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[Jaeger2010]

I haven't seen this problem at all on console (360)...as a matter of fact I just got +10 for a single item given to Anders

[Fycan]

we xperiencin differnt bugs heir

[CybAnt1]

Gotta wonder if this might be another PC/console differential issue.



Those of you experiencing +5 (or +6) invarying approval: are you on PC or console?



BTW, Jaeger, what do your chars "read" their approval as once it hits 75+: "warm", "love," or "friendly".

[Rolenka]

I gave The Warrior's Heart to Sigrun and her approval instantly jumped from 0 to 100. On the PC.

Modifié par Rolenka, 21 avril 2010 - 03:32 .

[Fycan]

I'm on Pee Cee

[Burglekut]

Fycan wrote...

we xperiencin differnt bugs heir

It's because most "bugs" are just people not knowing what they're doing.

[CybAnt1]

Uh huh. And what is it people are "doing" to cause their companions' approval to jump to 100 suddenly? I didn't "do" anything for approval to get stuck at +5 ... it's happening. And BTW, that's with every mod disabled - I checked.



Looks to me like it's a mis-written script that's doing the "doing".



Now BTW if invariant approval resulting from gifts is a new "feature" of the expansion ... it sure isn't mentioned in any game documentation or the guide.

[Burglekut]

CybAnt1 wrote...

Uh huh. And what is it people are "doing" to cause their companions' approval to jump to 100 suddenly? I didn't "do" anything for approval to get stuck at +5 ... it's happening. And BTW, that's with every mod disabled - I checked.

Looks to me like it's a mis-written script that's doing the "doing".

Now BTW if invariant approval resulting from gifts is a new "feature" of the expansion ... it sure isn't mentioned in any game documentation or the guide.

Re-visit the definition for the word 'most.'  Also, true bugs are typically consistent.  With many people claiming different things, it's likely that some of them are just doing it wrong.  So yes, my statement stands true.  Nice try though.

[CybAnt1]

Unfortunately, there's nothing I could have "done" to stick my approval at +5 ...

Oh and BTW the reason why bugs might show up for "some" but not "all" is not that they're doing something wrong.

Some might be platform dependent. The Power of Blood bug appears to be. (And BTW I mean it shows up PCs, not on consoles.)

If the bug is dependent on quest order - as some of these seem to be - then they'll show up for people depending on order, or if they even do the sidequests.

Ergo, the fact that not all are experiencing them, doesn't mean it's something "they're" "doing" "wrong". (Well, other than not doing things in the "right" order, but last I checked, Bioware doesn't seem to believe in that philosophy re quests.)

Modifié par CybAnt1, 21 avril 2010 - 01:36 .

[Burglekut]

CybAnt1 wrote...

Unfortunately, there's nothing I could have "done" to stick my approval at +5 ...

Oh and BTW the reason why bugs might show up for "some" but not "all" is not that they're doing something wrong.

Some might be platform dependent. The Power of Blood bug appears to be. (And BTW I mean it shows up PCs, not on consoles.)

If the bug is dependent on quest order - as some of these seem to be - then they'll show up for people depending on order, or if they even do the sidequests.

Ergo, the fact that not all are experiencing them, doesn't mean it's something "they're" "doing" "wrong". (Well, other than not doing things in the "right" order, but last I checked, Bioware doesn't seem to believe in that philosophy re quests.)

Feel free to keep trying to explain it, my statement still holds true.  Many people call things "bugs" when in fact they are the ones doing something wrong.

[CybAnt1]

Uh huh. When you tell me what that is, rather than assuming it, I'll believe you.



The only thing I see people doing "wrong" is doing sidequests that register negative approval for companions without having the companions present.



This appears to trigger many, if not all, of the approval bugs. If you'd bother to read some of the other threads on the issue.



That's the scripts in the game "doing" it, not the people "doing" it.

[Burglekut]

CybAnt1 wrote...

Uh huh. When you tell me what that is, rather than assuming it, I'll believe you.

The only thing I see people doing "wrong" is doing sidequests that register negative approval for companions without having the companions present.

This appears to trigger many, if not all, of the approval bugs. If you'd bother to read some of the other threads on the issue.

That's the scripts in the game "doing" it, not the people "doing" it.

Again, many bugs are just human error, and not actually bugs.  Read that statement a few times, and realize that you are not even arguing the same thing.  Instead of trying to write up a respeonse instantly, as you seem to be known for on here, read what I said and comprehend it.

[Dealerodeath]

I run on PC and my gift approval amounts we akin to what I had in Origins. +10/+9 something made just for the recipient to between +6/+1 for other items.



Diminishing returns also worked for me. There must be some set of conditions to trigger the issue as it's not inherently broken for all.



As for what the ratings read, that varied as per normal as well, but 'Love' seemed to come up pretty easily. My female human was at love with Anders quite quickly and then the same with Velanna, yet I'm not sure why there...

[CybAnt1]

Again, many bugs are just human error, and not actually bugs.  

That's fine, trollboy, explain what human error (on the part of the player, not the programmer) causes ...

Legion of Dead heraldry to give a +20 stat bonus (now I'll concede maybe this was developer intention but I find that unlikely, even if the LoD has a rep for being suicidal and wanting to go out in a blaze of glory; every other heraldry gives a +2 bonus)

One of the merchants in the game to be stuck in an endless loop (Lilith)... 

The Silverite & Cold Iron runes to switch to the wrong rune type ... 

Those bugs are there for everybody, and players aren't making them happen through "doing" anything wrong, they're in the game. 

Now I don't know what's going on with the approval bug, but the fact that it's not universal, does not make it a player problem. 

You don't know sh*t about software, and if you claim that all bugs are universal and consistent for all, seems to ignore the fact that most sofware, and especially RPGs, is full of conditionals ....

If in the code, it says 

IF Player puts on Troll Spray of Doom, then runscript X
and
IF Player put on Annoying Dufus Repellent of Pain, then runscript Y

Guess what .. if script X is borked, but script Y is not, only some people will experience the bugs of script X, and others will not.

That enough blank lines for you?

[ServiTemplari]

It could be mods running in the background that are tinkering with files that determine how the gifts work. Dealerodeath seems to be the only PC player posting in this thread whose gifts are working.



DOD, can you list what mods (if any) are running when you play Awakenings?

[CybAnt1]

It's not. I disabled all mods, and made sure both override folders were swept clean, to boot. Then checked. Still there.

Whatever's going on, it's not being caused by mods.

BTW, I seem to remember typically normal gift approval behavior on my first playthrough, too. This abnormal behavior only seemed to show up later. Unfortunately, I'm seeing it now (on a 3rd playthrough), but can't be certain when it started.

Modifié par CybAnt1, 23 avril 2010 - 05:00 .

[Dlokir]

You disabled mods? From some mod readme files I read I'm not sure all mods are good to disable. It's much better to install and un install them with DAModder, the only way to be sure that all files of a mod are removed... From what I read, I'm not sure and didn't check, I just followed the advice.

EDIT I have an idea, perhaps you could share your save causing the problem?

Modifié par Dlokir, 23 avril 2010 - 08:14 .

[Burglekut]

CybAnt1 wrote...

Again, many bugs are just human error, and not actually bugs.  

That's fine, trollboy, explain what human error (on the part of the player, not the programmer) causes ...

Legion of Dead heraldry to give a +20 stat bonus (now I'll concede maybe this was developer intention but I find that unlikely, even if the LoD has a rep for being suicidal and wanting to go out in a blaze of glory; every other heraldry gives a +2 bonus)

One of the merchants in the game to be stuck in an endless loop (Lilith)... 

The Silverite & Cold Iron runes to switch to the wrong rune type ... 

Those bugs are there for everybody, and players aren't making them happen through "doing" anything wrong, they're in the game. 

Now I don't know what's going on with the approval bug, but the fact that it's not universal, does not make it a player problem. 

You don't know sh*t about software, and if you claim that all bugs are universal and consistent for all, seems to ignore the fact that most sofware, and especially RPGs, is full of conditionals ....

If in the code, it says 

IF Player puts on Troll Spray of Doom, then runscript X
and
IF Player put on Annoying Dufus Repellent of Pain, then runscript Y

Guess what .. if script X is borked, but script Y is not, only some people will experience the bugs of script X, and others will not.

That enough blank lines for you?

You still don't get it, do you?

[Surango]

My first run was with a new character and had no issues with approval except Justice joining the group with +100 approval. The last run was with a HN and all characters except Anders and Oghren instantly gave +100 approval at joining or shortly thereafter, Oghren was stuck at +6 for all alcohol. Can't count Howe- didn't let him join.

@cybant

If you know he's a troll, emaciate the slimy critter.

[CybAnt1]

You still don't get it, do you?

That you don't want to do anything but troll here? No, I get that quite clearly. 

[CybAnt1]

You disabled mods? From some mod readme files I read I'm not sure all mods are good to disable.

I never add anything without DAO-ModManager, it always removes everything completely when I disable, and makes it easy to re-enable. 

There are a few things floating out there that say "just put this in your override folder," I'd really prefer if they were packaged as DAzips so one could add and remove using a tool. 

[ServiTemplari]

Hmm. I'm having the same problem (always get +5) and have been getting this problem since my first playthrough (all with imported chars). I have several mods running, hence my initial thought, but the only way to test for sure would be a complete uninstall, purge, reinstall, and that's a lot of trouble for a bug that may be roughly equal parts good and bad.

[CybAnt1]

I don't think this is being caused by mods. I think the cause is the same thing that makes some people get sudden jumps of +100 to approval. That cause is that doing certain quests without certain companions present (that are supposed to register an approval change) borks the approval system.

[Dlokir]

I'm replaying with a new character I didn't get any gift bugs nor the +100 approval I had with Velanna in a previous play and in this previous play I had only a systematic +6 for Oghren, well for few gifts I tried, I didn't tested much. If it's a change now I have all DLC disabled and only 2 mods installed both supporting Awakening plus of custom table adapted to DAA.

[Surango]

Mayhap we should repost this in the spoilers or tech support section so we can discuss where the bugs are occurring?