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[CalJones]

Thanks. You get the "best king" line from him as well if you're in a romance with him (or even if he broke up with you at Landsmeet) but he doesn't let you choose.

[sylvanaerie]

LadyDamodred wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

I may have shed a tear or two.

I will totally admit to being physically sick to my stomach when I satisfied my sick curiousity to see what happens when you execute Alistair. And I did it on HNF who was in love with him. God, that was awful. I went for dinner right afterwards and it was not enjoyable.

OMG I have NEVER been able to get that resolution to the Landsmeet.  I just can't do it  I Alistair too much.  I hated the Warden Commander ending as well.  Made me so angry I literally wanted to toss my PC out the window.

Have I mentioned I like pain?  I do this stuff ALL THE TIME with my D&D characters and characters in stories.  Why?  WHY DO I DO DIS?!

Edit:  Oddly enough, I have never done the WC ending.  How do you do this?  Make Anora queen and then...?

Have AListair in your group when you reach the top of Fort Drakon and when the time comes to make the blow instead of the PC taking it you allow Alistair to. (No DR) Then it says (for the achievement) you commanded him to (which I DIDN'T!)  I won't spoil it for you but trust me if you like Alistair even a little it will ****** you off.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 04 avril 2010 - 07:30 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

I didn't cry because Jared Leto was screaming at me.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I cried over my Ultimate Sacrifice warden, pictured in my current icon. Not during the sacrifice or the funeral, but during the epilogue when it described how she was interred beside her father and posthumously declared a Paragon. All she wanted from the moment she was exiled was to regain her honour and her place as an Aeducan, and she finally made it. I cried more when Sten's slide came up and he declared her the only worthy being south of Par Vollen.

[sylvanaerie]

Andrastee wrote...

I cried over my Ultimate Sacrifice warden, pictured in my current icon. Not during the sacrifice or the funeral, but during the epilogue when it described how she was interred beside her father and posthumously declared a Paragon. All she wanted from the moment she was exiled was to regain her honour and her place as an Aeducan, and she finally made it. I cried more when Sten's slide came up and he declared her the only worthy being south of Par Vollen.

Ya I thought Sten was the most stoic of the NPC companions but that simple account he gave of the PC being the ONLY one he found with honor was rather touching.

[Elhanan]

In my first playthrough w/o much use of the walkthrough, my D/N/R PC felt betrayed by almost everyone: his sister, his old best friend, his own kinsmen, etc. The only ones he felt worthy of trust were his companions, and he was not going to let Alistair take the fall. I was so moved by the speech at the ceremony that I could not continue thuis character in Awakenings.



Well, that and the lack of certain items and choices I had skipped along the way by not using the walkthrough....

[Mlai00]

Cry at the game? Yeah, I did, with my DC rogue, at the end of the Origin. LOL, because I was so worried about my sister Rica. Yeah, I'm very emotionally invested in my current DC playthrough.
I doubt anyone will die in my DC playthrough. She'll gladly push Morrigan into Alistair's room, giggling all the while. It'll be good for him, LMAO. Make him a man.
As for the Old God baby... whatever. Birth does not rule a person's fate.

My HNM Warden got the Redeemer ending. He was Lawful Good but he wasn't Stupid Good. He understood Loghain The Hero's importance to Fereldan's national identity. My HNM wasn't just a hero, he's a nobleman. Only peasants indulge in petty vengeance.

Modifié par Mlai00, 04 avril 2010 - 12:06 .

[LadyDamodred]

sylvanaerie wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

I may have shed a tear or two.

I will totally admit to being physically sick to my stomach when I satisfied my sick curiousity to see what happens when you execute Alistair. And I did it on HNF who was in love with him. God, that was awful. I went for dinner right afterwards and it was not enjoyable.

OMG I have NEVER been able to get that resolution to the Landsmeet.  I just can't do it  I Alistair too much.  I hated the Warden Commander ending as well.  Made me so angry I literally wanted to toss my PC out the window.

Have I mentioned I like pain?  I do this stuff ALL THE TIME with my D&D characters and characters in stories.  Why?  WHY DO I DO DIS?!

Edit:  Oddly enough, I have never done the WC ending.  How do you do this?  Make Anora queen and then...?

Have AListair in your group when you reach the top of Fort Drakon and when the time comes to make the blow instead of the PC taking it you allow Alistair to. (No DR) Then it says (for the achievement) you commanded him to (which I DIDN'T!)  I won't spoil it for you but trust me if you like Alistair even a little it will ****** you off.

The part I liked least was all your companions reactions at the end.  Wynne was the only one who even slightly ackowldged what I had lost.  'Who could ask for more?'  "Alistair could."  'Oh, yeah...'  I hated that so much I used it in one of my fanfics.  Lya could have quite happily killed all her friends at that point for not caring.

[sylvanaerie]

LadyDamodred wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

I may have shed a tear or two.

I will totally admit to being physically sick to my stomach when I satisfied my sick curiousity to see what happens when you execute Alistair. And I did it on HNF who was in love with him. God, that was awful. I went for dinner right afterwards and it was not enjoyable.

OMG I have NEVER been able to get that resolution to the Landsmeet.  I just can't do it  I Alistair too much.  I hated the Warden Commander ending as well.  Made me so angry I literally wanted to toss my PC out the window.

Have I mentioned I like pain?  I do this stuff ALL THE TIME with my D&D characters and characters in stories.  Why?  WHY DO I DO DIS?!

Edit:  Oddly enough, I have never done the WC ending.  How do you do this?  Make Anora queen and then...?

Have AListair in your group when you reach the top of Fort Drakon and when the time comes to make the blow instead of the PC taking it you allow Alistair to. (No DR) Then it says (for the achievement) you commanded him to (which I DIDN'T!)  I won't spoil it for you but trust me if you like Alistair even a little it will ****** you off.

The part I liked least was all your companions reactions at the end.  Wynne was the only one who even slightly ackowldged what I had lost.  'Who could ask for more?'  "Alistair could."  'Oh, yeah...'  I hated that so much I used it in one of my fanfics.  Lya could have quite happily killed all her friends at that point for not caring.

That was the part that made me want to toss my PC out the window.  I was so furious that their king to be was dead, that b*itch Anora was on the throne and instead of a nice funeral (which is what I was expecting) they were having a freaking party! A PARTY!!! GRRRRR NEVER ever ever will I do that ending again.

[LadyDamodred]

Haha. I'm doing fics for all the endings for my HNF, and in that one she stands there wondering what would happen if she just killed Anora. She's all 'She doesn't wear armor. The guards aren't near by. I could totally do this.'



It was ridiculously unsatisfying ending. I would have liked some acknowledgement of what Alistair/Loghain did IN GAME and not just ending slides. Ah well. I don't intend to do it again, so I guess it schfine now.

[Mlai00]

It does make sense. Sure it felt unfair for you, but for the noble court, Alistair came and went in 2 seconds. "Yay, the Wardens defeated the Archdemon! Oh, the bastard child Warden died? Oh well."

As for your Companions... you had a special relationship with Alistair, but he was just a casual comrade to everyone else. He wasn't the leader. He wasn't particularly outspoken, or made his own presence felt, except to you. All the Companions accepted the (huge) possibility of death, they've made peace with it when they joined. So unless you died (because everyone loved you), they're not going to sulk about it, after having just saved the world.

That's actually a depressing thought: Alistair is gone, and the only person to mark his passing, and to remember him, is you.  He has no one else, no friends, no family.

Modifié par Mlai00, 04 avril 2010 - 03:51 .

[rak72]

I will NEVER be able to sacrifice Al, especially after reading the above posts - too sad for me. I have to do the DR w/ my HNF who romances him, there is no other way - even though I want to rip Morrigan's eyes out when she tells him he will enjoy it. I mixed my party up a little this play through, and I'm getting some New dialogs - I'm pretty friendly with Mo, but she keeps asking Zev when is he going to finish the job (killing me) WTF.

My HNM will do the deed w/ Mo himself, but I'm on the fence about my FM. She has no interest in Al (she would be perfect for Anders), she's kind of a Morrigan light - they're having all kinds of fun running around Loathering, threatening priests. She probably shouldn't have any qualms about throwing Al to Mo, but I don't know if I could do that to him - especially his first time. So, I might just do the US, and see what it is about

Modifié par rak72, 04 avril 2010 - 04:37 .

[LadyDamodred]

For some of these companions, we traveled to together for nearly a year. Not just knew for a long time, but spent literally every moment together in a group for months on end. I think it is highly unrealistic that they would say nothing about Alistair, considering they knew of your relationship with him. Regardless of their feelings for him, they should at least say they feel bad for me. I mean, Eamon, for Christ's sake, says nothing! Anora at least says something about her dad.



And yes, it is incredibly depressing that in the end, the only one who will truly mourn Alistair is your PC. He deserved better than that.

[Axekix]

So in the WC ending, Alistair actually steps up to the plate for once? You really don't have to make him do it, like with everything else in the game? Interesting.

Modifié par Axekix, 04 avril 2010 - 08:41 .

[LadyDamodred]

If he's in love with you, you cannot talk him out of it. It's really distressing, at least for my PCs.

[sylvanaerie]

Axekix wrote...

So in the WC ending, Alistair actually steps up to the plate for once? You really don't have to make him do it, like with everything else in the game? Interesting.

He says something like "this is the best king I can be" and actually BEGS to take the final blow.  If you didn't romance him he will let you do it if you insist but if you did romance him he won't take no for an answer.  He just takes charge then and does it over your objections (If you object).

[Sarah1281]

Does he insist if you broke up with him before the Landsmeet?

Modifié par Sarah1281, 04 avril 2010 - 09:11 .

[Axekix]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Axekix wrote...

So in the WC ending, Alistair actually steps up to the plate for once? You really don't have to make him do it, like with everything else in the game? Interesting.

He says something like "this is the best king I can be" and actually BEGS to take the final blow.  If you didn't romance him he will let you do it if you insist but if you did romance him he won't take no for an answer.  He just takes charge then and does it over your objections (If you object).

Hmm... that actually makes me view his character differently.  I kinda liked it better when I could write him off as a wuss :/

[Sarah1281]

You could still write him off as a wuss becaus even though he doesn't trust Anora to rule because he thinks she's too much like her father, he still goes and gets himself killed due to what sounds suspiciously like insecurities about becoming king.

[sylvanaerie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Does he insist if you broke up with him before the Landsmeet?

Yes.  Even if you are no longer technically in "Love" status he still insists.  All you had to be was romantic at one point with him.  Wait...Not sure if you had to reach love PRIOR to breaking up though.  I guess it would depend on how far the romance had gone by then.

Can someone else answer that one?  I really don't know if you had to be at Love or just Adore to get the "I won't let you kill yourself" speech from Al?

@Axekix
There is a line he says when you bring up Anora where he does say she will be better at ruling than he would.  So there is the feeling he still feels insecure about his ability to rule.  But if you didn't romance him he will accept you taking the blow and go on to be king (If thats what you chose during the Landsmeet).

But if he was romanced no way is he letting the woman he loves take that blow instead of himself.  

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 04 avril 2010 - 09:28 .

[Axekix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

You could still write him off as a wuss becaus even though he doesn't trust Anora to rule because he thinks she's too much like her father, he still goes and gets himself killed due to what sounds suspiciously like insecurities about becoming king.

Ah, excellent!

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

When I had Alistair sacrifice himself in front of my mage, who he had broken it off with post Landsmeet, I spent a few hours with a bottle of Baileys and some kleenex. The US ending was also pretty sad too.



First time I've gotten weepy over a game, really.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I admit that leading a werewolf army to massacre the dalish was a bit too exciting.

[LadyDamodred]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I admit that leading a werewolf army to massacre the dalish was a bit too exciting.

Do I even want to know what you mean by "exciting"?

*attempts to drag her mind out of the gutter*

[Costin_Razvan]

You know your a sadistic bastard right Knight? Though I won't lie I THOROUGHLY enjoyed slaughtering the Dalish myself, especially on my Dalish elf playthrough.



I only got weepy when I saw my entire army marching to Denerim and the victory celebration after.