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[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Radahldo wrote...

I think the DN origin would've benefited moreso from a "nanny" being present than the HN did.

On the other hand, does she really need more family members to betray her?

A mother could have taken Harrowmont's role when sending you off for instance. No need for betrayal. But the mother and Endrin dieing between recruitment and return would be a little strange though.

[soignee]

Everyone has ****ing parental issues in this game like woah. Including companions!

Zevran=LOLOL I KILLED HER WHEN SHE BIRTHED ME AMIRITE

Morrigan= just kill her for me? Thanks

Alistair= My daddy was king, also my mother? Some maid, idk

Leliana=Can't remember what she was like but remember her smell... Also I have a weird mentor/pupil relationship

Wynne= mother figure with child abandonment issues

[Herr Uhl]

Sten has the healthiest relationship, none at all. And he is fine with it.

[Sarah1281]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Radahldo wrote...

I think the DN origin would've benefited moreso from a "nanny" being present than the HN did.

On the other hand, does she really need more family members to betray her?

A mother could have taken Harrowmont's role when sending you off for instance. No need for betrayal. But the mother and Endrin dieing between recruitment and return would be a little strange though.

That takes away a good portion of the DN's motivation to side with Harrowmont over their family, though. And if the DN's mother was alive and the Queen of Orzammar if she couldn't manage to try and talk her husband into rethinking his plan to lose two children to save the throne (which I can't imagine he was comfortable with to begin with) then she either completely fails at persuasion and probably wouldn't have been seen a useful marriage for the King (and according to Lady Helmi the DN's mother was decent at politics as she would have been appalled that the DN fell for Dace's spiel) or else was complicit in Bhelen's betrayal.

Harrowmont, at least, had no power to help her once Bhelen blocked his move to send her off to the Surface.

[thegreateski]

There's always room for more traitorous family members

[Nonvita]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sten has the healthiest relationship, none at all. And he is fine with it.

Not true. Asala is his family. Look how well losing it turned out.


No, pretty much everything in this game can be traced back to family issues.

[thegreateski]

Nonvita wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sten has the healthiest relationship, none at all. And he is fine with it.

Not true. Asala is his family. Look how well losing it turned out.


No, pretty much everything in this game can be traced back to family issues.

Except Oghren.

[soignee]

thegreateski wrote...

Nonvita wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sten has the healthiest relationship, none at all. And he is fine with it.

Not true. Asala is his family. Look how well losing it turned out.


No, pretty much everything in this game can be traced back to family issues.

Except Oghren.

His is woman problems.

[Radahldo]

thegreateski wrote...

Nonvita wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sten has the healthiest relationship, none at all. And he is fine with it.

Not true. Asala is his family. Look how well losing it turned out.


No, pretty much everything in this game can be traced back to family issues.

Except Oghren.

Oghren, Stop wetting on the table!

[Herr Uhl]

thegreateski wrote...

Nonvita wrote...
No, pretty much everything in this game can be traced back to family issues.

Except Oghren.

I remember something about his wife and whole clan leaving him, but I might have misunderstood that.

Dog has no family issues though.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 21 avril 2010 - 11:24 .

[Sarah1281]

Herr Uhl wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Nonvita wrote...
No, pretty much everything in this game can be traced back to family issues.

Except Oghren.

I remember something about his wife and whole clan leaving him, but I might have misunderstood that.

Dog has no family issues though.

Are you sure? His whole castle died and, if you're not a HN, so did his former imprint.

[thegreateski]

Let me clarify.



Oghren does not have family issues because he is busy createing them.

[Herr Uhl]

But that isn't family.



The closest Sten would have had to family would have been his band of bro's though.

[Herr Uhl]

thegreateski wrote...

Let me clarify.

Oghren does not have family issues because he is busy createing them.

Nightmares about his ex and her lesbian lover isn't issues...

Riiiight.

[Radahldo]

thegreateski wrote...

Let me clarify.

Oghren does not have family issues because he is busy createing them.

Except with Branka, which lead to lingering guilt and suspicion that a child would've precluded the death of his whole house..

Modifié par Radahldo, 21 avril 2010 - 11:30 .

[Sarah1281]

Oghren lost his entire family (including any surviving parents or siblings) when Branka lead her and Oghren's merged household (which happened when she became a Paragon) into the Deep Roads and fed them to darkspawn. So really, I think he has more family issues than anyone.

[Sarah1281]

Radahldo wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Let me clarify.

Oghren does not have family issues because he is busy createing them.

Except with Branka, which lead to lingering guilt and suspicion that a child would've precluded the death of his whole house..

I doubt it. Branka doesn't really seem the 'mothering' type so even if she'd had a baby the best she would have done for it would have been to leave it with Oghren and even that might have been just to avoid being slowed down/distracted from the Anvil.

[Radahldo]

I realize its for gameplay reasons, but it did always strike me as sorta sad Oghren was walking around in full armor when he can't carry weapons.

[thegreateski]

Radahldo wrote...

I realize its for gameplay reasons, but it did always strike me as sorta sad Oghren was walking around in full armor when he can't carry weapons.

The armor comes in handy when he's drinking.

[Gilsa]

Catching up really quick!

Re: Dagna art -- that's awesome! MOAR!

@Sarah -- Yes, my dwarf was mad that Endrin cared more about appearances than her innocence, but he seemed to have suffered greatly for this and the conversation with Gorim seemed to provide balm for the wound. In addition to that, he tried to make amends with the letter before he died, etc, and didn't want Bhelen on the throne. She closed the book on any grievences with the father.

Re: Not being able to kill Hespith -- The VO notes actually say that she committed suicide right after you killed the Broodmother. That was news to me because it was never obvious to me that she was dead. I thought she simply disappeared or slunk away.

Hespith: "That's where they come from. That's why they hate us... that's why they need us. That's why they take us... that's why they feed us."  (VO: Speaking to no one, drained. She's just witness the death of a monstrous beast that used to be her friend. She may become one herself. "This is the big horrible thing I was trying to tell you. The monsters come from us. No one wants to know this.")

Hespith: "But the true abomination... is not that it occurred, but that it was allowed. Branka... my love...." (VO: Distant. Looking away from the dead monster. "But the reason we are here, is because someone I trusted did something worse. And they don't have the excuse of being a monster.")

Hespith: "The Stone has punished me, dream-friend. I am dying of something worse than death." (VO: Sadly. "I trusted too much and I will probably die like all my friends. But what's worse is that I was abandoned to this fate.")

Hespith: "Betrayal." (VO: Sadly. "Everything I trusted was a lie. There's nothing left."  She simply steps off a ledge and kills herself after this.)

*END DIALOGUE* (SET: ORZ_HESPITH_KILLED)  Action: Hespith walks off the edge of whatever she's standing on, and falls to her death. Preferably down one of the crevices that border the broodmother's room, but we'll take what we can get.

Modifié par Gilsa, 21 avril 2010 - 11:45 .

[Herr Uhl]

So, Hespith dies. Neat.

[thegreateski]

Herr Uhl wrote...

So, Hespith dies. Neat.

I did not know this.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Gilsa wrote...
*END DIALOGUE* (SET: ORZ_HESPITH_KILLED)  Action: Hespith walks off the edge of whatever she's standing on, and falls to her death. Preferably down one of the crevices that border the broodmother's room, but we'll take what we can get.

Another example of the game expecting us to believe something it didn't show us.
 
Oh well, I am glad Hespith is dead. But I wanted to kill her!  
And say cool lines like "I am going to put you out of your misery". It's not fair.

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

@Sarah -- Yes, my dwarf was mad that Endrin cared more about appearances than her innocence, but he seemed to have suffered greatly for this and the conversation with Gorim seemed to provide balm for the wound. In addition to that, he tried to make amends with the letter before he died, etc, and didn't want Bhelen on the throne. She closed the book on any grievences with the father.

Yes, he felt guilty but that wasn't much help to the DN and he didn't even know if she was still alive. In the other Origins you can find out he asked Harrowmont to send out searches for her but you'd think if it happened Harrowmont might have mentioned it. To me, it's a fine example of 'too little, too late.' His guilt and second thoughts came far too late to be of any use and just the fact he would do that in the first place and then make his sacrifice of her completely pointless by (probably) naming Harrowmont his heir? He's REALLY lucky he was already dead when she got back...

What were his VO cues when he finds the body like? Did it look like he doubted her?

And yeah, Hespith's suicide is so incredibly vague that I just thought she wandered off into the Deep Roads somewhere.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 21 avril 2010 - 11:55 .

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Gilsa wrote...
*END DIALOGUE* (SET: ORZ_HESPITH_KILLED)  Action: Hespith walks off the edge of whatever she's standing on, and falls to her death. Preferably down one of the crevices that border the broodmother's room, but we'll take what we can get.

Another example of the game expecting us to believe something it didn't show us.
 
Oh well, I am glad Hespith is dead. But I wanted to kill her!  
And say cool lines like "I am going to put you out of your misery". It's not fair.

Maybe the fall doesn't outright kill her and you find her on your way towards Branka and do just that.