't care enough about companions to see every single line they could possibly say, but I would totally do it to explore anything dwarf-related. Must ... resist ... temptation ...

[Cypher0020]

Wow not bad. Made warrior caste and maybe paragon? Oooooh House Brosca.....



What'll happen to Rica/Behlen's kid? which house would he be in?

[Sarah1281]

It would probably take less time then obsessivey playing the Origin, reunion with Gorim, and return to Orzammar over and over again to do it manually...

And Endrin Jr. is a boy so since he'd have his father's caste, he would have his House, too. Besides, the Aeducans (especially if Bhelen has the throne) are far more powerful than any new House could be.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 04 avril 2010 - 05:35 .

[Cuddlezarro]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Wow not bad. Made warrior caste and maybe paragon? Oooooh House Brosca.....

What'll happen to Rica/Behlen's kid? which house would he be in?

Bhelens kid is the heir to the aeducen throne

just as the male dwarf nobles kid is if you side with harrowmont

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 04 avril 2010 - 05:44 .

[soignee]

I played my Aeducan as an airheaded party girl with only a vague concept of knowing some things. They used to give nobility instant officer positions in English armies back in the day despite them having brains of the flies and more used to playing bridge in sitting rooms then, you know, leading and commanding men. I reasoned she could be given a position of power just because of her name.



Yeah, "daddy's favourite" indeed, especially when she actually started to be good at fighting and stabbing things. That's my Aeducan, too stupid to know politics and finidng it tiresome, too arrogant to think Bhelen would ever play her and that she's anything less then loved. Silly cow, seriously.

[Gilsa]

LOL, Sarah. There are two more dwarven playthroughs I'm tempted to do: DC that sides with Harrowmont just to get all the pissed-off Rica dialogue (I'd mainly do it to record all of that and put it on youtube for those who are curious about the flip side of the coin) and a different DN that rebuilds Grey Wardens with Alistair as a back-up. I have really strong RP reasons for rejecting the dark ritutal, but if they bring back Alistair in an expansion where the romance keeps going ... well, I might want a spare DN for this. I thought about making a human mage just for the Alistair romance, but damn it, I don't want to play a skanky human. He belongs to my DN! =p

[Cypher0020]

hahaha that's a nice way to play her. I started mine as a really friendly gal, who didn't hold Behlen's backstab against her



I mean.... really if their politics run like that how could the DN honestly NOT see that one coming a mile off?



I would have kept my eyes on Trian and Behlen the entire time..... shoot, even Gorim......

[Sarah1281]

DC that sides with Harrowmont just to get all the pissed-off Rica dialogue (I'd mainly do it to record all of that and put it on youtube for those who are curious about the flip side of the coin)

I really want to see if Harrowmont is rude or says something insensitive to the DC (even though he hates surfacers he respected GWs enough to be nice to mine) and how he reacts when you bring up Rica. She forgives you by the end but to think that she went through hell to protect you and then when you left she had no idea if you were even alive or dead but then you came back just in the nick of time to help make Bhelen King...and then you turn around and basically ruin her son's future? I'll never be able to do it. Although I still don't appreciate her going on about what a horrible person the DN is when you ask her about the rumors of fratricide.

I would have kept my eyes on Trian and Behlen the entire time..... shoot, even Gorim......

If you can't trust Gorim, who can you trust? Well, aside from trusting him not to marry the first surface gir he saw. Still, he never tries to kill you and that's more than you can say for most of the people in that Origin.

[soignee]

You have to RP as slightly HERPDERP to not work it out, I think. Bhelen must've spend years workin on his coup. Years. He is, no doubt about it, smarter then you. For him to keep up the "quiet brother" facade for so long, too.



I wonder if he genuinely loves Rica. Often wondered that. (/tangeant into Bhelen, lol)

[Cypher0020]

So what's with the king thing again? I liked Harrowmont easily enough in the DN origin... but in most runs I always pick Behlen.... and if you play DC putting him on the throne helps both Rica and your nephew???



Now..... a casteless gets this at the end right?



- member of the warrior caste



-considered for paragon-ship



- gains a place in House Aeducan?



- gains a nephew....?





BUT



since the DC is a Warden.... can't claim any of that?

[Herr Uhl]

Cypher0020 wrote...
BUT

since the DC is a Warden.... can't claim any of that?

Shouldn't but you just ended a friggin blight, I think you can bend the rules a little.

[Cuddlezarro]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...
BUT

since the DC is a Warden.... can't claim any of that?

Shouldn't but you just ended a friggin blight, I think you can bend the rules a little.

indeed

my main HNM character *see my siggy banner* wouldent have even returned to the grey wardens in awakenings if not for Anora asking him too... even after that he went back to court the first chance he got

[Cypher0020]

that's true....and both the PC and Alistair lived...uhhh... should people question how exactly? Just sayin'.



I suppose after killing an archdemon... my DC can spend some much needed downtime with Zev, Rica and her kid

[Sarah1281]

since the DC is a Warden.... can't claim any of that?

While whether the 'abandon your former life' practice of the Wardens is legal or not (which is really only supported by Arland making Sophia Dryden a Warden to keep her out of the way but even that isn't really conclusive as he the Wardens were seen as defunct and he stripped her title and lands first or her children would have gotten them) in Ferelden or the other nations of Thedas, in either the DC Origin when Leske mentions that the Warriors in Duncan's proving are hoping tobecome Wardnes, and you can ask why they'd wnat that as going to the surface would strip them of their caste, he explains that the practice in Orzammar is for those who join the Wardens to get to keep their status because it is a great honor and no one would join otherwise.

that's true....and both the PC and Alistair lived...uhhh... should people question how exactly? Just sayin'. 

The Orlesians have already asked by the time of the coronation and no doubt other Wardens will press the subject later. Since Riordan has to explain that a Warden must die, only Wardens actually know that so no one else is suspicious. Alistair either doesn't know what happened because he left the Wardens and Loghain isn't about to tell the Orlesians anything or Alistair says he intends to just shrug and look stupid as everyone will be much happier NOT knowing about the ritual.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 04 avril 2010 - 06:22 .

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...
While whether the 'abandon your former life' practice of the Wardens is legal or not (which is really only supported by Arland making Sophia Dryden a Warden to keep her out of the way but even that isn't really conclusive as he the Wardens were seen as defunct and he stripped her title and lands first or her children would have gotten them) in Ferelden or the other nations of Thedas, in either the DC Origin when Leske mentions that the Warriors in Duncan's proving are hoping tobecome Wardnes, and you can ask why they'd wnat that as going to the surface would strip them of their caste, he explains that the practice in Orzammar is for those who join the Wardens to get to keep their status because it is a great honor and no one would join otherwise.

I think this is so that your family doesn't get dishonored. You don't keep living in Orzammar, you live with the GW so having the "titles" make no practical difference. You are still in the memories (vs. dead legion or going to the surface, then you get erased from the memories).

It's an honor, you'll be seen as a hero, but there is no GW going back to live a peaceful life in Orzammar.

[Cypher0020]

Rats. So no going home and having some sembelence of a normal life? I think I remember talking about this with Wynne.



Sooo....can a DC at least pop in and visit Orzzamar? I mean... a dwarven GW would be an expert on darkspawn etc next to the wardens themselves.... so there'd be tons of reasons to go back!



Plus a Dwarf GW would really be up to date if another Blight happened right? They're practically living atop millions darkspawn already

[Herr Uhl]

Ah, but you are a special case, there is also no GW on the throne, but the new lex Alastair rule contradicts it.



GW don't, you possibly could.

[Cypher0020]

Oh yeah. I forgot about that. Planned to put Al on the throne in my DC run and skip off happily with Zev



If anything, I'm gonna return to Orzzamar just to kick ass in the Provings.



As a castless they threw me out... returning as a warrior caste member would be awesome.... so me the respect!

[Sarah1281]

Rats. So no going home and having some sembelence of a normal life? I think I remember talking about this with Wynne.

Wynne has no idea what she's talking about when it comes to GW and tries to convince you to be a self-sacrificing saint, completely missing the 'whatever it takes' which might, in some cases, involve poisoning ashes or dissolving the Circle.

Grey Wardens are SUPPOSED to stay with the Wardens but that's only if they take being a Warden seriously. Wardens almost always either want to be a GW and so are unlikely to leave or have no other choice (you yourself would die in the Origin, Loghain would die at the Landsmeet, Daveth would have been hung, Anders would have been killed by the Templar, ect.) and so are unlikely to leave. After the Blight is over, however, the Warden's personal problems that caused them to need to be recruited in the first place are resolved and so they can return if they so choose. They won't really stop being a Warden, though, and should they live until their calling they'll be driven to the Deep Roads eventually (and how convenient is it that it's only a short walk from Orzammar?)

If the Warden can becomg prince/princess-consort, go visit Sten's land, go on random travels, or just stay at court and have influence, they can certainly just go back to Orzammar. In fact, given the proximity of the Deep Roads they could actually do more Warden-like things than most of the other options.

As a castless they threw me out... returning as a warrior caste member would be awesome.... so me the respect!

You're only a Warrior for a few months. After you become a Paragon you and your family are nobles, so as long as you don't ****** off those with more influence than you you can basically do whatever you want.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 04 avril 2010 - 07:20 .