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[MOTpoetryION]

ive read many books no need for a crash course. i dont like the spin david put on the dwarfs they have always been a more loyal race with honor. all that blackmail ,poisoning each other stuff was just rubbish. i didnt like the spin he put on the elves as well in all my reading . i have always loved the elves they kept to them selves but when needed they helped humans fight. and where always respected and feared . i just dont like davids writing it stinks

Modifié par MOTpoetryION, 22 avril 2010 - 05:34 .

[Sarah1281]

soignee wrote...

MOTpoetryION wrote...

 but instead you had to be everyones
errand boy/ problem solver for them to agree to help. the treaties were useless in my eyes.

Are you new to politics?

And it's not like they didn't want to help you (well, not all of them didn't). The Templars and werewolves weren't obligated to help by the treaties. The mages were a little busy being hunted down and turned into abominations. The Dalish elf clan you found was under attack by werewolves and had reason to believe that the attacks would get worse and they could all be killed so they needed to save their strength to deal with them. The dwarf King was the only one obligated by the treaties to do anything and the dwarves didn't have a King. While after you saved them they probably would have helped without the treaties, if it weren't for the treaties you wouldn't have been able to approach them and be in a position to help in the first place.

[Costin_Razvan]

What the writers did was make them realistic, unlike Tolkien. As for the treaties I also think they are useless, they merely helped you at the start of each zone, but you could have done the quest without them, would have been a bit more complicated that is all.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 22 avril 2010 - 05:40 .

[Sarah1281]

MOTpoetryION wrote...

ive read many books no need for a crash course. i dont like the spin david put on the dwarfs they have always been a more loyal race with honor. all that blackmail ,poisoning each other stuff was just rubbish. i didnt like the spin he put on the elves as well in all my reading . i have always loved the elves they kept to them selves but when needed they helped humans fight. and where always respected and feared . i just dont like davids writing it stinks

Loghain seems to share your view on the dwarves if his 'where's the famous steadfastness of the dwarves' at the Landsmeet is any indication so it's probably a common enough belief there, too. And honor is very important to the dwarves, which is why they go to great lengths to ensure that they're never caught.

The elves seem they used to be like they are in most fantasy series but they refused to become Andrastrian and didn't help out during a Blight when they had the troops but instead chose to watch a neighboring kingdom fall so after the Blight the humans got pissed and sacked their city in vengeance. They're just a subjugated people now, which makes sense given their history.

Just because you don't like the twists on the old fantasy cliches doesn't mean that it sucks, just that you'd prefer the cliches unaltered.

[MOTpoetryION]

i ended up hating both the dwarfs and elves because of his writings . he should of used the word seek instead of demand. demand does not means if you want to . its means now. dont get mad im just saying what i feel and i was not just including tolkien elves and dwarves i allways respected both races. but david managed to make me not. he included to much prejiduce in his writings IMO

[MOTpoetryION]

and let me say i have not read any of his books . it seems like you two might have so keek that in mind im only going by the story layed out in game nothing more

EDIT i used stinks not sucks . and yes i do like the way they have always been seen , so to me and my veiw his writing does stink.                                       i M h o

Modifié par MOTpoetryION, 22 avril 2010 - 05:55 .

[Herr Uhl]

MOTpoetryION wrote...

i ended up hating both the dwarfs and elves because of his writings . he should of used the word seek instead of demand. demand does not means if you want to . its means now.

Where should he have used it?

[Sarah1281]

MOTpoetryION wrote...

and let me say i have not read any of his books . it seems like you two might have so keek that in mind im only going by the story layed out in game nothing more

I haven't read them either. It's hard to really get a feel for the different locations and where the people are coming from without playing through that Origin. If you were only going to do one dwarf origin, though, I'd recommend the DN as playing as a DC is just likely to make you hate everyone except Rica and maybe Leske more.

[MOTpoetryION]

so what origin do you suggest i play ?

herr in the treadies not the word demand help but seek

EDIT im sorry you guys but no writer has ever done that to me made me hate two races  that i have always liked in one instance

Modifié par MOTpoetryION, 22 avril 2010 - 06:01 .

[soignee]

Sarah1281 wrote...



DC is just likely to make you hate everyone except Rica and maybe Leske more.

~~~~Soignee's Obligatory Leske Is A Douche Comment Goes Here~~~~~*~~~

Modifié par soignee, 22 avril 2010 - 05:59 .

[Sarah1281]

MOTpoetryION wrote...

so what origin do you suggest i play ?

herr in the treadies not the word demand help but seek

Well you are demanding help from them and the minute they are in a position to do so, they provide troops. You really should play through all of the Origin stories even if you don't go any further to get a better understanding. If you were only going to play through one dwarf origin, though, playing as a Dwarf Commoner will make you hate Orzammar more. You definitely have some reason to hate parts of it at the end of the Dwarf Noble origin but you do see a lot of the good parts of Orzammar first and you get to understand the way dwarven politics works a lot better.

soignee wrote...

~~~~Soignee's Obligatory Leske Is A Douche Comment Goes Here~~~~~*~~~

I know, I know. But you have to admit that as far as the origin goes he's probably the second most likeable character (well, aside from Duncan but he's in all of the Origins so he doesn't count), as sad as that is given he won't stop talking about Rica. At least he doesn't say this to her?

[MOTpoetryION]

i thought the concept of making a game at the same time as writing the story would of been better then in the past games being after the story . . But now feel its a hard thing to do either way . having a story to read in game (codex) you use YOUR imagination  like a book for everything . but then have to accept someone elses veiw  instead . there are still inconsistansies both ways i just thought there would be less  inconsistansies in game
the way they made it this time . they did make the game at the same time as writing it  the story diddnt they ?

WAS edited to try and make it understandable hope it worked lol.

Modifié par MOTpoetryION, 22 avril 2010 - 07:56 .

[Sarah1281]

MOTpoetryION wrote...

i thought the concept of makeing a game at the same time as whritingthe story would of been better then past games being after the story . . But now feel its a hard thing to do compleatly . having a story as reading the story in game you use YOUR imagination for every thing . but then have to accept someone elses instead . Its a tough delema right there

What? 

[MOTpoetryION]

so a DN ok ill try maybe it will get me to play the DC . but you guys see how i feel though his writings made me hate two races in one swoop thats pretty hard to get past for me . thanks for your input and forgive me my spelling and all thanks everyone

EDIT : having a story that goes along with a game . on one side your reading codex useing YOUR imagination of what things are like   then playing the game and seeing it from the writers veiw  . they kind of clash for me . sorry its hard to explain  thats the best i can do   

Modifié par MOTpoetryION, 22 avril 2010 - 06:36 .

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

MOTpoetryION wrote...

i thought the concept of makeing a game at the same time as whritingthe story would of been better then past games being after the story . . But now feel its a hard thing to do compleatly . having a story as reading the story in game you use YOUR imagination for every thing . but then have to accept someone elses instead . Its a tough delema right there

What? 

I second this what?

[MOTpoetryION]

after reading the other post i see what you mean it was hard t o explain what i was trying to say just dont bother with that one i was kind of talking about two things at the same time is why its confusing im REALLY sorry about that one

EDIT  herr uhl   honest i have no cookies  

Modifié par MOTpoetryION, 22 avril 2010 - 06:35 .

[Urshakk]

MOTpoetryION wrote...

like the treaties you had the power to DEMAND help from all the races to fight the blight. but instead you had to be everyones

errand boy/ problem solver for them to agree to help. the treaties were useless in my eyes.

The treaty compels their king to help, which they don't have. That is the whole point of the "errands" you are talking about, you need to put a king on the throne. Secondly, the assembly doesn't care about the blight, the only things on their minds is the empty throne, so they won't even give you an audience until that is done. Also, if you could just go there, demand your aid, and leave what kind of gameplay would that be?

so what origin do you suggest i play ?

If you want to see dwarven politics first hand, play DN.

[Sarah1281]

Secondly, the assembly doesn't care about the blight, the only things on their minds is the empty throne, so they won't even give you an audience until that is done.

Remember, these are the people who laud Lady Dace as being 'practical' for willing to let everything else go to hell as long as House Dace profits. God, I think she pissed me off more than Branka AND Vartag did...combined!

[MOTpoetryION]

ok thanks and sorry to disagree but the treaties in the codex say gives you power to demand does not make other races compelled to help . and im just nit picking really if you could demand help the game would of been alot shorter i know ill just end this now . plus one of my games i beat it without even using the dwarves so i diddnt even need to bother with them , just saying lol
ok cool DN it is then thanks

hey whats up urshakk

EDIT and i just realised something you cant be a dwarf mage huh because they cant do magic. well rogue it is i guess

Modifié par MOTpoetryION, 22 avril 2010 - 07:42 .

[Sarah1281]

You do demand that they follow through on the treaties. Honoring the treaties is just a matter of, well, honor and so if Irving/Zathrian-Lenaya/Harrowmont-Bhelen really wanted to, they could give you the boot. There doesn't appear to be a penalty in place to not follow through on them as Duncan explains they were signed at the end of the last Blight when everyone still loved the Wardens more as a formality.

[Urshakk]

MOTpoetryION wrote...

ok thanks and sorry to disagree but the treaties in the codex say gives you power to demand does not make other races compelled to help .

I know, but like I said it is addressed to their king which they lack when you arrive.
 

plus one of my games i beat it without even using the dwarves so i diddnt even need to bother with them , just saying lol

Huh? Arl Eamon doesn't call for the Landsmeet till you do all the treaty quests...

ok cool DN it is then thanks

I think you'll like it. 

hey whats up urshakk

Hello there, not too much.

[MOTpoetryION]

oh ive finished the game a couple times already i just lost both of my charecters/games because of a hard drive crash and burn.      : (

EDIT would of been kind of cool to be able to appoint yourself  temp king.  was just a thought i had while playing like choosing to pick that one female dwarf instead of belen or harramont  . i was just saying i diddnt even use the dwarfs i killed arch without needing them . so techicly i COULD of not bothered with the dwarfs but still had to

Modifié par MOTpoetryION, 22 avril 2010 - 08:07 .

[MOTpoetryION]

my word sara  8 and   ½ thousand words just for the first chapter. you sure you diddnt help with the wheel of time books  . those books were huge

[Sarah1281]

MOTpoetryION wrote...

my word sara  8 and   ½ thousand words just for the first chapter. you sure you diddnt help with the wheel of time books  . those books were huge

...I really like the DN origin.

[Urshakk]

MOTpoetryION wrote...
i was just saying i diddnt even use the dwarfs i killed arch without needing them . so techicly i COULD of not bothered with the dwarfs but still had to

That's too bad, I use them for everything but the Archdemon. Combined with the Legion soldiers you get if you persuade Kardol, they are pretty effective and brutal.