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[soignee]

thegreateski wrote...

A turrent over one eye? Sounds . . . painful yet effective.

Does it fire cannonballs or something similar?

Just throws out the occasional filty look!

[Herr Uhl]

soignee wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

A turrent over one eye? Sounds . . . painful yet effective.

Does it fire cannonballs or something similar?

Just throws out the occasional filty look!

No sultry ones?

[soignee]

Herr Uhl wrote...

soignee wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

A turrent over one eye? Sounds . . . painful yet effective.

Does it fire cannonballs or something similar?

Just throws out the occasional filty look!

No sultry ones?

Perrrrrrrhaps. Maybe I should add a change to the sig? MISSA BROSCA: duster, turret lady, slag?

[Sarah1281]

Bhelen: DAMN YOU, PLOT ARMOR! DAMN YOU!

It's especially hard to deal with if it's the sister he tried to have killed a year earlier. Damned loose end...

Gilsa wrote...

Phew, happy to discuss it here. There are some places I go where me making Alistair a drunk is really not well-recieved so I'm always pleased to see logical discussions!
Another aspect to my noble is that she just lost her whole family overnight, so to speak, so Alistair also filled that role to a certain extent. Losing him at Landsmeet was deja vu. Did you play ME2? I see a lot of parallels between my ME1 romantic interest being pissed off at my character when he saw her again in ME2. He is convinced she is working with the enemy and walked away (although she did get an email afterwards apologizing for the outburst and the door is still opened a tiny crack for reconcilation). Alistair being pissed off at Landsmeet for siding with the enemy reminds me of the same ME2 scenario so I am hoping there will be character growth on his end and my character's, if they run into each other again. If not, oh well, I can't let a romance define my whole game. That would make my games pretty one-dimensional otherwise. =p

I've never let Alistair wander off to become a drunk myself because, well, it's a rebellion just waiting to happen. Still, it seems to work out in the end (except for Alistair) so no harm done by going that route. My Shepard didn't romance anyone in ME2 for the same reason Aunn doesn't in DA: closure is a must and Shepard didn't even have the two years Kaidan did to get over her (which he didn't seem to very well). Horizen hardly qualifies as 'closure' and that email made it less so. If I find out I refrained from going after Garrus and Kaidan become injured and unable to fight, has gotten married, and is expecting his first child...well I might just end up killing him. There's only so many times I can take that kind of thing and at least with Gorim it was a matter of practicality and survival.

Gilsa wrote...

Aye, I was pleasantly surprised when I saw his comments via the toolkit. I should look at it again to see if it activates the "forced conscription" flag because it didn't even look like he invoked the right of conscription on the noble. He just came across as a smooth talker.

I think that was more a necessity than anything else. If you refuse to go with Duncan who is your only chance of living then it's because you want to die down there (and it makes you wonder why you even sought him out in the first place). We've never seen anyone choose to ignore the right of conscription because in the other Origins if you try then the people around you insist that you have no choice. The DN already no longer exists in Orzammar and is all alone. If they refuse to be conscripted, what's Duncan going to do? Kill them? That's what they're looking for anyway so it won't be much of a deterrent and Duncan needs to persuade them to go.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I just finally finished my dwarf commoner run. I must say, it's my second favorite origin after the mage, tied with human noble. Dwarves just kick ass on so many different fronts.

[Gilsa]

@Remaix -- She's a knockout!

@Skadi -- *fistbump*

@Sarah -- If you didn't kill Trian, then you simply don't get that line as an option, from what I can tell. The only other dialogue that changes based on the murder is below (after you choose or not to explain your situation):

Duncan: "I see. The brutal intrigue of the dwarven court continues, then. Your father intimated as much." (sadness, concern)
(IF: MurderPlot) Duncan: "I will not ask what happened. You are the child of my old friend, and do not deserve to die in this pit."
(IF: NOT MurderPlot) Duncan: "There is no reason for you to walk these Deep Roads and die for something you did not do." (polite, respectful)

Then he invites you to join. Your available responses are:

1. I would be honored.
2. I accept.
3. Well, I can't see as I have much choice.
(Murder only) 4. I cannot. For what I did, I deserve this death.
5. If it gets me out of the Deep Roads, I'm yours.

All of the above except 4 leads to "Then welcome, we leave for Ostagar" blah blah blah.

Modifié par Gilsa, 23 avril 2010 - 06:02 .

[Sarah1281]

(IF: NOT MurderPlot) Duncan: "There is no reason for you to walk these Deep Roads and die for something you did not do." (polite, respectful)

Since I do happen to respect the will of the Assembly (although why is another matter entirely) then I can't COMPLETELY go against the 'punishment' but since they told me to go into the Deep Roads and to die fighting darkspawn, I always figure that as a GW it'll happen at some point anyway and Blights are Serious Business.

[Radahldo]

I think that was more a necessity than anything else. If you refuse to go with Duncan who is your only chance of living then it's because you want to die down there (and it makes you wonder why you even sought him out in the first place). We've never seen anyone choose to ignore the right of conscription because in the other Origins if you try then the people around you insist that you have no choice. The DN already no longer exists in Orzammar and is all alone. If they refuse to be conscripted, what's Duncan going to do? Kill them? That's what they're looking for anyway so it won't be much of a deterrent and Duncan needs to persuade them to go.

At most, you can select "I'll consider it" when Gorim tells you the Wardens are in the tunnels. In light of that, it felt more like I was wandering around rather than searching for Duncan. And the dialog you get when talking to Duncan can continue that sorta disorientedness/guilt



Also, has anyone played around with Trian to hear his battle-cries? On this playthrough I think I heard "whhhhy" during the finishing-animation.

[Sarah1281]

Also, has anyone played around with Trian to hear his battle-cries? On this playthrough I think I heard "whhhhy" during the finishing-animation.

Why? Maybe because he freaking ambushed his sister and was willing to take some random scout deciding to ignore her express order to surrender as proof she was a traitor. If I ever manage to get that situation in a playthrough I get the feeling I'll lose a lot of sympathy for him on account of him being a moron.

[thegreateski]

Endrin: What has happened here?!

DN: I killed Trian. Well . . . to be more accurate, I was conspiring to kill Trian but he discovered it and I surrendered to him but the scout here decided to attack him and as a result Trian lost all of his sanity and tried to kill all of us instead of just the scout.

DN: Try not to feel bad father. He was an idiot. I put him out of his misery.

[Sarah1281]

thegreateski wrote...

Endrin: What has happened here?!
DN: I killed Trian. Well . . . to be more accurate, I was conspiring to kill Trian but he discovered it and I surrendered to him but the scout here decided to attack him and as a result Trian lost all of his sanity and tried to kill all of us instead of just the scout.
DN: Try not to feel bad father. He was an idiot. I put him out of his misery.

 Oh, if only...I bet no one would be surpised, either. They'd probably thank you.

[Dark Lilith]

I did it as a female dwarven rogue..lovability 100%

[Sarah1281]

So I had a question soignee: I know all about your burning Leske hatred but when did that start? Was it in the Origin when he said something about Rica right after Beraht did or did that come later when he was a moron and sold you out to JARVIA of all people?

[soignee]

idk, the fact he hit on my sister? The fact he refused to better himself even when I offered him a way out? The fact I had to kill the douche? The fact he wanted me to succeed but still did what he did?

I would mention that my views are different to how I write Missa's.

[Sarah1281]

soignee wrote...

idk, the fact he hit on my sister? The fact he refused to better himself even when I offered him a way out? The fact I had to kill the douche? The fact he wanted me to succeed but still did what he did?
I would mention that my views are different to how I write Missa's.

Well, naturally. It's like with the mages and Jowan; the game insists that you're friends even if you just can't understand why.

And so it was 'stay away from my sister, you pervert' from the first and he just continued to fall in your estimation from there?

I know I kind of liked him at first but (unlike with all of the other Origin guys) I just couldn't see my character being attracted to him so he was just the friend who needed to shut up about my sister.

[Cuddlezarro]

Sarah1281 wrote...

soignee wrote...

idk, the fact he hit on my sister? The fact he refused to better himself even when I offered him a way out? The fact I had to kill the douche? The fact he wanted me to succeed but still did what he did?
I would mention that my views are different to how I write Missa's.

Well, naturally. It's like with the mages and Jowan; the game insists that you're friends even if you just can't understand why.

And so it was 'stay away from my sister, you pervert' from the first and he just continued to fall in your estimation from there?

I know I kind of liked him at first but (unlike with all of the other Origin guys) I just couldn't see my character being attracted to him so he was just the friend who needed to shut up about my sister.

I played my mage as  the hated Jowan but for some reason jowan thought he liked him kind of thing

its happened to me in real life... atleast until I graduated highschool

[Sarah1281]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

soignee wrote...

idk, the fact he hit on my sister? The fact he refused to better himself even when I offered him a way out? The fact I had to kill the douche? The fact he wanted me to succeed but still did what he did?
I would mention that my views are different to how I write Missa's.

Well, naturally. It's like with the mages and Jowan; the game insists that you're friends even if you just can't understand why.

And so it was 'stay away from my sister, you pervert' from the first and he just continued to fall in your estimation from there?

I know I kind of liked him at first but (unlike with all of the other Origin guys) I just couldn't see my character being attracted to him so he was just the friend who needed to shut up about my sister.

I played my mage as  the hated Jowan but for some reason jowan thought he liked him kind of thing

its happened to me in real life... atleast until I graduated highschool

Well, I could certaily see Jowan being so annoying no one else will even talk to him and while I still don't get why a Chantry initiate like Lily would risk Aeonar for Jowan of all people, she and the Mage Warden never met so wouldn't know that he hated Jowan.

[Sannox]

I struggled to 'feel' a friendship with Jowan, but i found it easier with Leske. It's a long time now since I played that origin and I can't remember how I felt about him hitting on my sister. Why shouldn't he?



(Maybe it's time for me to make another dwarf).

[soignee]

Sannox wrote...

I struggled to 'feel' a friendship with Jowan, but i found it easier with Leske. It's a long time now since I played that origin and I can't remember how I felt about him hitting on my sister. Why shouldn't he?

(Maybe it's time for me to make another dwarf).

Yeah it's more annoying then anything. "SPICY SISTER OF YOURS, KA-ro-"
*armpunch* "shut up, Leske".

ALSO GUIS GUIS I'VE DONE CHAPTER 16. It has Zevran sweaty bits in it again, it's ok. You can ignore it if you don't like it.

[Sarah1281]

I struggled to 'feel' a friendship with Jowan, but i found it easier with Leske. It's a long time now since I played that origin and I can't remember how I felt about him hitting on my sister. Why shouldn't he?

Why shouldn't he? Well since Rica's whoring herself out you already have to think about her having sex more than you should so the last thing you need is for your supposed best friend to keep your mind on that particular subject. And since he knows it bothers you he should shut up about it AROUND you. I know that if I had a friend that wouldn't shut up about how much they wanted to have sex with one of my brothers even though I keep telling them to drop it then we would certainly have problems.

[soignee]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I struggled to 'feel' a friendship with Jowan, but i found it easier with Leske. It's a long time now since I played that origin and I can't remember how I felt about him hitting on my sister. Why shouldn't he?

Why shouldn't he? Well since Rica's whoring herself out you already have to think about her having sex more than you should so the last thing you need is for your supposed best friend to keep your mind on that particular subject. And since he knows it bothers you he should shut up about it AROUND you. I know that if I had a friend that wouldn't shut up about how much they wanted to have sex with one of my brothers even though I keep telling them to drop it then we would certainly have problems.

URGHHH SO SKEEEEVYYYYY. If you're a dude Brosca he says something along the lines of HAVE YOU EVER DONE IT WITH YOUR SISTER LOL and it's just...

*punches Leske some more*

[thegreateski]

Leske is an idiot.



but he's MY idiot. plus he knows that your sister is off limits (admits it if you press him about it)

[Sarah1281]

soignee wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I struggled to 'feel' a friendship with Jowan, but i found it easier with Leske. It's a long time now since I played that origin and I can't remember how I felt about him hitting on my sister. Why shouldn't he?

Why shouldn't he? Well since Rica's whoring herself out you already have to think about her having sex more than you should so the last thing you need is for your supposed best friend to keep your mind on that particular subject. And since he knows it bothers you he should shut up about it AROUND you. I know that if I had a friend that wouldn't shut up about how much they wanted to have sex with one of my brothers even though I keep telling them to drop it then we would certainly have problems.

URGHHH SO SKEEEEVYYYYY. If you're a dude Brosca he says something along the lines of HAVE YOU EVER DONE IT WITH YOUR SISTER LOL and it's just...

*punches Leske some more*

...Why? Just...why?  And he'd better be an only child or that's even more disturbing.

I bet you'e going to have fun killing Leske off now that you're finally in Orzammar.

[soignee]

Sarah1281 wrote...

 ...Why? Just...why?  And he'd better be an only child or that's even more disturbing.

I bet you'e going to have fun killing Leske off now that you're finally in Orzammar.

Me? Oh hell yes. Missa? Not so much.

[thegreateski]

soignee wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

 ...Why? Just...why?  And he'd better be an only child or that's even more disturbing.

I bet you'e going to have fun killing Leske off now that you're finally in Orzammar.

Me? Oh hell yes. Missa? Not so much.

Gotta love your party's reactions to murdering your best friend(?).

Oh wait . . .

Modifié par thegreateski, 24 avril 2010 - 04:18 .