Yeah, how does a Vanguard hand Praetorians? I don't imagine being cqc is a good idea, and they don't seem to have any other good way of dealing with them.
Also, what about Scions?
BTW, it's Insanity, and I haven't started just yet, so I don't have any build.
Vanguard and Praetorians?
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Posté 03 avril 2010 - 05:39
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For the first Praetorian on Horizon just use the Collector Heavy Weapon that you find on the mission to kill it.
For the second Praetorian on the disabled ship just take Sniper Rifle Training (and make sure you have the Viper sniper rifle before beginning the mission). Use the tempest to take down the biotic barrier, and then use the Viper with incendiary ammo to take down the armor. Makes pretty quick work of it.
For the two Scions at the end of horizon, keep your distance, use charge and shotgun to kill all the husks, and then deal with the Scions.
For the later Scions, you can just charge them when they attack and shotgun them in the face, or use the viper from a safe distance.
For the second Praetorian on the disabled ship just take Sniper Rifle Training (and make sure you have the Viper sniper rifle before beginning the mission). Use the tempest to take down the biotic barrier, and then use the Viper with incendiary ammo to take down the armor. Makes pretty quick work of it.
For the two Scions at the end of horizon, keep your distance, use charge and shotgun to kill all the husks, and then deal with the Scions.
For the later Scions, you can just charge them when they attack and shotgun them in the face, or use the viper from a safe distance.
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Posté 03 avril 2010 - 05:42
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Use the Cain if possible. It will bring the Praetorian down to less than half health, at which point it's simple.
After firing the Cain at the Horizon Praetorian, simply play cat and mouse around a large piece of cover and whittle it down with the SMG or pistol and whatever abilities your squad has.
After firing the Cain at the Collector Ship Praetorian, open up on it with whatever advanced weapon training you took (hopefully Snipers) and it should drop in no time. Use the Tempest SMG on it's barriers when it recharges them.
After firing the Cain at the Horizon Praetorian, simply play cat and mouse around a large piece of cover and whittle it down with the SMG or pistol and whatever abilities your squad has.
After firing the Cain at the Collector Ship Praetorian, open up on it with whatever advanced weapon training you took (hopefully Snipers) and it should drop in no time. Use the Tempest SMG on it's barriers when it recharges them.
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Posté 03 avril 2010 - 05:47
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Well there are only two of them in the whole game so...
the one on Horizon is easy enough since there's lots of cover and you can run around until it's dead. You can use that particle beam or even just leave your squadmates kill it while you draw its attention. The second one... I take assault rifle training so it's just a matter of hammering at it until it dies. I also always bring Miranda when dealing with collectors, just use her warp constantly. Actually I just replayed that mission this morning and this time I had squad warp ammo as bonus power, helped a lot.
The only rule is don't allow it to get too close and use the moments when its recharging its barrier to run as far as possible away from it, just make sure you don't back yourself into a corner (that can happen on the ship if you run too far to the end of the room).
the one on Horizon is easy enough since there's lots of cover and you can run around until it's dead. You can use that particle beam or even just leave your squadmates kill it while you draw its attention. The second one... I take assault rifle training so it's just a matter of hammering at it until it dies. I also always bring Miranda when dealing with collectors, just use her warp constantly. Actually I just replayed that mission this morning and this time I had squad warp ammo as bonus power, helped a lot.
The only rule is don't allow it to get too close and use the moments when its recharging its barrier to run as far as possible away from it, just make sure you don't back yourself into a corner (that can happen on the ship if you run too far to the end of the room).
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Posté 03 avril 2010 - 05:48
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It may seem like Praetorians would be hard, but they aren't too bad. The one on Horizon is quite easy. You just have to dance around a high piece of cover. It just takes a long time. Switch between SMG and Heavy Pistol and keep tall cover between you and it.
The Collector Ship is a little bit different, but generally the same. I typically let it chase me around the staircase. There's enough cover that you don't get hit much. Again, depending on what you picked for a weapon, it takes quite a while, but it isn't too difficult. Once you establish a pattern it's a piece of cake
The Collector Ship is a little bit different, but generally the same. I typically let it chase me around the staircase. There's enough cover that you don't get hit much. Again, depending on what you picked for a weapon, it takes quite a while, but it isn't too difficult. Once you establish a pattern it's a piece of cake
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Posté 03 avril 2010 - 05:58
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Actually, I think a better query is how to SURVIVE the Praetorian and Scion.
The Praetorian by itself is not hard, the trick is to find a way to stay in cover whenever it activates Eyerays of Death. Use your SMG to shoot off the barrier whenever you have an opening, switch to Heavy Pistol when its down to armour and avoid staying too close so you don't die when it does its slam-n-wail. On both places where you meet a Pratorian, it is possible to find a sufficient large obstacle set to lead one in a round-the-mountain chase, slowly chipping away. On the second meeting place, you also have to contend with a few husks & Collectors.
Scions, imo are tougher because they often come with lesser critters who distract you while the Scion/s bombard you to death with their Shockwaves. With the lessers outta the way, Scions are a lot easier to handle because their Shockwaves can be dodged.
Without taking Reave as a bonus talent, Vanguards have no debuff that works well on barriers; Reave also works well on armour. At least you still have Incendiary Ammo, so slap it on your Heavy Pistol or whatever you are shooting these armoured nuisences with.
The Praetorian by itself is not hard, the trick is to find a way to stay in cover whenever it activates Eyerays of Death. Use your SMG to shoot off the barrier whenever you have an opening, switch to Heavy Pistol when its down to armour and avoid staying too close so you don't die when it does its slam-n-wail. On both places where you meet a Pratorian, it is possible to find a sufficient large obstacle set to lead one in a round-the-mountain chase, slowly chipping away. On the second meeting place, you also have to contend with a few husks & Collectors.
Scions, imo are tougher because they often come with lesser critters who distract you while the Scion/s bombard you to death with their Shockwaves. With the lessers outta the way, Scions are a lot easier to handle because their Shockwaves can be dodged.
Without taking Reave as a bonus talent, Vanguards have no debuff that works well on barriers; Reave also works well on armour. At least you still have Incendiary Ammo, so slap it on your Heavy Pistol or whatever you are shooting these armoured nuisences with.
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Posté 03 avril 2010 - 06:28
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As a Vanguard, it was probably the only time I depended on my squadmates to help me out. The Praetorian seems to have an obsession with taking down only Shepard, so I was the distraction while my squadmates actually took the Praetorian down. When I did fire at the thing, I used my SMG... and cursed the developers for making it so it was only until after Horizon that I got access to the Tempest.
The scions take a much different tactic. On Horizon, I tended to run far away from the scions while avoiding their shockwaves. While they slowly meander toward me, take out every other creature on the battlefield, then focus on the scions. Charge+Shotgun was quite effective so long as there was cover close enough for me to clear out of the shockwave. However, the scions on the collector ship kick my ass royally. I again depend on my squadmates here as I go crazy with the Avalanche to take out the bloody husks first.
Actually, I guess my strategy with the scions tends to be saving them for last. So long as I can avoid the shockwave, they pose little threat, but taking down their armour takes a tedious amount of time.
Of course, there's always the heavy weapons and reave, but I purposely avoid using either. Mostly because the heavy weapon most likely on my back is going to be the Avalance or Arc Projector because I use it mostly for crowd control. And reave is just... not fun.
The scions take a much different tactic. On Horizon, I tended to run far away from the scions while avoiding their shockwaves. While they slowly meander toward me, take out every other creature on the battlefield, then focus on the scions. Charge+Shotgun was quite effective so long as there was cover close enough for me to clear out of the shockwave. However, the scions on the collector ship kick my ass royally. I again depend on my squadmates here as I go crazy with the Avalanche to take out the bloody husks first.
Actually, I guess my strategy with the scions tends to be saving them for last. So long as I can avoid the shockwave, they pose little threat, but taking down their armour takes a tedious amount of time.
Of course, there's always the heavy weapons and reave, but I purposely avoid using either. Mostly because the heavy weapon most likely on my back is going to be the Avalance or Arc Projector because I use it mostly for crowd control. And reave is just... not fun.
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Posté 03 avril 2010 - 09:16
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So...I should take the sniper training instead of the claymore?
Hrmm, I guess that makes sense, what with the Eviscerator being so good.
Hrmm, I guess that makes sense, what with the Eviscerator being so good.
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Posté 03 avril 2010 - 09:20
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No, it does not. Assault Rifles are probably more easily integrated into your current Vanguard strategies.TheDFO wrote...
So...I should take the sniper training instead of the claymore?
Hrmm, I guess that makes sense, what with the Eviscerator being so good.
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Posté 03 avril 2010 - 09:24
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DFO, you probably can use assault rifle training. You seem more like a balanced vangaurd versus heavy close combat vangaurd. Both different ways to play but I think assault rifle may help you better.
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Posté 03 avril 2010 - 09:34
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Tempest is almost as good as the Assault Rifle, The Viper though is one of the fastest damage dealers in the game.
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Posté 03 avril 2010 - 09:38
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TheDFO wrote...
So...I should take the sniper training instead of the claymore?
I went with Assault Rifles, as I felt the Eviscerator worked well enough for a shotgun. I didn't choose sniper rifles because I had played an Infiltrator and I knew that unless I had access to the Widow, I'd feel like a castrated sniper. You can only get access to the Widow if you started with sniper training, i.e. soldier or infiltrator.
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Posté 03 avril 2010 - 09:44
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I went with the Claymore. Damn, I feel unique. I thought most vanguards went with the claymore.
Anyway, what you do, is for that mission, take Squad Warp Ammo as your bonus, and then take damage dealers like Zaeed or Thane to do your damage. Position them on opposite sides of the map so that if the Praetorian gets one, it won't get the other. When the praetorian raises its barrier, use your tempest and have them switch to the vindicator, or what ever they're using. *shrugs* That's how I did it on my sentinel. I've done it on my vanguard, I just can't remember how, exactly.
Anyway, what you do, is for that mission, take Squad Warp Ammo as your bonus, and then take damage dealers like Zaeed or Thane to do your damage. Position them on opposite sides of the map so that if the Praetorian gets one, it won't get the other. When the praetorian raises its barrier, use your tempest and have them switch to the vindicator, or what ever they're using. *shrugs* That's how I did it on my sentinel. I've done it on my vanguard, I just can't remember how, exactly.
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Posté 03 avril 2010 - 09:47
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Vanguards have a pretty easy time with scions, when I fought them with my vanguard I just chain charged the scion to keep shields up and pumped them with the shot gun until charge CD was over.
For Praetorians it's not so easy imo, you CAN'T charge them or their barrier will be refreshed and you'll probably die because of the aoe attack, stay back from them and shoot, having reave as a bonus power helps a ton too.
don't take sniper advanced training, defeats the purpose of vanguards (close quarter combat) AR is your best friend, like the sniper it has great armor piercing but it can be used in long range short range or mid range which is great.
For Praetorians it's not so easy imo, you CAN'T charge them or their barrier will be refreshed and you'll probably die because of the aoe attack, stay back from them and shoot, having reave as a bonus power helps a ton too.
don't take sniper advanced training, defeats the purpose of vanguards (close quarter combat) AR is your best friend, like the sniper it has great armor piercing but it can be used in long range short range or mid range which is great.
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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 01:55
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For the scions I sit in one of the trucks and shoot them with heavy pistols, using shockwave when the husks try to climb in after me.
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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 03:12
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Well I'm a pretty charge-y vanguard and I still take the AR. I tried the Claymore but I miss often enough that in the end I'm more effective with the Evi. Plus it's better vs armour and has better range.
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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 03:25
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Solomen wrote...
For the scions I sit in one of the trucks and shoot them with heavy pistols, using shockwave when the husks try to climb in after me.
Can the scions not hit you there?
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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 03:43
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Skuloth wrote...
don't take sniper advanced training, defeats the purpose of vanguards (close quarter combat) AR is your best friend, like the sniper it has great armor piercing but it can be used in long range short range or mid range which is great.
Actually, the Viper sniper rifle works excellent with charging. It also adds versatility for killing enemies that are on ledges or the air and cannot otherwise be charged.
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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 03:54
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praetorians are pretty easy. smg the barrier then pistol for the armour. Run and cover.
Scions - find their tiny little head through your sniper scope and it goes down pretty fast.
Lots of other ways to do it.. try them all and see what you like!
Scions - find their tiny little head through your sniper scope and it goes down pretty fast.
Lots of other ways to do it.. try them all and see what you like!
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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 09:14
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Well I chose Sniper training for my vangaurd and it was a awsome idea.TheDFO wrote...
Yeah, how does a Vanguard hand Praetorians? I don't imagine being cqc is a good idea, and they don't seem to have any other good way of dealing with them.
Also, what about Scions?
BTW, it's Insanity, and I haven't started just yet, so I don't have any build.
Praetorians seem easier than they are, they just require alot of running room where you shoot or warp from afar then when there getting a couple feet away from you RUN THE OPPISITE DIRECTION! or find another location away from it. also running big circles around it seem to help.
Scions are more my issue. they seem weak cqc and I know if you shoot the heart (located on the right side of it's body, a big round thing) they go down quick. however some fights later like REAPER IFF mission dealing with them are hard becasue of the husks and room. Better bet is heavy weapons. also running around in circles shooting them seems to help you dodge the sonic waves effectively and get the job done.
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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 09:44
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I beat all Praetorians the same way: draw them into a cat-and-mouse game, while my squad peppers them from afar. I order my squad to take cover on the far side of the room on the Collector ship, draw the Praetorians attention, and make him chase me around that staircase-thing. Same on Horizon, except this time I make him chase me around some crates. The moment I've got a free shot, I use Reave and empty my SMG clip at him.
I just charge Headfirst into Scions (on Veteran, at least) most of the time. Every time my shield's down, I charge again. Shotty + incendiary ammo does the rest.
I just charge Headfirst into Scions (on Veteran, at least) most of the time. Every time my shield's down, I charge again. Shotty + incendiary ammo does the rest.
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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 10:02
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1. keep moving to different cover
2. give your squad mates things that take out armor
3. focus on taking out the barrier
4. let your team mates take care of it
5. shoot it with a hand cannon
6. KEEP MOVING TO DIFFERENT COVER
2. give your squad mates things that take out armor
3. focus on taking out the barrier
4. let your team mates take care of it
5. shoot it with a hand cannon
6. KEEP MOVING TO DIFFERENT COVER
