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[Axekix]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Not in a good/evil, sense.  Suicide is a terrible choice for the Warden Commander (one of only 3-4 wardens left in Fereldan) when there's a much better alternative.

Yes, make a child of the old gods and take a gamble that it wont come back to bite you in the ass rather than importing a couple of wardens, stellar logic.

It's pitting the value of your life vs. the potential devastation that could come as a consequence, not suicide.

Considering all the warden accomplishes in DAO, I think that's a very fair comparison tbh.  The way the story is written, the PC is pretty much the savior of all of Fereldan.  So yes, the warden's life is extremely valuable and shouldn't just be thrown away. 

And lets not forget, the god baby is the reincarnation of the same demon you yourself kill.  It's not as if it's out of your league to deal with it should something go wrong (if you even think Morrigan intends to use it in that way.  I don't).

Modifié par Axekix, 03 avril 2010 - 09:25 .

[sylvanaerie]

I ADORE Morrigan. She is very different if you romance her (from just being your BFF). She actually lets down her defenses and seems quite playful at times. She is a very different person though you can see shades of that if she is a friend too. I do thank her at the gates for all her help (Including the ritual) but in all honesty my PC is glad she disappears after the fight. I just feel for Alistair's pain knowing out there is his child (probably the only one he will ever get to have) in the care of a woman raised by Flemeth. Definitely not a happy ending true but still not the emotional one of the US

Truth to tell for me the entire game after the Landsmeet is all anticlimatic. I enjoyed killing Howe, Caladrius and Loghain far more than killing the Archdemon. US or DR endings notwithstanding.

@Axekix

I don't think she was lying when she said to Alistair that that child wouldn't be used against him and Ferelden some day.  I don't believe she was being totally honest in her motivations because that would mean no more story for her if there was no drama there but I do believe she didn't intend to hurt anyone with it.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 03 avril 2010 - 09:24 .

[Mystiana]

I was too tired to cry since I just pulled 2 all-nighters in a row    however, I didn't realize it was coming since it was my first play-through and I avoided the boards due to fear of spoilers

my PC made the only decision she could...she loved Al and felt the people needed him for their king, and was horrified by Morrigan's idea...she completely felt betrayed, as if the entire time this was Morrigan's plan--to befriend the PC just so she could have this "child"...no way she'd agree after her "friend" back-stabbed her in such a way

hardest thing tho is that I've been using this PC for the past 10+ yrs (first online char in UO) yet it was the "right" ending for her I think...too bad Awakenings completely ignored it 

Modifié par Mystiana, 03 avril 2010 - 09:26 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Glad to see I'm not the only one that prefers the US ending over the DR one. I just wish one of the writers would tell us their stance on it being canon or not, as I do not feel like continuing the series if what I feel is my most personal and important choice is simply retconned.

[Axekix]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I ADORE Morrigan. She is very different if you romance her (from just being your BFF). She actually lets down her defenses and seems quite playful at times. She is a very different person though you can see shades of that if she is a friend too. I do thank her at the gates for all her help (Including the ritual) but in all honesty my PC is glad she disappears after the fight. I just feel for Alistair's pain knowing out there is his child (probably the only one he will ever get to have) in the care of a woman raised by Flemeth. Definitely not a happy ending true but still not the emotional one of the US

Truth to tell for me the entire game after the Landsmeet is all anticlimatic. I enjoyed killing Howe, Caladrius and Loghain far more than killing the Archdemon. US or DR endings notwithstanding.

I kind of agree there.  Enemies with ideals/goals/motivation are a bit more compelling than non verbal demon hordes.  Howe genuinely got under my skin... which pretty much never happened before in any game I'd played

@Axekix

I don't think she was lying when she said to Alistair that that child wouldn't be used against him and Ferelden some day.  I don't believe she was being totally honest in her motivations because that would mean no more story for her if there was no drama there but I do believe she didn't intend to hurt anyone with it.

Agreed.  Morrigan always seemed very straight forward and honest in that scene.  Even though she doesn't give all the details, I don't get the impression that she's outright lying to the PC at all.

[CalJones]

The US was moving, though not quite as much as the original (pre-DLC) ending of Fallout 3 (the ending slides where it finally shows the photo of you and your dad, which is taken at the beginning of the game, made me blub like a small child).

I must admit, though, I actually got more emotional at the Redeemer ending, especially when Anora asks you how her father died. Now I think I will go crawl into a small hole where the Alistair fan club can't pelt me with cheese.

[Herr Uhl]

Axekix wrote...

Considering all the warden accomplishes in DAO, I think that's a very fair comparison tbh.  The way the story is written, the PC is pretty much the savior of all of Fereldan.  So yes, the warden's life is extremely valuable and shouldn't just be thrown away. 

And lets not forget, the god baby is the reincarnation of the same demon you yourself kill.  It's not as if it's out of your league to deal with it should something go wrong (if you even think Morrigan intends to use it in that way.  I don't).

You have a lifetime of maybe 30 years more, tops. Whether Morrigan intends to use it to create an evil empire or whatever is not my point, the question is what power such a being could contain.

Morrigan's intentions are probably not bad, but is she able to take such a responsibility? You were able to take down an archdemon that couldn't fly when aided by the armies of an whole country, it's not like it would be an easy skirmish.

[sylvanaerie]

CalJones wrote...

The US was moving, though not quite as much as the original (pre-DLC) ending of Fallout 3 (the ending slides where it finally shows the photo of you and your dad, which is taken at the beginning of the game, made me blub like a small child).
I must admit, though, I actually got more emotional at the Redeemer ending, especially when Anora asks you how her father died. Now I think I will go crawl into a small hole where the Alistair fan club can't pelt me with cheese.

Gleefully pelts CalJones with gouda, cheddar and swiss for good measure.

[Herr Uhl]

CalJones wrote...

I must admit, though, I actually got more emotional at the Redeemer ending, especially when Anora asks you how her father died. Now I think I will go crawl into a small hole where the Alistair fan club can't pelt me with cheese.

Nah, we people who don't hate Anora and Loghain must stand proud, and look like it like this, it's free cheese.

[Kurt M.]

I didn't cried (mainly because I did the ritual with Morrigan and nobody died).



But I'd have liked to being able to hug Fergus (your brother and only survival of your family in the Human Noble origin), and cry until you're so tired that someone must help you to get up of the ground. I imagined it, and I cried a bit :_



It's not a shame to admit you've cried, nor for "tough guys" not to cry. In my opinion, the real tough guys are those ones who aren't afraid of expressing their emotions. Maybe that's why I have Alistair in such a high esteem.

[ENCHANTMENTSSS]

Hey I did a tear jerker post already! PFFT! I didn't cry/tear jerked in the US ending cuz it felt like my 1st playthrough destiny. I did get a lil tear jerky when Alistair did the US instead of letting my PC who was in romance with him cuz that's something I'd do. Ladies msg me LOL

[Axekix]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Considering all the warden accomplishes in DAO, I think that's a very fair comparison tbh.  The way the story is written, the PC is pretty much the savior of all of Fereldan.  So yes, the warden's life is extremely valuable and shouldn't just be thrown away. 

And lets not forget, the god baby is the reincarnation of the same demon you yourself kill.  It's not as if it's out of your league to deal with it should something go wrong (if you even think Morrigan intends to use it in that way.  I don't).

You have a lifetime of maybe 30 years more, tops.

Not necessarily.  At least not if you spared Avernus that is.

Whether Morrigan intends to use it to create an evil empire or whatever
is not my point, the question is what power such a being could contain.

Morrigan's
intentions are probably not bad, but is she able to take such a
responsibility?

That's why you go after her.  Queue DA2!

[LadyZaria]

I've posted this elsewhere, but I want to rehash for the people worrying about retconning in DA2.



If DA2 is a true extension of Origins (which is hinted at with the epilogue slides for Awakening that say you and your lover (whoever it was) disappeared, though "no one believed their story was over..."), then these are the "Origin" stories I'd like to see based on DAO endings:







PC rebuilds Grey Wardens: Set in the new Warden lands. Recruit Alistair (if he stayed a warden with you), Leliana, or Zevran based on who you were in romance with. (Now, if Ali stayed with you, but you were in romance with Leli or Zev, recruit both to your party.







PC travels (chasing Morrigan, with Leli or Zev, or by themself): Set in a port town of Orlais or Antiva. Recruit Leli or Zev based on who you were in romance with. (I think Morrigan returning would be better later in the game, and open to any ending where you took her offer).







PC serves the throne (no romance with Alistair): Set in Denerim. Recruit Alistair or Loghain if one's alive. If female Warden, a second chance is offered to romance Alistair as the story progresses.







PC is Queen/Mistress: Denerim, recruit Alistair.







PC is consort to Anora: Denerim, recruit Alistair or Loghain if either live.







PC is new character: Allows for new players and those who want their dead Wardens to stay dead.

[ENCHANTMENTSSS]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I don't think she was lying when she said to Alistair that that child wouldn't be used against him and Ferelden some day.  I don't believe she was being totally honest in her motivations because that would mean no more story for her if there was no drama there but I do believe she didn't intend to hurt anyone with it.

Hey syl... or how bout this for another reason to cross paths with Morrigan.  Architect takes the baby to experiment with it like he's proven in the past.  Morrigan now needs your help to get whoevers baby back!!!   EXXXXPPPPAAANNNSSSIIIOOONNN! LOL  I'm sure i'm not the first to hav thought of this possible storyline.

[MEUTRIERE]

Herr Uhl wrote...

You have a lifetime of maybe 30 years more, tops. Whether Morrigan intends to use it to create an evil empire or whatever is not my point, the question is what power such a being could contain.

Morrigan's intentions are probably not bad, but is she able to take such a responsibility? You were able to take down an archdemon that couldn't fly when aided by the armies of an whole country, it's not like it would be an easy skirmish.

This is kinda the way I see it.  I don't really think Morrigan intends to use the demon spawn to take over/destroy the world, etc., even if that may have been her plan in the beginning of DA:O.  However, I don't think she or anyone really knows what will happen to the child; her plan may easily backfire on her.

[sylvanaerie]

ENCHANTMENTSSS wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

I don't think she was lying when she said to Alistair that that child wouldn't be used against him and Ferelden some day.  I don't believe she was being totally honest in her motivations because that would mean no more story for her if there was no drama there but I do believe she didn't intend to hurt anyone with it.

Hey syl... or how bout this for another reason to cross paths with Morrigan.  Architect takes the baby to experiment with it like he's proven in the past.  Morrigan now needs your help to get whoevers baby back!!!   EXXXXPPPPAAANNNSSSIIIOOONNN! LOL  I'm sure i'm not the first to hav thought of this possible storyline.

OMG I could sooooo see that happening.  But...I killed Architect in my one Awakenings file.  Guess it would have to be his assistant doing the snatching.  Good idea there Enchantmentsss.

@ Axekix

You could try not romancing Morrigan and refusing the ritual (or for real sh*ts and giggles emotional impact romance her and STILL refuse it).  I actually thought about doing it on the playthrough with one of my male PCs but I couldn't go through with it.  I think the angst of the Morrigan romance is agony enough without having to endure the US on top of it.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 03 avril 2010 - 10:26 .

[TheBlackBaron]

I did the US once, mainly for the achievement. Mostly I was just thinking, "I had the third option staring me right in the face, and I turned it down...god, this character was Stupid Good," while the credits rolled.

[KnightPleasures]

As I read this and have played many endings... It dawns on me that Morrigan mentioned that Flemeth had the spirit of an OLD God, perhaps that is why Morrigan was sent the next Flemeth and daughter? HMMMM interesting.
BTW that Dwarf of mine that made the US had romanced Morrigan but turned her down for the DR.

 I never played the game where Alister wasn't king at the end, I guess it goes against my nature.. I hate to see any of my charaters die even back in my dice rolling D&D days back in the late 70's when I was in the Army. I played to many Paladins I guess :-D

Modifié par KnightPleasures, 03 avril 2010 - 11:45 .

[Thalorin1919]

I dont get why you guys think Morrigan would use the child to conquer the world. She could care less about that.



I'm more worried about the kid. The darkspawn hear the songs of an old god, the kid will have the soul of an old god and it will be on the surface. Darkspawn will come to the surface due to the fact it will be easier to get to the child then looking around underground for another god.



So basically - all the darkspawn come on the surface, and Morrigan does a "Oh sh*t, I did not see that coming."

[sylvanaerie]

KnightPleasures wrote...

As I read this and have played many endings... It dawns on me that Morrigan mentioned that Flemeth had the spirit of an OLD God, perhaps that is why Morrigan was sent the next Flemeth and daughter? HMMMM interesting.
BTW that Dwarf of mine that made the US had romanced Morrigan but turned her down for the DR.

 I never played the game where Alister wasn't king at the end, I guess it goes against my nature.. I hate to see any of my charaters die even back in my dice rolling D&D days back in the late 70's when I was in the Army. I played to many Paladins I guess :-D

Hehe my first Pen and Paper D&D character was a paladin named Roland.  I still to this day use that for any male PCs I make (and get the option to name). My favorite male name ever. And yes, I get it from Charlemagne's paladin of the same name.
Played back in the early 80s when I was in the Navy

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 03 avril 2010 - 11:57 .

[KnightPleasures]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

I dont get why you guys think Morrigan would use the child to conquer the world. She could care less about that.

I'm more worried about the kid. The darkspawn hear the songs of an old god, the kid will have the soul of an old god and it will be on the surface. Darkspawn will come to the surface due to the fact it will be easier to get to the child then looking around underground for another god.

So basically - all the darkspawn come on the surface, and Morrigan does a "Oh sh*t, I did not see that coming."

But Morrigan considers POWER above all things as is mentioned many times thoughout the game.

[KnightPleasures]

sylvanaerie wrote...

KnightPleasures wrote...

As I read this and have played many endings... It dawns on me that Morrigan mentioned that Flemeth had the spirit of an OLD God, perhaps that is why Morrigan was sent the next Flemeth and daughter? HMMMM interesting.
BTW that Dwarf of mine that made the US had romanced Morrigan but turned her down for the DR.

 I never played the game where Alister wasn't king at the end, I guess it goes against my nature.. I hate to see any of my charaters die even back in my dice rolling D&D days back in the late 70's when I was in the Army. I played to many Paladins I guess :-D

Hehe my first Pen and Paper D&D character was a paladin named Roland.  I still to this day use that for any male PCs I make (and get the option to name). My favorite male name ever. And yes, I get it from Charlemagne's paladin of the same name.
Played back in the early 80s when I was in the Navy

Rofl Justice reminds me the most of Eric Stalker my fav Paladin... more so when he has the Sentnel armor ... Awww the good old days :-D

 Sorry off topic.. Back to the topic Real men do Cry

[TheBlackBaron]

KnightPleasures wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...

I dont get why you guys think Morrigan would use the child to conquer the world. She could care less about that.

I'm more worried about the kid. The darkspawn hear the songs of an old god, the kid will have the soul of an old god and it will be on the surface. Darkspawn will come to the surface due to the fact it will be easier to get to the child then looking around underground for another god.

So basically - all the darkspawn come on the surface, and Morrigan does a "Oh sh*t, I did not see that coming."

But Morrigan considers POWER above all things as is mentioned many times thoughout the game.

Actually, the impression I get is that she values freedom - most importantly her own - above all else, and power is simply a means to that end. She even says it herself while discussing the Dark Ritual that the child represent freedom. It's unfortunately lacking in specifics, but it's not that hard to make an educated guess; freedom from Flemeth, from the Chantry's mage hunters, etc., etc.

[SarEnyaDor]

I'm probably too wussy to be allowed to post to this topic, and top that off with the fact I a missing any guy parts ... but there are a lot of parts in DA that make me tear-up (even 15 playthroughs later) but the US ending as FHN who was heading towards a loving marriage with Alistair, man his eulogy had me sobbing and blowing my nose.