103 réponses à ce sujet

[David Gaider]

Icematt12 wrote...
As a newbie to Dragon Age it was alreadt established to me that Darkspawn feasted on the dead at Ostigar by Morrigan speaking to you just after lighting the beacon. They dragged the living underground and eat the dead, she said she saw this herself and not learnt through conversation. At this point, no other interpretation is possible.

Now I hear that some book states that Darkspwan never eat, Sounds like a definate contrast, unless Morrigan is mistaken and the Darkspawn happened to do something else.

Sigh.

First off, I said that darkspawn don't need to eat. They don't need food in order to survive. If they bite or feast upon something, it is for other reasons -- which most people may not entirely be aware of.

But... whatever. If someone wants to sniff at it and suggest the books are fanfic, go right ahead. Knock yourselves out.

[Minaleth]

:3 Fanfic category?

That's a bit over the top, no? Is it even possible to write fanfic for your own story? *is highly amused*

[Herr Uhl]

Minaleth wrote...

:3 Fanfic category?
That's a bit over the top, no? Is it even possible to write fanfic for your own story? *is highly amused*

Considering people disregarding posts about certain characters motivations in certain times from devs as them "frantically trying to defend their beloved ones", it's not that outlandish.

And I think that the books have been called fanfiction before.

[0LunarEclipse0]

David Gaider wrote...

Icematt12 wrote...
As a newbie to Dragon Age it was alreadt established to me that Darkspawn feasted on the dead at Ostigar by Morrigan speaking to you just after lighting the beacon. They dragged the living underground and eat the dead, she said she saw this herself and not learnt through conversation. At this point, no other interpretation is possible.

Now I hear that some book states that Darkspwan never eat, Sounds like a definate contrast, unless Morrigan is mistaken and the Darkspawn happened to do something else.

Sigh.

First off, I said that darkspawn don't need to eat. They don't need food in order to survive. If they bite or feast upon something, it is for other reasons -- which most people may not entirely be aware of.

But... whatever. If someone wants to sniff at it and suggest the books are fanfic, go right ahead. Knock yourselves out.

David Gaider. Once agian proves he is the best.

[Nukenin]

<ObFlemeth> Plot holes, continuity errors, lore incongruities, and this retcon—sounds like an intellectual property to me.

Modifié par Nukenin, 05 avril 2010 - 12:35 .

[Stoomkal]

David Gaider wrote...

Icematt12 wrote...
As a newbie to Dragon Age it was alreadt established to me that Darkspawn feasted on the dead at Ostigar by Morrigan speaking to you just after lighting the beacon. They dragged the living underground and eat the dead, she said she saw this herself and not learnt through conversation. At this point, no other interpretation is possible.

Now I hear that some book states that Darkspwan never eat, Sounds like a definate contrast, unless Morrigan is mistaken and the Darkspawn happened to do something else.

Sigh.

First off, I said that darkspawn don't need to eat. They don't need food in order to survive. If they bite or feast upon something, it is for other reasons -- which most people may not entirely be aware of.

But... whatever. If someone wants to sniff at it and suggest the books are fanfic, go right ahead. Knock yourselves out.

...

Perhaps we wouldn't need to if you had "knocked yourself out" with accuracy regarding your *own* books...

It is either your books that are fan-fic, or it is Origins...

Or the amount of changes from your books to the real storyline give us an indication just how much the development teams regard your work as reflective of the setting... which is not that much.

Sorry... but there are quite a few differences in specific details that do not add up.

[GithCheater]

Has it been established why our non-warden have not succumbed to the Darkspawn taint?



Also, why did Oghren bother becoming a grey warden when he practically bathed in darkspawn blood ... and nothing happened?

[sarx8172]

Stoomkal wrote...

[snip]
Add to this we now have the "Architect 2.00" perhaps the most gaping plot hole in the cycle. His descriptions in the Calling and his appearance in Awakening could very well make you think you were dealing with an entirely different being. One is a typical looking Darkspawn in dirty robes, missing one hand, and the other is... completely different. The "technical problems" involving Utha pale in comparison to the *textual difficulties* present.

So... I would disregard David's books for the majority. They aren't really helping... and even the design teams seem to ignore the work as barely relevant. 

Perhaps take the same attitude.

The Calling is a prequel. Meaning Awakening is not set during the same time period as it. The Architect is a powerful mage. Who's to say he couldn't refashion his own appearance?

Besides, I doubt David Gaider was the one calling the shots on appearances of the characters, and vice versa. So just because the descriptions are different, doesn't mean you should completely disregard the main writer's written prequel.

Just my two cents.

[sarx8172]

GithCheater wrote...

Also, why did Oghren bother becoming a grey warden when he practically bathed in darkspawn blood ... and nothing happened?

I think (don't quote me on this) that it's said somewhere that Grey Wardens are more powerful than ordinary men, because the the taint. During the Warden's Joining, he says that the taint is the source of their victory, so I would assume that most people are aware that the Grey Wardens have some kind of boost against the darkspawn.

Besides, it's not only Oghren, it's pretty much every single dwarf in Orzammar, since the only times they really fight is either in the Provings or against the darkspawn in the Deep Roads.

[Stoomkal]

If you are not calling the shots as to how a character *looks*... and you know your events may be totally changed...



How is that not fan-fiction?



I need some convincing that the books are even relevant after the appearance of "Architect 2.0"... there is not much that these books got right, really...

[Axekix]

Stoomkal wrote...
...

Perhaps we wouldn't need to if you had "knocked yourself out" with accuracy regarding your *own* books...

It is either your books that are fan-fic, or it is Origins...

Or the amount of changes from your books to the real storyline give us an indication just how much the development teams regard your work as reflective of the setting... which is not that much.

No need to browbeat the lead writer...  DA is a pretty massive work, so small inconsistencies are bound to pop up here and there.  The writers are human after all.  None of these are even major plot points so, meh.

IMO it's awesome that we have such a candid link to the devs here.  People tend take that for granted I think.

[joey_mork84]

The only part of this thread that is baffling to me, is the fact that this entire thread is spoilerific and that David Gaider himself has posted on it several times, yet it remains in the "NO SPOILERS ALLOWED" section of the forums.. Just WOW..

EDIT: This was in no way an attack on Mr. Gaider. He is an awesome writer, IMO and did an excellent job on both the books and the game.. I'm mearly pointing out the obvious..

Modifié par joey_mork84, 05 avril 2010 - 02:25 .

[Nukenin]

Stoomkal wrote...

If you are not calling the shots as to how a character *looks*... and you know your events may be totally changed...

How is that not fan-fiction?

I need some convincing that the books are even relevant after the appearance of "Architect 2.0"... there is not much that these books got right, really...

Relevance?  Let me clue you in to something neither books nor game got right.  There are no Grey Wardens.  Ferelden is a lie.  Thus, neither books nor game are relevant.  Therefore, both books and game are fan-fiction.  Q.E.D.

You can now safely remove yourself from the Dragon Age scope, dismissing everything associated with Dragon Age (game, books, action figures, T-shirts, etc) as "fan-fiction" and "irrelevant", patting your fed troll stomach in content.

I seriously doubt when I finally get to D.G.'s books in my Kindle "queue", that partway through I will hurl the Kindle against the wall, scream "OH NO HE DIDN'T!", drop to the floor, and spin circles on my side, yelling incoherently, until such time as the orderlies burst in and drag me in a straitjacket back to the padded cell.  (Or when I reach relevant points in Awakening, whichever happens later I suppose.)

Anywho, fan fiction.  Perhaps you should read up on a generally accepted overview of the term.  If D.G. is writing under commission or by approval of the I.P. owner (Bioware/EA I suppose), then what he writes is not "fan-fiction", except I suppose in entirely delusional cases.

If he were to, on his own, without explicit approval of Bioware/EA, write a story detailing Duncan's hitherto-undocumented randy adventures with good King Maric one drunken night, then that there would be fan fiction.  Since D.G. is a "face" of the property, with the caveat that anything related to the property he produces may be taken to be implicitly official despite any explicit statements to the contrary, he'd probably receive a cease-and-desist (informally and then formally as necessary) long before any similarly infringing "obscure" fan work would (especially since the latter have an "official unofficial" home on these forums).

In conclusion, .

Modifié par Nukenin, 05 avril 2010 - 07:47 .

[joey_mork84]

Nukenin wrote...

   *snip*
In conclusion, .

Nicely put!

[Spitz6860]

just because they don't need to eat doesn't mean they can't eat. what kind of monsters would they be if they don't at least try to eat some people?

[Ash Wind]

Icematt12 wrote...

As a newbie to Dragon Age it was alreadt established to me that Darkspawn feasted on the dead at Ostigar by Morrigan speaking to you just after lighting the beacon. They dragged the living underground and eat the dead, she said she saw this herself and not learnt through conversation. At this point, no other interpretation is possible.

Now I hear that some book states that Darkspwan never eat, Sounds like a definate contrast, unless Morrigan is mistaken and the Darkspawn happened to do something else.

2 Points...
1. She never says she saw the Darkspawn eating the corpses. She describes the battlefield, saying... "bodies are everywhere, and the Darkspawn swarm them... feeding, I think."  KEYWORDS: "I think." She's making an assumption, not giving an eyewitness report. Not a Lore Issue, IMO.

2. Furthermore, I don't think anything Morrigan says should create notable Lore issues, as she dances precariously with honesty, using it when it suits her. Eample, in the Very Same conversation quoted above, she tells the PC what can only be categorized as a Bold Face Lie. Period.

[Addai]

tuckar wrote...

in the calling the architect had his hand severed, but somehow manages to find a prostetic surgeon in ferelden to replace his hand in awakening...strange.

He tells Bregan in The Calling that darkspawn have regenerative powers, which is why they don't need healers.  I imagine they can grow back limbs like some amphibians do.

We see the ogre in the Tower of Ishal appear to be eating the men, but he could just be savaging them/ tearing at them to make sure they're dead, or because, you know, he's just that way.  And what Morrigan saw could have been similar behavior.

[Nukenin]

Just ask a hurlock emissary, "Do you guys, like, eat?"  After all, they are the only darkspawns known to possess the ability to speak*, and they're probably bored sheetless standing about with a bunch of genlocks and non-speaking lesser hurlocks and shrieks and the token ogger waiting for Grey Wardens or dwarves to feast upon play Australian rules football with.

*Check that Codex!

Modifié par Nukenin, 05 avril 2010 - 07:55 .

[Daerog]

If Mr. Gaider's DA books are considered "fanfiction" then I would say that this is the first case, in my opinion/experience, where the fanfiction is better than the actual game/story.

I just let all the conflicting info go, make up stuff to make it work, or pick which one I like more or is less conflicting. Example, I imagine the Architect used his blight magic to change his form to make himself more regal/presentable to the surface people.

I still mourn the Architect in DA, such a great character deserved more.

Anyway, if DA expands more to become... well, a very well received franchise, then perhaps BW will publish some sort of book called "The Codex" for Dragon Age that will put everything straight.

Until something is contradicted in a later game in which another Codex will be released, updated and with either a shinier cover or look even more worn looking as if it was an ancient tome.

[Tinnic]

I got the impression from the Stolen Throne that Maric and his companions who have no experience with Darkspawn believed they and the spiders were having a feeding frenzy. You have to take into account the character that's doing the "speaking" too you know. When "newbies" to the Darkspawn game say Darkspawn need to eat. How is that more accurate then when a Darkspawn says they don't need to eat because the taint sustains them? Seriously, has no one here ever heard of context!



Also, how are the books fanfiction exactly? Actually no, scratch that. I don't want to know the mental processes of a person who thinks officially licensed books, endorsed by Bioware and prompted as tie-ins to the game are fanfiction.

[Elhanan]

Some are upset that their are varied accounts of history, and different views of witness accounts? That the facts are still unclear in some matters?



Welcome to life!

[Minaleth]

Nukenin wrote...
...
In conclusion, .

Thank you, that was exactly my point. Reality is built on good definitions.

[roundcrow]

Elhanan wrote...

Some are upset that their are varied accounts of history, and different views of witness accounts? That the facts are still unclear in some matters?

Welcome to life!

This is one of the things I like about the games/books, is that there isn't one version of history. 

Modifié par roundcrow, 05 avril 2010 - 11:01 .

[zahra]

GithCheater wrote...

Has it been established why our non-warden have not succumbed to the Darkspawn taint?

Also, why did Oghren bother becoming a grey warden when he practically bathed in darkspawn blood ... and nothing happened?

This was something I always wondered. The other companions practically bathed in darkspawn blood all the time, why didn't they succumb to the sickness? (esp after running around in the deep roads for ages).

[Wozza78]

Someone somewhere may have already said this so forgive me if I'm just repeating them. The major bone on contention about Darkspawn eating habbits seems to be the eye witness account of Morrigan who says she saw Darkspawn eating the dead on the battlefield at Ostagar. This is the same Morrigan who along with her mother had planned from the beginning to get with godchild. The same Morrigan who would have happily left Redcliffe to its plight, and was positively exuberant at the idea of the werewolves wreaking bloody vengeance upon the Dalish. C'mon people is it beyond the realms of possibility that she was simply saying those things because she is a wee bit of a btich? (and yes I know I spelled it incorrectly)