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[Herr Uhl]

Gilsa wrote...

Gorim: "I will always love you, my lady." (VO: sincere, emotional)

And he always did.

Edit: Note that he did not say that he wouldn't love other people too.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 02 mai 2010 - 09:16 .

[Gilsa]

Gorim actually doesn't think he's good enough for you. He tries to explain this in Denerim as well.

[Sarah1281]

What song is that?

4. I'll be better off without you.
Gorim: "Very well, then. Goodbye, my Lady/Lord Aeducan." (VO: polite)

How is that a dialogue option?!?! He's telling you that he cares enough about you as a lover/friend/second that we wants to die with you and you can tell him 'thanks but no thanks'? Fail.

And how is he not good enough for you? At this point I'd be inclined to say he's the only freaking person in Orzammar who is!

Modifié par Sarah1281, 02 mai 2010 - 09:30 .

[Aisynia]

Aren't I the one who decides whether or not he's good enough for me?

[Herr Uhl]

*points at Alastair*



Didn't he have the same complex? It isn't that uncommon IRL either.



@Sarah You have to have an option for when following the way of the douche.

[Sarah1281]

Herr Uhl wrote...

*points at Alastair*

Didn't he have the same complex? It isn't that uncommon IRL either.

@Sarah You have to have an option for when following the way of the douche.

Except that most people IRL don't handle that by running off and getting married before you officially break up.

And I know, but damn. You'd almost have to take being a douch to new levels to reject an uber-loyal and talented warrior who wants to fight to the death to protect you.

[Gilsa]

Sarah1281 wrote...

What song is that?

"I will always love you" -- two different versions you can listen to: 

Dolly Parton (the original singer)


Whitney Houston

Modifié par Gilsa, 02 mai 2010 - 09:32 .

[Gilsa]

Last post for now since I have to go outside and weed the yard!







Love in DAO by sqbr!

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[Gilsa]

OK, one more post and then I go since Gorim is on the brain right now.



I was just thinking for my canon noble, if somehow Gorim's wife and child died in the onslaught of Denerim, I can very well seeing them get back together. She's a paragon now and has no problem having relationship with Gorim out in the open. Damn what everyone thinks. Gorim can be in charge of her house's day to day stuff while she is off in the Deep Roads. Someone brought up a good point about Aeducan thiag. I can see her leading an effort to reclaim that at the very least. If Gorim does have a wife and child that surived, OK, then. He always did right by her and she'll return the favor by providing for his family, especially his child, since she won't have any kids of her own and Gorim is as close as family she can get. She'll try to find Alistair at some point and make amends. I doubt I'll see Alistair again with the drunk ending because the toolset uses terminology like "Alistair leaves forever" if you go down a certain tree. Forever could just mean origins game or for all time, not coming back in any of the sequels, period.



I am going to make a second noble for romancing Alistair for expansions, but I won't really consider her as my canon dwarf though. I always get nostalgic when I look at Aimo's art and I am reminded of the fuzzy first-game-love feelings I had on my first playthrough. Kinda like how soignee calls it a first boyfriend syndrome. I will wait to hear about what they have planned for February first because I'd hate to waste all that time for nothing if Alistair isn't really going to be important in the future. Would rather just stick with my canon dwarf.

[Sarah1281]

Yeah, see if Gorim just had a wife I'd be fine if a building fell on her or something (there ARE casualties in war) but the kid...that makes it more complicated.


So, in the process of finishing up chapter three (Trian's death and getting exiled were so sad! It took me forever to write. I hate angst but in this case it was unavoidable... ), I was replaying part of Orzammar and wow I discovered all sorts of dialogue I never found before. For instance, if you tell Lady Dace who you are she laughs derisively and says 'the exile? You're House delcared you dead. I have no business with you.' Have I mentioned how much I hate her, yet? Bhelen's man in the tavern and Lord Helmi were very nice about it. I'm really starting to think that between Lady Helmi, Lord Helmi, Nerav, and Adal, House Helmi is just the second best House in all of Orzammar (the first being Aeducan, of course).


A lot of people were complaining a while back in this thread that Harrowmont shouldn't make the DN prove themself to him if they ended on good terms...well, he doesn't. Talking to Dulin and saying you would like an audience with Harrowmont he says that you may have convinced Harrowmont of your innocence but he's charged to protect the Lord, even from his own folly. Harrowmont always had too much affection for you (which bodes well for you succeeding him ) but he knows about the Aeducan thirst for glory and Bhelen has already sent several spies. HE won't let you talk to Harrowmont until HE'S convinced, not Harrowmont.


Vartag can actually be remarkably civil if you pass his two persuade checks about how you'd have done the same and that's just how politics are. And the random dwarven scholar in the Hall of Heroes? Talking to him has him recognize you and tell you how the scholar you saved in the beginning believes you were set up by Trian and is writing another book about the Aeducans. Then he wishes you well and leaves, which was better than my DN was expecting at that point and I was surprised settling that argument in the origin actually was mentioned later on. And you just know when you get back to Orzammar for good he's going to be your biggest fan.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 02 mai 2010 - 11:12 .

[Gilsa]

Oh, yeah, that's a tree I wanted to type up for later, but I forgot. Note to self: type up scholar reaction in hall of heroes when player returns. He has different reactions based on how you treated his mentor in origins. (I've been kicked off the main computer and am on a netbook in the kitchen while prison-guarding my rum-and-coke from the kid.)

[Sarah1281]

Gilsa wrote...

Oh, yeah, that's a tree I wanted to type up for later, but I forgot. Note to self: type up scholar reaction in hall of heroes when player returns. He has different reactions based on how you treated his mentor in origins. (I've been kicked off the main computer and am on a netbook in the kitchen while prison-guarding my rum-and-coke from the kid.)

Does he? I can't imagine why I'd side with Volney. I mean, the scholar wrote an awesome book on one of my favorite subjects (Paragon Aeducan) and was very polite and had nice things to say about me. Plus, it's never a good idea to ****** off those that write the history.

Volney, on the other hand, was surly and being unreasonable. I mean, if the vote is a matter of public record killing the scholar isn't going to make it go away. Not to mention that since he's not talkng about the Paragon Aeducan my House has no reason to take issue with him. Or are nobles supposed to 'stick together' now?

[Radahldo]

Does he? I can't imagine why I'd side with Volney. I mean, the scholar wrote an awesome book on one of my favorite subjects (Paragon Aeducan) and was very polite and had nice things to say about me. Plus, it's never a good idea to ****** off those that write the history.

I think someone says "we were taught as children to look past the truth of our ancestors" or something of that nature. In that way, I can kinda see siding with Bruntin, if everyone was seriously raised that way.
I can see a certain brand of DN agreeing with Bruntin in that disillusioning facts about Paragons should be swept under the rug.

However,I just don't like Bruntin. Is he supposed to be our friend? I am always suprised ther is no way to portray your character as not knowing Bruntin on a first-name basis.

he does kill the Scholar in a cool way, though

Modifié par Radahldo, 02 mai 2010 - 11:50 .

[Sarah1281]

He does it right on the street? What happens? Murder-knife? Dramatic axe?

[Radahldo]

Its just one the sword-shield deathblows. The one where they dig the sword in the persons chest, and then physically kick them off of the blade.



Gorim doesnt insult him afterwards, just goes "That scholar had the favor of many powerful men"

Either response you pick will have Bruntin not recognizing what he's done.

[Gilsa]

Do you want me to type up the scholar and brutin tree? I can do that before focusing on the halls of hero part. Doesn't make a difference to me.

[Sarah1281]

Either response you pick will have Bruntin not recognizing what he's done.

So canonically he's dead either way because if you don't have him killed then the scholar's backers (of which your House is among them) will? Well, unless you cop-out and just let him go.

Gilsa wrote...

Do you want me to type up the scholar and brutin tree? I can do that before focusing on the halls of hero part. Doesn't make a difference to me.

Like I'm really going to turn down the chance to learn more about the DN...

[Radahldo]

So canonically he's dead either way because if you don't have him killed then the scholar's backers (of which your House is among them) will? Well, unless you cop-out and just let him go.

It makes me wonder what those nearby Guardsmen are for. A fully armored man using threatening body-language at an older, seemingly unarmed man.

Modifié par Radahldo, 03 mai 2010 - 12:20 .

[Sarah1281]

Radahldo wrote...

So canonically he's dead either way because if you don't have him killed then the scholar's backers (of which your House is among them) will? Well, unless you cop-out and just let him go.

It makes me wonder what those nearby Guardsmen are for. A fully armored man using threatening body-language at an older, seemingly unarmed man.

Good question. They never seem to do anything except escort you to the Proving. Maybe if a fight breaks out they get involved?

And what caste are shapers part of, anyway? It's such a prestigious line of work and it's in the Diamond Quarter so...noble? Doesn't Vartag mention the head Shaper is a Harrowmont or has ties to them?

[thegreateski]

The Head Shaper is barely under the king himself . . . I imagine the regular Shapers would be on par with the nobles.

[Sarah1281]

thegreateski wrote...

The Head Shaper is barely under the king himself . . . I imagine the regular Shapers would be on par with the nobles.

So why does Volney feel free to execute the Shaper in broad daylight, not ten feet from the Palace, with witnesses everywhere? He fails at politics...

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

The Head Shaper is barely under the king himself . . . I imagine the regular Shapers would be on par with the nobles.

So why does Volney feel free to execute the Shaper in broad daylight, not ten feet from the Palace, with witnesses everywhere? He fails at politics...

I thought that was obvious. Killing people in the streets rarely is the sign of a good politician *looks at Bhelen*.

[Radahldo]

Bruntin just seems stupid in general. I'm sure there is some sorta dialog set up between the Shapers and etc houses where compromises are met in regards to what gets said and recorded about the Paragons; I highly doubt Bruntin was selected by House Vollneys for this matter.

You would think the scholar would have a Second or some other thing to buffer him against wild, indignant stupidity like this.

When my DN becomes a paragon, I'm not sure how the Shapers will handle whole kinslaying episode. Especially if Paragon Vollney gets disparaged for a series of seemingly unrecorded completely speculative events,

Modifié par Radahldo, 03 mai 2010 - 12:42 .

[Sarah1281]

I thought that was obvious. Killing people in the streets rarely is the sign of a good politician *looks at Bhelen*.

Bhelen never kills someone in the street, does he? Just one of his followers.

Bruntin just seems stupid in general. I'm sure there is some sorta dialog set up between the Shapers and etc houses where compromises are met in regards to what gets said and recorded about the Paragons; I highly doubt Bruntin was selected by House Vollneys for this matter.

You would think the Shaper would a Second or some other thing to buffer him against wild, indignant stupidity like this.

When my DN becomes a paragon, I'm not sure how th e Shapers will handle whole kinslaying episode. Especially if Paragon Vollney gets disparaged for a series of seemingly unrecorded completely speculative events

Yeah, if you choose to let everyone know why he died then everyone you talk to called him an idiot they were better off without. The shaper shouldn't have needed a bodyguard as the palace is right nex to the shaperate and there were guards everywhere. Useless guards, but guards. Wasn't Volney's problem that it was the closest vote in history? Naturally that lead to rumors of blackmail, intimidation, ect (which were probably true) but just the fact that they barely qualified to be noble is embarrassing. Unlike, say, the unanimous Aeducan and dwarf warden votes.

I think that as far as the Kinslaying incident is concerned, Harrowmont as King will see to Bhelen being held responsible (at least if you convince him you're innocent). If Bhelen is King he wouldn't be able to take you back into House Aeducan as a Kinslayer so he'd either point the finger at Harrowmont to further punish him for opposing him and because Harrowmont only got the opportunity to try for the throne once you and Trian were out of the way or he'd blame darkspawn or the carta.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 03 mai 2010 - 12:48 .

[soignee]

Gilsa wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

What song is that?

"I will always love you" -- two different versions you can listen to: 

Dolly Parton (the original singer)


Whitney Houston

This is my Gorim song. In my bitterness I even made the lyrics dwarf related....

want you to know, that I am happy for you
I wish nothing but the
best for you both
An older version of me
Is she perverted like me?
Would she go down on you in a Proving?
Does she speak eloquently
And she had your baby?
Well I'm sure she'd make a really excellent mother

'Cause
the love that you gave that we made
Wasn't able to make it enough for you
To be open wide, no
And every time you speak her name
Does she know how you told me
You'd hold me until you died
Till you died, but you're still alive

And I'm here, to remind you
Of the mess you left when you went away
It's not fair, to deny me
Of the Brand I bear that you gave to me
You, you, you oughta know

You seem very well, things look peaceful
I'm not quite as well, I thought you should know
Did you forget about me, Mr. Duplicity?
I hate to bug you in the middle of Denerim
It was a slap in the face
How quickly I was replaced
And are you thinking of me when you f**k her?

'Cause
the love that you gave that we made
Wasn't able to make it enough
for you
To be open wide, no
And every time you speak her name
Doesshe know how you told me
You'd hold me until you died
Till you died,
but you're still alive
And I'm here, to remind you
Of the mess you left when you went away
It's not fair, to deny me
Of the Brand I bear that you gave to me
You, you, you oughta know

*dance
break with added voice over parts*

(Yeah so your dick wasn’t crippled then? What the ****, Gorim, seriously. Married? With a kid? I came here- to find you. And you didn’t wait? What was I to you, a handy tumble? Keep me sweet so I could be kept in place? )

'Cause
the joke that you laid in the bed
That was me and I'm not gonna fade
As soon as you close your eyes, and you know it
And every time I scratch my nails
Down this Antivan’s back

(Zevran: Oh?
Something need… Assassinating?)

I hope you feel it
Well, can
you feel it?

(Zevran: Oooooh. A little lower.)

And
I'm here, to remind you
Of the mess you left when you went away
It's not fair, to deny me
Of the Brand I bear that you gave to me
You, you, you oughta know!

(AND NO I DO NOT WANT ANY OF YOUR "FINE DWARVEN CRAFTS" EITHER... I'VE SEEN THEM BEFORE AND FIND THEM PUNY AND LACKING, AND SORELY UNDERSTATED.)

*goes off to have angry rebound sex with Zevran some more and the dwarves from the Pearl*

Modifié par soignee, 03 mai 2010 - 01:03 .