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[JSS]

Dont get me wrong this game is awesome but after reading both books and only just playing the game for a lil while i have already picked up many mistakes in the lore. In the books it is said that Darkspawn dont eat anything and that the taint keeps them alive. In the game however darkspawn eat people....lol wtf??? I cant remember many other stuff ups as i decided to just ignore them but i have noticed many! Another one is just related to the book Dragon age: The calling, in this maric says that  Utha the mute female dwarf doesent carry any wepons on her and only uses her fits in battle....and then when they come across a dragon she happns to miraculously pull out a flail like wepon? Has any one els picked up some flaws like this?

Couldent seem to post this any where els because it wouldent let me? sorry if this contains spoilers

[frayjog]

If I recall correctly, the only time we hear about Darkspawn eating people is from tales that humans have heard, not actual true accounts. I'd say it's a rumor created based on the savagery evoked from images and stories of Darkspawn.

[Grand_Commander13]

Doesn't Morrigan say the darkspawn were feasting on the dead at Ostagar after the battle?

[JSS]

Yeah...she says she was watching it all in hiding while flemeth saves your characters. I would be quite embaressed if i stuffed something this huge up lol

Modifié par JSS, 03 avril 2010 - 03:10 .

[Nukenin]

So what are the serious flaws in the lore? 

[Leon Elsa]

I believe Branka's maiden also speaks about Darkspawn feasting on flesh.

[searanox]

Leon Elsa wrote...

I believe Branka's maiden also speaks about Darkspawn feasting on flesh.

That wasn't about Darkspawn, that was about people who are captured and intentionally tainted.

[ShrinkingFish]

Neither one of these observations, those of Darkspawn eating habits and Utha's choice of weaponry, is a mistake or flaw in the lore. The lore states that the Darkspawn do not NEED to eat in order to survive, not that they CAN'T, and throughout the game it if often seen that Darkspawn and Ghouls feast on dead human flesh which comes off more as an aspect of psychological warfare than anything else. One of the ways people are corrupted and transformed by the darkspawn is through forcing them to eat their dead comrades as a way of breaking down mental resistance and turning them into monsters.



As for Utha it is all according to Maric's observations. Up to that point in the novel he had only seen Utha use her fists, that does not mean she never uses any other weapons, but only that he has not seen her do so. The time she pulls out the flail is the first time Maric has ever seen the weapon, therefore it is not a mistake but just a symptom of the narrator's status of being in the first person and not the omnipotent third person.

[ModerateOsprey]

There are a lot of plot holes in this game, and many, many, others. Games are about the only media where I accept them.

[JSS]

Nah the darkspawn eating is a clear lore mistake as bregan is the head of the grey wardens and clearly states that there was no evidence of the darkspawn ever eating anything....through all the past blights there was no indication. Im sure him being the head of the grey wardens would of known some kind of evidence of the darkspawn eating even if it was to just scare them.

Modifié par JSS, 03 avril 2010 - 05:12 .

[JSS]

ModerateOsprey wrote...

There are a lot of plot holes in this game, and many, many, others. Games are about the only media where I accept them.

yeah i know but this one is huge!

[David Gaider]

There must be a definition of "plot hole" at work here with which I'm not familiar.

[TheMadCat]

Elps wrote...

David Gaider said somewhere that if its not in the game then its not part of the game lore. The books were never intended to be the definitive game lore.

Did he? Weird. Is this true David? Though I suppose it doesn't matter, most of the important stuff from the books is told to some degree in the game anyways.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 03 avril 2010 - 05:03 .

[JSS]

lol yeah this ain't a plot hole but just a stuff up in the lore. Could fix this easy by telling of how the dark spawn came to eat. I pretty sure tho that the only thing that drives them is the calling.

"edit" holy crap its david gaider!

Modifié par JSS, 03 avril 2010 - 05:04 .

[Stippling]

JSS wrote...

Nah the darkspawn eating is a clear plot hole as bregan is the head of the grey wardens and clearly states that there was no evidence of the darkspawn ever eating anything....through all the past blights there was no indication. Im sure him being the head of the grey wardens would of known some kind of evidence of the darkspawn eating even if it was to just scare them.

clearly...a plot hole

The world of Thedas is not about absolutes. We don't ABSOLUTELY know that what the Chantry says is fact. We don't ABSOLUTELY know that Darkspawn can only attack in masses during Blights alone (proved wrong with Awakening).

The beautiful thing about this game is that the lore is subject to bias, interpretation, and secrecy.

There have been many Commanders of the Grey before Bregan. How many of them knew about the possibility of a talking Darkspawn? How many of them knew about the possibility of surviving slaying an Archdemon? How can we assume that the Commander must know EVERYTHING there is to know about Darkspawn? Did your Warden commander in Awakening know about the Children before he combatted them? And yet he's suppose to automatically know the dietary habits of cursed beings who typically hide underground for hundreds of years?

I'm not sure what world you live in, but there are no absolutes in reality.

Modifié par Stippling, 03 avril 2010 - 05:04 .

[David Gaider]

TheMadCat wrote...
Did he? Weird. Is this true David?

No, I did not say such a thing.

JSS wrote...
lol yeah this ain't a plot hole but just a stuff
up in the lore. Could fix this easy by telling of how the dark spawn
came to eat. I pretty sure tho that the only thing that drives them is
the calling.

Are you asking? Or is a "stuff up in the lore" just anything you didn't understand?

The darkspawn don't need to eat. And other than the frightened tales of some soldiers, nobody claims that they do.

Modifié par David Gaider, 03 avril 2010 - 05:20 .

[TheMadCat]

Glad you squashed that, sounded a little strange. So thank you for the swift shoot down.

[Servant of Nature]

Darkspawn taking people underground to eat them is folk talk, I believe. We know they drag people down to the Deep Roads; I am fairly certain it's to keep a supply of humans or what have you for feeding to the females. Also keep in mind that Ghouls are their smiths for the most part.

I have wondered why, exactly, becoming a Grey Warden makes your appetite increase, whereas allowing the Taint to take over your body seems to eliminate it, but that's far from a plot hole; it's just how it seems to work.

With Utha, however, I think it's just the sad fact that the game doesn't support unarmed fighting. She shouldn't have had any hair, either, from what I remember. I was more than happy with her intense facial expressions and hand gestures.

Modifié par Servant of Nature, 03 avril 2010 - 05:25 .

[Nukenin]

Servant of Nature wrote...

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I have wondered why, exactly, becoming a Grey Warden makes your appetite increase, whereas allowing the Taint to take over your body seems to eliminate it, but that's far from a plot hole; it's just how it seems to work.

You trust Alistair? 

With Utha, however, I think it's just the sad fact that the game doesn't support unarmed fighting. She shouldn't have had any hair, either, from what I remember. I was more than happy with her intense facial expressions and hand gestures.

Ask anyone who went into Awakening with certain DLC weapons equipped and no backup.  You can use your fists.  Just not very effectively. 

[David Gaider]

Servant of Nature wrote...
With Utha, however, I think it's just the sad fact that the game doesn't support unarmed fighting. She shouldn't have had any hair, either, from what I remember. I was more than happy with her intense facial expressions and hand gestures.

While it's true that Utha in Awakening having hair/weapons was due to technical limitations, I think he was referring to the fact that she possessed a double-club in the Calling. How that would be a problem with the lore, I'm not really sure. Perhaps he didn't like that it wasn't mentioned prior to the battle with the dragon, I don't know.

[Servant of Nature]

Nukenin wrote...
You trust Alistair?

I trust that Alistair isn't a very good liar.  I suppose it could be true that he was just a pig, or that the Joining effected him differently.  Maybe he really was just a pig.  I don't know.

Nukenin wrote...
Ask anyone who went into Awakening with certain DLC weapons equipped and no backup.  You can use your fists.  Just not very effectively.

She'd make for a ****** poor fight, then, yes?

David Gaider wrote...
While it's true that Utha in Awakening
having hair/weapons was due to technical limitations, I think he was referring to the fact that she possessed a double-club in the Calling.  How that would be a problem with the lore, I'm not really sure. Perhaps he didn't like that it wasn't mentioned prior to the battle with the dragon, I don't know.

Ah.  Well, regardless, I really don't understand why it's so surprising.  No matter how good she is with her fists there are times where that isn't effective at all.  Like with a dragon.  Not to mention any warrior worth his or her salt has spare weapons.  *shrug*

Modifié par Servant of Nature, 03 avril 2010 - 06:10 .

[Ailith Tycane]

JSS wrote...

ModerateOsprey wrote...

There are a lot of plot holes in this game, and many, many, others. Games are about the only media where I accept them.

yeah i know but this one is huge!

Not really...

[Nukenin]

Servant of Nature wrote...

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She'd make for a ****** poor fight, then, yes?

I suppose so.  I'm too busy crying in the corner because I just realized I've yet to read Gaider's two books (I have them on Kindle, so they're in the ol' reading queue!) and I have yet to encounter this character we're discussing in the game.

So I've been massively spoilt.  

Female models don't have a bald option?  Or was there some other limitation?

We need an unarmed school and the background (and of course clever animations) to support it.