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[Domyk]

all your comments make me want to read these books. On Amazon they are sold separately, what book should I purchase and read first?



Thanks!

[Tinnic]

Domyk wrote...

all your comments make me want to read these books. On Amazon they are sold separately, what book should I purchase and read first?

Thanks!

I am sure you will enjoy them. I keep telling people that I totally believe that they would enjoy both the Dragon Age books even if they have never heard of Dragon Age and don't care for RPGs because even as stand alone fantasy books, they are pretty good. I think you can read either book first but "The Stolen Throne" was released first and the second book "The Calling" references events in "The Stolen Throne". So "The Calling" contain's spoilers for the "The Stolen Throne" so to speak. Something to consider when reading the books I guess.

[Domyk]

Sweet thanks. Will check the Barnes and Knoble by my town. If they don't have it in house, will order via Amazon.



Thanks again!

[OneBadAssMother]

KICK HIM IN THE QUAD...



sorry, to much Mass Effect...

[SRWill64]

AliceTheGiraffe wrote...

SRWill64 wrote...

Geeez....and I like Snape, too. But Snape didn't betray the school or the headmaster (what was his name again?). Besides, as I said, Loghain was kind of losing it and I think Alistair took pity on him because maybe he realized it. Alistair seems to have that gift of sensitivity to others feelings/thoughts. Maybe it was more out of mercy that Alistair took Loghain's head off.

Albus Dumbledore.

Anyways, Loghain was always bitter and I do not really think he "lost it mentally" but more he let his rage/hatred consume him. Even in The Stolen Throne he made choices some might claim to be cold and callous, however, he also had good things going for him in the book too. I think by the time we all see him in the game, he was kind of wearing thin. He had no one to console him and guide him down a gentler path. His wife was dead, Rowan is dead, Maric is dead, his daughter blames him for Cailan's death. Poor Loghain!

Poor Loghain indeed!  Anora balmes him for Cailan's death, and rightfully so! He planned to betray Cailan before he even got to Ostagar; otherwise why have Eamon poisoned before Loghain arrived in Ostagar? The Grey Wardens were perfect to take the fall and shoulder the blame; they'd been given the boot before....if any of them survived Ostagar.

[shedevil3001]

i honestly cant feel sorry for loghain personally i thought he brought it on himself he delibrately left the king to die along with hundreds of good men including duncan, then he blamed the grey wardens to cover up his deceit, and continued to make bad decions that got innocent people killed, he shows very little signs of remorse and doesnt even deny that he messed up. so in my playthroughs he gets his head chopped off by alistair "smiles" happy ending i think

[Tinnic]

shedevil3001 wrote...

i honestly cant feel sorry for loghain personally i thought he brought it on himself he delibrately left the king to die along with hundreds of good men including duncan, then he blamed the grey wardens to cover up his deceit, and continued to make bad decions that got innocent people killed, he shows very little signs of remorse and doesnt even deny that he messed up. so in my playthroughs he gets his head chopped off by alistair "smiles" happy ending i think

It is true. Even if we totally disregard for a moment what he did in Ostagar and accept that he made the right decision, what excuse does he have for how he acted afterwards? He knew what Howe was upto, yet he let Howe go about throwing people in prison, murdering entire noble families including children. He sold elves to Trevinta Slavers and his excuse was the conditions in the Alienage was bad? We are talking about Trevinta Slavers here! Loghain is not stupid or naive, he knew those elves were bound for terrible fates. If they were lucky they would be sacrificed cleanly in some blood mage rite. But that is IF they were lucky. Not to mention the whole poisoning Eamon thing! O how quickly people forget that it isn't just about Ostagar!

I know the Grey Wardens accept many shady characters, just because the taint is a death sentence but in all good honestly, what does the Warden know about being a Grey Warden anyway! Nothing! Nothing at all! Which is why the Warden is free to choose their own path and do what they think is right. A seasoned Grey Warden would surely act differently in many circumstances. For starters, a seasoned Grey Warden wouldn't stick around in Feraldan. Following Ostagar they would do what they could to get out and join up with the other Grey Warden's in Orlais, carrying with them the information from Ostagar. They would have left Feralden and Loghain to rip what they had sown, instead focusing on mounting a challenge on the Archdemon and Darkspawn hoard in Orlais with the aid of the Imperial army.

Seriously, I think it is hubris to think that the Warden and the Alistair are the only ones who can stop the Blight. No they are not. They are the only ones who can save Feralden. In fact, the luckiest thing that happened to Feralden is that it was Alistair who was left alive and not Duncan or some other Grey Warden. David Gaiden himself said that Duncan would have left Feralden to its fate long, long before half the things in the game took place. I think people get to hung up with "I have a Blight to stop!" The Blight is going to get stopped one way or the other. It's Feralden you have to save and really, that's not really a Grey Warden's job. Alistair and the Warden do just that preciously because they are new and inexperienced. No other Grey Warden would have bothered to do what Alistair and the Warden did.

So you know, let's not pretend that the Warden knows for certain that sparing Loghain is the thing to do because the Grey Warden's need all the help they can get! They don't know any of those things. Indeed, they haven't really been acting like true Grey Warden's from the start! If they had, they wouldn't even BE in Feralden! They would already be in Orlais, getting read to either march into the broken lands of Feralden or face the Darkspawn head-on when they start to cross the border.

[shedevil3001]

excellent linktinnic i read every post from gaider finally someone who isnt ripping alistair apart "smiles approvingly" and your points i agree with

[Melca36]

Tokion wrote...

I have nothing but respect for Loghain, especially if you have read the book. He is a strategic man, some king who 'loves to play hero' but with little knowledge of real battle will doom the kingdom in the end.

The warden's story of 'proving him wrong' is the main plot of DA:O. And the events leading to the landsmeet is what makes the story in DA:O compelling and drives the player to united the kingdom as a whole. But do you really want to kill the greatest general of ferelden of its time just for the sake of petty revenge?

Yes I do. If he is supposed to be the greatest general of Ferelden he should have NEVER did what he did and he should not have let Howe manipulate him.

And yes, he let Manipulate him. He could have prevented alot of Howe's actions but didn't.

[errant_knight]

Tinnic wrote...

shedevil3001 wrote...

i honestly cant feel sorry for loghain personally i thought he brought it on himself he delibrately left the king to die along with hundreds of good men including duncan, then he blamed the grey wardens to cover up his deceit, and continued to make bad decions that got innocent people killed, he shows very little signs of remorse and doesnt even deny that he messed up. so in my playthroughs he gets his head chopped off by alistair "smiles" happy ending i think

It is true. Even if we totally disregard for a moment what he did in Ostagar and accept that he made the right decision, what excuse does he have for how he acted afterwards? He knew what Howe was upto, yet he let Howe go about throwing people in prison, murdering entire noble families including children. He sold elves to Trevinta Slavers and his excuse was the conditions in the Alienage was bad? We are talking about Trevinta Slavers here! Loghain is not stupid or naive, he knew those elves were bound for terrible fates. If they were lucky they would be sacrificed cleanly in some blood mage rite. But that is IF they were lucky. Not to mention the whole poisoning Eamon thing! O how quickly people forget that it isn't just about Ostagar!

I know the Grey Wardens accept many shady characters, just because the taint is a death sentence but in all good honestly, what does the Warden know about being a Grey Warden anyway! Nothing! Nothing at all! Which is why the Warden is free to choose their own path and do what they think is right. A seasoned Grey Warden would surely act differently in many circumstances. For starters, a seasoned Grey Warden wouldn't stick around in Feraldan. Following Ostagar they would do what they could to get out and join up with the other Grey Warden's in Orlais, carrying with them the information from Ostagar. They would have left Feralden and Loghain to rip what they had sown, instead focusing on mounting a challenge on the Archdemon and Darkspawn hoard in Orlais with the aid of the Imperial army.

Seriously, I think it is hubris to think that the Warden and the Alistair are the only ones who can stop the Blight. No they are not. They are the only ones who can save Feralden. In fact, the luckiest thing that happened to Feralden is that it was Alistair who was left alive and not Duncan or some other Grey Warden. David Gaiden himself said that Duncan would have left Feralden to its fate long, long before half the things in the game took place. I think people get to hung up with "I have a Blight to stop!" The Blight is going to get stopped one way or the other. It's Feralden you have to save and really, that's not really a Grey Warden's job. Alistair and the Warden do just that preciously because they are new and inexperienced. No other Grey Warden would have bothered to do what Alistair and the Warden did.

So you know, let's not pretend that the Warden knows for certain that sparing Loghain is the thing to do because the Grey Warden's need all the help they can get! They don't know any of those things. Indeed, they haven't really been acting like true Grey Warden's from the start! If they had, they wouldn't even BE in Feralden! They would already be in Orlais, getting read to either march into the broken lands of Feralden or face the Darkspawn head-on when they start to cross the border.

Excellent post! You raise some very, very good points.