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[Radahldo]

I'm late to the harry potter talk



Oghren- Hufflepuff

Zevran- Ravenclaw

Alistair- Griffyndor

Lelianna- Ravenclaw

Morrigan- Slytherin

Sten- Hufflepuff

Loghain- Griffyndor

Wynne- Ravenclaw

Shale- Griffyndor

So, wow. Just saw the expedition through the Aeducan Thaig in the DN Origin and WOW Ivo and (especially the Scout) are really suspicious. They're clearly surprised you're not dead yet, demand to know what you're whispering about, claim the Shield is 'just a shield' and isn't very impressive...if they weren't so sure that the DN would soon be arrested for Trian's murder they wouldn't dare be so impertinent.

The scout,if you select "someone must've stolen trians ring" says ; "As blind as a rock this one is"

I'm really surprised Gorim, or the DN wasnt presented with an option to kill him right there.

[Sarah1281]

Radahldo wrote...
The scout,if you select "someone must've stolen trians ring" says ; "As blind as a rock this one is"
I'm really surprised Gorim, or the DN wasnt presented with an option to kill him right there.

 At least you get to kill him later. I kind of got the impression he really seemed to dislike you, which is weird because you probably never encountered him before. Did he just hate entitled nobles and the clear nepotism behind your command? At least Ivo seemed to hesitate and Bhelen had to glare pointedly before he condemned you.

[KnightofPhoenix]

thegreateski wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
He is the descendant of Altair, who is an Arab.

. . . . . . doesn't that mean he's also of English decent?

....How?

[Nonvita]

Radahldo wrote...

I'm late to the harry potter talk

Oghren- Hufflepuff
Zevran- Ravenclaw
Alistair- Griffyndor
Lelianna- Ravenclaw
Morrigan- Slytherin
Sten- Hufflepuff
Loghain- Griffyndor
Wynne- Ravenclaw
Shale- Griffyndor

I still vote Leliana for Hufflepuff.

AND DON'T PUT WYNNE IN MY FAVORITE HOUSE. *readies the murder knife*

[thegreateski]

Yeah . . . the Dwarf Noble's family life kinda sucks.



In fact the whole Dwarf noble story is just tragic.



Older brother hates you, younger brother betrays you, father would rather save face politically then help you, and the mother as been dead for who knows how long.



I found it funny in my playthrough how Trian, the brother who hates you, is the one not interested in killing you. I've always assumed that those Dwarfs you find in the Aeducan thaig are the ones who Bhelen hired to kill Trian and take his ring. Then you go and kill them all and take the ring back from them.



How . . . tidy of Bhelen.

[Cuddlezarro]

Nonvita wrote...

Radahldo wrote...

I'm late to the harry potter talk

Oghren- Hufflepuff
Zevran- Ravenclaw
Alistair- Griffyndor
Lelianna- Ravenclaw
Morrigan- Slytherin
Sten- Hufflepuff
Loghain- Griffyndor
Wynne- Ravenclaw
Shale- Griffyndor

I still vote Leliana for Hufflepuff.

AND DON'T PUT WYNNE IN MY FAVORITE HOUSE. *readies the murder knife*

[thegreateski]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
He is the descendant of Altair, who is an Arab.

. . . . . . doesn't that mean he's also of English decent?

....How?

Well someone had to carry the kid around for eight months didn't they?

[soignee]

we're on page 69.

I DEMAND SMUT.

NAKED HOT DWARVES OF EITHER SEX, LET'S GO

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Is it just me or was anyone else more pissed at Endrin than Bhelen for the DN exile? I mean, Bhelen set it all up, granted, but his motives were very clear: he wanted the throne. Endrin never seemed to really like Bhelen all that much, relied on Trian, and adored the DN. Even so, once Trian died and Bhelen's bribery ensured the DN didn't even get a token trial before being fed to darkspawn (was he really that afraid that if she got a chance to defend herself the Assembly would ignore the bribes and find her innocent?) then Endrin was the only person in Orzammar who could have overruled that decision. He chose not to but couldn't even be bothered to see her off before he more-or-less got her killed. Strike one.

When you meet up with Gorim again, he gives you a note from Endrin apologizing and saying that he didn't believe you were guilty but he didn't want another House to get the throne. That's a perfectly understandable motivation and the most logical thing to do in the sitution. Still, it sucks for the DN that he'd feed her, his favorite child, to the darkspawn just to avoid a scandal and as the only way there would be a scandal would be if Bhelen was also involved, he knew that he did it to benefit the actual guilty party. Strike two.

Then, when you finally arrive back at Orzammar you find out that apparently for whatever reason (it could be because of what he did to Trian and the DN but since he already knew about that I think it's more likely he realized how progressive Bhelen was) he couldn't go through with putting Bhelen on the throne and had chosen Harrowmont instead. Sure there's no confirmation that Endrin chose Harrowmont but the note seems to indicate that he did and Harrowmont is far too old and traditional to suddenly decide to pull a coup, especially since his House only rose out of obscurity through his ties to Endrin. So basically Endrin never believed the DN killed Trian (regardless of whether she did or not) but he was willing to send her to her death with only a little better equipment then most condemned prisoners get and without a trial with her last memory of him being his ordering her arrest all for the sake of keeping the throne...and then at the last second he decides the throne isn't all-important after-all and he'd rather have a more traditional ruler. In that case, what the hell was the point in exiling her?!?! Endrin was the King so the only repercussion he would have faced would have been a different House potentially inheriting the throne, which he wanted at the end anyway. Strike three.

Agreed.
The thrid point however might be viewed differently. If I remember correctly, Endrin wanted to avoid a scandal upon the house. That does not necessarily mean he wants to keep the throne for his house. Just keep their reputation. It's a possibility.

Or, and I think it is possible, Harrowmont had his way with a weakened and depressed Endrin and convinced him to alienate Bhelen. I do not think Harrowmont is as innocent as he would want us to believe.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 21 avril 2010 - 10:37 .

[Radahldo]

I still vote Leliana for Hufflepuff.

AND DON'T PUT WYNNE IN MY FAVORITE HOUSE. *readies the murder knife*

I didnt know where to sort her. She lacks any real ambition beyond embodying virtues, not really all that clever; and her sense of munificience,loyalty and bravery seem to all have came later in her life.

So her only individuating feature would be her intelligence.

Ravenclaw it is with Griffyndor a far second.

Usually people get thrown into hufflepuff for a paucity of noteworthy traits, but there it is

Modifié par Radahldo, 21 avril 2010 - 10:38 .

[Cuddlezarro]

soignee wrote...

we're on page 69.
I DEMAND SMUT.
NAKED HOT DWARVES OF EITHER SEX, LET'S GO

[Herr Uhl]

A musing about the DN, is your mother dead or is it just common practice for nobles not to meet their mothers much?

[Cuddlezarro]

Herr Uhl wrote...

A musing about the DN, is your mother dead or is it just common practice for nobles not to meet their mothers much?

I dont recall your mom ever being brought up =/

the casteless's father is but he left when you was a kid but your mom as a noble...nope

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 21 avril 2010 - 10:40 .

[Nonvita]

soignee wrote...

we're on page 69.
I DEMAND SMUT.
NAKED HOT DWARVES OF EITHER SEX, LET'S GO

Not purely dwarfness, but she is the hottest of the three.

quizzicalkisses.deviantart.com/art/The-BannHammer-159829671

And there's never not a time for some BannHammer.

[Radahldo]

Herr Uhl wrote...

A musing about the DN, is your mother dead or is it just common practice for nobles not to meet their mothers much?

You can say she's dead, and that old woman at your feast  uses a past tense when referring to her.  I'm not sure why they would make it cannon that she "died a long time ago" but whatever, thats what you can tell morrigan.

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Agreed.
The thrid point however might be viewed differently. If I remember correctly, Endrin wanted to avoid a scandal upon the house. That does not necessarily mean he wants to keep the throne for his house. Just keep their reputation. It's a possibility.

Or, and I think it is possible, Harrowmont had his way with a weakened and depressed Endrin and convinced him to alienate Bhelen. I do not think Harrowmont is as innocent as he would want us to believe.

If Harrowmont and Bhelen can be trusted on this matter (and since they actually agreed they probably can), Endrin  probably spent every moment from the time you left to his death idolizing you (and Trian but at least you weren't conclusively dead and your exile was his fault) and even though he wanted to see you again, it was probably better for him that he didn't because that would NOT have been a pleasant reunion for him.

Endrin's note says: "I allowed you to be exiled because I feared an inquiry into Trian’s murder would taint our house with scandal in the eyes of the deshyrs and cost our family the throne" so it was really a bit of both. Scandal could be overcome just not soon enough to ensure the throne stayed with the Aeducans. And I don't think Harrowmont's innocent, exactly, just that he loved Endrin too much to go against his last wishes. If, however, he managed to convince the King how evil Bhelen was and what a horrible ruler he'd make (which he mentions to the DN he intends to do) then he'd be able to both respect Endrin's wishes and stop Bhelen, who seemed to hate him even before Harrowmont started opposing his succession.

Actually, Endrin choosing Harrowmont was another reason to support Bhelen. I didn't want the exile to be for nothing and I wanted a chance to get back at Endrin for leaving me to die with a far flimsier reason than Bhelen had.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 21 avril 2010 - 10:47 .

[Sarah1281]

Radahldo wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

A musing about the DN, is your mother dead or is it just common practice for nobles not to meet their mothers much?

You can say she's dead, and that old woman at your feast  uses a past tense when referring to her.  I'm not sure why they would make it cannon that she "died a long time ago" but whatever, thats what you can tell morrigan.

Yes, Lady Helmi was the only one who brought her up and since she's the deshyr Lord Helmi and Adal's mother and everyone (including Danek himself) says that she tells him how to run the House I don't think there was any issue of her not being a part of their lives. Maybe if the mother is castelss they have a limited interaction as they get older but as the DN can be female at least her mother had to have been a noble, whoever Trian or Bhelen's mother might have been.

[ejoslin]

soignee wrote...

we're on page 69.
I DEMAND SMUT.
NAKED HOT DWARVES OF EITHER SEX, LET'S GO

Best I could do on short notice.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Endrin's note says: "I allowed you to be exiled because I feared an inquiry into Trian’s murder would taint our house with scandal in the eyes of the deshyrs and cost our family the throne"

Forgot about that part.

Yea Endrin screwed up big time, if he truly didn't want Bhelen to get the throne. And that's still an if to me. It's not clear what he wanted, or even if he wanted anything.

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Yes, Lady Helmi was the only one who brought her up and since she's the deshyr Lord Helmi and Adal's mother and everyone (including Danek himself) says that she tells him how to run the House I don't think there was any issue of her not being a part of their lives. Maybe if the mother is castelss they have a limited interaction as they get older but as the DN can be female at least her mother had to have been a noble, whoever Trian or Bhelen's mother might have been.

Well, Gaider confirmed the DN mother being noble way back. I just find it strange that she is mentioned to such a small extent, when she is a big part of all other origins (Mage excluded).

[Sarah1281]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Yes, Lady Helmi was the only one who brought her up and since she's the deshyr Lord Helmi and Adal's mother and everyone (including Danek himself) says that she tells him how to run the House I don't think there was any issue of her not being a part of their lives. Maybe if the mother is castelss they have a limited interaction as they get older but as the DN can be female at least her mother had to have been a noble, whoever Trian or Bhelen's mother might have been.

Well, Gaider confirmed the DN mother being noble way back. I just find it strange that she is mentioned to such a small extent, when she is a big part of all other origins (Mage excluded).

DE only hears about her mother if she passes a persuade check and CE only has their mother mentioned as being killed for being too noticeable and teaching the CE to fight. The only ones who actually still had a mother were the DC who would probably be better off without their mother and the HN who needed a perfect nuclear family to lose horribly when Howe attacks. Still, you'd think the former Queen of Orzammar would at least get a name...

[soignee]

art by Tahara

art by Marinelli

Both of these are Aimos!

Modifié par soignee, 21 avril 2010 - 10:56 .

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Well, Gaider confirmed the DN mother being noble way back. I just find it strange that she is mentioned to such a small extent, when she is a big part of all other origins (Mage excluded).

DE only hears about her mother if she passes a persuade check and CE only has their mother mentioned as being killed for being too noticeable and teaching the CE to fight. The only ones who actually still had a mother were the DC who would probably be better off without their mother and the HN who needed a perfect nuclear family to lose horribly when Howe attacks. Still, you'd think the former Queen of Orzammar would at least get a name...

In the DE it's a subplot to the origin, and you know her to be dead at least. The CE's mom is the reason that the CE is an origin. DC has mom to loathe. HN's mom had the biggest role of all NPC's in that origin. The mage has no family.

In the DN we only get vague indications of her being dead.

[Radahldo]

I think the DN origin would've benefited moreso from a "nanny" being present than the HN did.

[Sarah1281]

Radahldo wrote...

I think the DN origin would've benefited moreso from a "nanny" being present than the HN did.

On the other hand, does she really need more family members to betray her?