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[spoe71]

There is a lot to choose from in the Codex, and Awakening provided a wonderful (at least for me it was) outlet in between epic releases, but if Bioware asked you what you wanted the next full-length epic to focus on, what would you choose?
 
I’m torn between two top possibles (among many others I would be just as happy to see).
 
1) A campaign focused on a full-scale mage revolt, led by a diabolical first enchanter, Irving’s replacement, aimed at the Templars and the Chantry. The new first enchanter, absolutely tired of being a Chantry slave, needs an army, so he/she delves into long-forgotten magic to find and awaken the sixth Old God (who subsequently rallies his darkspawn minions) and enlists the help of a powerful Fade demon, perhaps one who has made his and his minion’s home in the Black City. The heroes would have to fight a war comprised of two key evils: the darkspawn and the demons. I would love Sean Connery, Max Von Sydow, or James Earl Jones as the voice of the antagonistic first enchanter. Very epic.
 
2) A campaign focused on the now-grown demon baby Morrigan left with. She made it clear that death wasn’t much more than an inconvenience for Flemmeth. Naturally, she returns for revenge: she kills Morrigan, takes the child, raises it as her own, and then unleashes it into the world or, even better, inhabits the old god herself. I am, however, at a bit of a loss as to what her motivation would be. I don’t imagine she would condone the child-god seeking out darkspawn (though they may be attracted to him regardless) because she was adamant about the Blight being defeated in the original game, but, then again, that was likely her plan in the first place. I mean, it is Flemmeth we’re talking about—if anyone can possess an old god’s soul, she can. She is very old and powerful: perhaps she found a way to control the old god and the darkspawn—perfect tools for world domination. I would love to square off against Flemmeth as a major end boss on nightmare mode. I hope Kate Mulgrew would return for that. Her voice was perfect.
 
Anyway, anyone else have a few thoughts?  My warden commander would have no objections in undertaking another epic adventure. Can’t hurt to throw out some hooks. And I for one would love to see this game continue on. We still have two sleeping Old Gods also: it isn’t like I would shy away from playing through another Blight just like the first one.

[Axekix]

IMO continuing Morrigan's story is much more interesting. I have so many questions left unanswered about that situation and Flemeth in general (the most intriguing character in DA imo).



Morrigan never says why she has to leave or why she feels she must go alone. She never gives specifics on what her intentions really are with the child. How does Flemeth factor in? Was our confrontation with her part of her plan as well?



There's a lot of potential for a pretty epic storyline there imo. Though killing Morrigan off screen would be kinda lame.

[sylvanaerie]

question...the god child is a god child because of the dragon soul in it. If Flemeth (or Morrigan) possess it (Even if that were possible) the game already establishes that two souls cannot inhabit the same body (hence how GW's destroy the AD). If Flemeth/Morrigan succeed in displacing that old soul to take the body, wouldn't it just be Flemeth/Morrigan instead of god baby (that's assuming they have the power to displace the Old Godling's soul in the first place).



But I think both of your ideas are intriguing and pick up plot threads already left hanging in place. Something about Morrigan would be nice though if God Baby is adult it would mean the PC is old/dead. Unless its life cycle ages it prematurely. Could even be a reason why she seeks out the daddy esp considering she swore you/Alistair would never see the child. Otherwise not much reason/emotion behind bringing Morrigan back unless you metagame since you would have to play a whole new PC.

[Master Shiori]

Continuation of Morrigan's Dark Ritual story.



It left a lot of "what if" questions and of all the lose ends from Origins, this 1 seems to have the biggest impact on the future of Thedas.

[Raiil]

I would like Morrigan to make a reappearance, with or without her demon baby.





I would like to see Ferelden fight off a (human) invasion of some sort, or have the Chantry try to take over various lands (the game could start with them having overthrown Celene). This would be the perfect excuse to send us out of Ferelden to gather allies in other countries, let us meet more Crows, etc. The darkspawn could still be a threat as well, since they never go away completely.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

I would love to be able to travel to Orlais to investigate a possible uprising of nobles and a few rogue Grey Wardens and stop them from overthrowing Celene and invading Ferelden once again.

You could add a lot of little details to the mix.

[spoe71]

sylvanaerie wrote...

question...the god child is a god child because of the dragon soul in it. If Flemeth (or Morrigan) possess it (Even if that were possible) the game already establishes that two souls cannot inhabit the same body (hence how GW's destroy the AD). If Flemeth/Morrigan succeed in displacing that old soul to take the body, wouldn't it just be Flemeth/Morrigan instead of god baby (that's assuming they have the power to displace the Old Godling's soul in the first place).

But I think both of your ideas are intriguing and pick up plot threads already left hanging in place. Something about Morrigan would be nice though if God Baby is adult it would mean the PC is old/dead. Unless its life cycle ages it prematurely. Could even be a reason why she seeks out the daddy esp considering she swore you/Alistair would never see the child. Otherwise not much reason/emotion behind bringing Morrigan back unless you metagame since you would have to play a whole new PC.

Those are both very good insights.  I think Flemmeth could probably still displace the god-soul and keep whatever mortal power it possessed--which I'm guessing would be her plan anyway as, given her practice of sacrificing her "daughters," she probably isn't very concerned with a host's demise so long as she still gets what she wants.  If she kept the god's power, it would elevate her own capabilities far beyond what they are now (which is still not measurable since we know very little about Flemmeth save that she is very, very old and capable of some pretty amazing feats).  Otherwise, there would be a total bi polar-type thing going on, and that would remind me entirely too much of my darkspawn...er...wonderful mother-in-law.  Ooops...did I say that?   Sorry, honey.  I love your mother.  Really.

Given GW's have a short lifespan, your latter point makes especially good sense.  And though I would love to continue with my original hero, I wouldn't mind starting a new chapter with a new hero.  That seems to be par for the course in most RPG sequels anyway.  It isn't like the new hero would be completely unaware of who his/her predecessor was since it was the GW who saved the world from the last Blight.  That alone would add legendary status to that figure and provide a nice lead-in to such a campaign. 

But, also, it could take place in the last stages of the original hero's life.  Duncan, for example, was much older than the hero GW.  It's reasonable that the god baby could advance to early adulthood within the lifespan of the original hero, especially if Flemmeth were involved.  We don't actually know if there is a "minimum age" that she takes over another body.  We only have Morrigan as an example, but I don't recall in the story if Morrigan ever mentioned at what age Flemmeth typically worked her magic, but I'm assuming it's whenever she gets tired of her current form.  But, like I said, we know very little about the enigmatic Flemmeth.  I love her, though--fascinating character.

Anyway, great points.  Thanks for filling in the gaps!

[prizm123]

Morrigan's story, an invasion of the Black City in the Fade that we must undertake to stop a very powerful fade demon overlord, the Architect becomes an ally for the invasion with a darkspawn party member, all this with a Qunari civil war where we reunite with Sten to prevent the Qunari from trying to reinvade Ferelden, as a side story the Orlesians genuinely want to help the rebuilding effort but are still greeted with mistrust and you must partake in some Orlesian court politics with our new ally, the Orlesian Empress

[uberdowzen]

I don't reckon anything is going to happen in regards to the mages revolting against the chantry until Dragon Age 3. Seems like one of those things they won't resolve until the end.

[spoe71]

I for one am convinced that Morrigan was possessed by Flemeth (using blood magic) all along, and that she simply played a tiny part in Flemeth's grand scheme of things without even knowing it.

Absolutely.  I think that's my biggest attraction to Flemmeth, that anything could be going on.  She's one of those plans-within-plans-within-plans kinds of characters, which might explain the relative ease in defeating her on the trip back for the book.  My first thought on that was, "For a centuries-old witch, she sure wasn't hard to put down." 

hmmmm....

(well, she was on nightmare mode, but that's not the point)

[sylvanaerie]

spoe71 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

question...the god child is a god child because of the dragon soul in it. If Flemeth (or Morrigan) possess it (Even if that were possible) the game already establishes that two souls cannot inhabit the same body (hence how GW's destroy the AD). If Flemeth/Morrigan succeed in displacing that old soul to take the body, wouldn't it just be Flemeth/Morrigan instead of god baby (that's assuming they have the power to displace the Old Godling's soul in the first place).

But I think both of your ideas are intriguing and pick up plot threads already left hanging in place. Something about Morrigan would be nice though if God Baby is adult it would mean the PC is old/dead. Unless its life cycle ages it prematurely. Could even be a reason why she seeks out the daddy esp considering she swore you/Alistair would never see the child. Otherwise not much reason/emotion behind bringing Morrigan back unless you metagame since you would have to play a whole new PC.

Those are both very good insights.  I think Flemmeth could probably still displace the god-soul and keep whatever mortal power it possessed--which I'm guessing would be her plan anyway as, given her practice of sacrificing her "daughters," she probably isn't very concerned with a host's demise so long as she still gets what she wants.  If she kept the god's power, it would elevate her own capabilities far beyond what they are now (which is still not measurable since we know very little about Flemmeth save that she is very, very old and capable of some pretty amazing feats).  Otherwise, there would be a total bi polar-type thing going on, and that would remind me entirely too much of my darkspawn...er...wonderful mother-in-law.  Ooops...did I say that?   Sorry, honey.  I love your mother.  Really.

Given GW's have a short lifespan, your latter point makes especially good sense.  And though I would love to continue with my original hero, I wouldn't mind starting a new chapter with a new hero.  That seems to be par for the course in most RPG sequels anyway.  It isn't like the new hero would be completely unaware of who his/her predecessor was since it was the GW who saved the world from the last Blight.  That alone would add legendary status to that figure and provide a nice lead-in to such a campaign. 

But, also, it could take place in the last stages of the original hero's life.  Duncan, for example, was much older than the hero GW.  It's reasonable that the god baby could advance to early adulthood within the lifespan of the original hero, especially if Flemmeth were involved.  We don't actually know if there is a "minimum age" that she takes over another body.  We only have Morrigan as an example, but I don't recall in the story if Morrigan ever mentioned at what age Flemmeth typically worked her magic, but I'm assuming it's whenever she gets tired of her current form.  But, like I said, we know very little about the enigmatic Flemmeth.  I love her, though--fascinating character.

Anyway, great points.  Thanks for filling in the gaps!

hehe I kinda feel the same way about my dragon-in-law...and she IS bi-polar the wench! 

Yea my thing with the whole displacement though is once the dragon soul is displaced the body just becomes Flemeth (or Morrigan's if that was her plan) in the body of a human.  Nothing more special than Morrigan's DNA  + the PC/Alistair/Loghain's would permit.  Thinking possession might have been the plan but that may not be so easily carried out with such a powerful force as an ancient godling's soul to contend with.  At the very least it would be interesting as hell if the child turns up at your doorstep with half Flemeth (Or half Morrigan) in it and wanting help with the situation. A whole new meaning to split personality with that one.

Add to that the darkspawn going gaga over the song of the Old Gods that could be a focus of the next one (If they go with the DR as canon).  Morrigan showing up on your doorstep barely ahead of the Darkspawns after her child (or as a friend of mine posted elsewhere on the board, Architect or his assistant kidnapping said child for whatever nefarious plans they have).

[spoe71]

It would be interesting. Lots of twists and turns are possible when it comes to Morrigan, her demon baby, and Flemmeth. Of course, it could be a possession attempt that goes horribly wrong, too. What if Flemmeth, in all her power, is just a tad bit overconfident. Her possession attempt could turn into a massive blunder that unleashes a Maker-knows-what, darkspawn singing demon-Chuck-Norris into the world.

On the other hand, Flemmeth might know exactly what she's doing. For all we know, she's the reason the Golden City turned black, but I might be stretching a bit there. But just to rule that out, do you recall if there is any mention of exactly how old she is and whether or not her age spans back to the Imperium's heyday?

Modifié par spoe71, 04 avril 2010 - 01:57 .

[Thor Rand Al]

Valentia X wrote...
I would like to see Ferelden fight off a (human) invasion of some sort, or have the Chantry try to take over various lands (the game could start with them having overthrown Celene). This would be the perfect excuse to send us out of Ferelden to gather allies in other countries, let us meet more Crows, etc. The darkspawn could still be a threat as well, since they never go away completely.

This could be good.  I'd also like to add maybe seeing Warden's doing something else besides fighting DS. 
I still think that there's some kind of message in Awakenings as far as how much control the other Warden's are really trying to get. 
I'm curious as to how having Alistair who's a Grey Warden and a King could have an affect, could the other Warden's see this as a stronger push for them to try and take over Ferelden if they do try and gain control.  And how would Alistair and/or hero Warden deal with this, (whether it be if you have a HNM who married Anora or you were a HNF who married Alistair). 
Even if you were a mage or an elf this could have an impact on you as your living in Ferelden.  There's so many ways this could be played.  I'd enjoy seeing the Warden's take a different direction than dealing just with DS.

[sylvanaerie]

I think in an early conversation with her where she tells the PC Flemeth's history she mentions "centuries ago" if you ask her how long ago this story took place. Certainly long before Ferelden was called Ferelden.

So at least more than 500 years as the Black Ages mentioned in the HN origin took place around then I think? And as Ferelden was a Ferelden then maybe shes 500+ years old?



If the story is to be believed (which Morrigan seems to think so and why would she lie about something like that?)

[spoe71]

 I'd also like to add maybe seeing Warden's doing something else besides fighting DS

The Qunari come to mind.  There's no telling what kind of exotic stuff they employ in warfare: really ticked off war elephants, made-insane shock troops--all kinds of scary stuff.

We've also seen a lot of what typical Ferelden politics look like.  There could always be plots related to court intrigue.  And I don't even want to mention the kind of Exalted March a really corrupt Chantry might dream up.  Domestic threats can be just as dangerous as exteral ones.

But the idea of using darkspawn forever would give the game the Star Wars Syndrome: the Empire makes a superweapon; the rebels destroy it.  The Empire makes another superweapon; the rebels destroy it again.  In the novels that followed, more superweapons for the rebels to destroy.  We don't want that, certainly.  I'm not exactly tired of fighting darkspawn at this point, but you're right.  They'll have to put something else in there sooner or later.

EDIT: but, to be honest, Bioware knows that.  One can look at the fresh take they put on traditional fantasy races in this game to know that they are aware of the cliche's.  When I first heard about the game, I thought, "graceful, elaborate elves who live in giant tree-cities and sturdy, honorable dwarves."  It felt like a cool shower after mowing the yard in August when I discovered what they did to "tradition" in this game. Someone must have read Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery" and said, "Hey, lets do something different for once."  If they plan to take DA further, I'm sure there's more on the burner than just darkspawn.

Modifié par spoe71, 04 avril 2010 - 02:21 .

[Jawson]

I like the Qunari aspect as well, will they be enemies, or allies against a greater threat. I also think there will be more of the Morrigan story, she definitely wasn't telling us everything, even when she supposedly loved one of my toons. If you go back and listen to the early dialog of her and Flemeth, there was a definite tone of, oh you mean it starts now? Then she comes joins the warden's, I always got the feeling the more I spoke with her that there were ulterior motives at work, and the battle with her mother was a sham, I think the two were either working together, or Morrigan was Flemeth for most of the time. Also there was her supposed anti religion aspect, yet she was very interested in the soul of an "old god", something is fishy. I think there is more up their sleeves than just forcing a soul out of a body, then stealing it. I also think a mage revolt is inevitable, I will be very excited when this new game gets close to being a reality.

[spoe71]

Jawson wrote...

I also think a mage revolt is inevitable.

Yeah, the situation for the mages is at a boiling point for sure--man, that's a zit ready to pop.  And if they want a non-darkspawn army (they'll have to have one to crush the Chantry's Exalted March, which is inevitable if the mages declare independence), I know where a bunch of Qunari live...

instead of really ticked off war elephants, they would have really ticked off, fireball-throwing war elephants surrounded by demons!  how fun!

EDIT: And lets not forget, Sten specifically said a Qunari invasion would likely happen.  Seems reasonable for the Circle to send ambassadors to them with the promise of riches, glory, new lands, and heads on platters.

Modifié par spoe71, 04 avril 2010 - 02:49 .

[sylvanaerie]

hmmm Also maybe if the game takes place several years into the future the original PC is also someone you either get to start off playing then sort of pass the torch to a younger PC you make to play for the rest of the expansion (Kind of like the way people would join you in Origin stories to help out against the bad guys). EIther a new young Warden (ala Duncan mentoring Alistair) or maybe a family member (Nephew/niece of the original PC) Notice how all the origins had someone who could be a sibling type character to your PC if not an actual sibling? Soris/Shianni for CE, Fergus for Nobles, (okay no one for Mages but there weren't really any families in there unless you let Jowan survive in your playthroughs so I guess his kid might qualify), Bhelen would cover both DN and DC as he was seeing Rica (the commoner's sister) and she was pregnant, plus the Dalish being very clannish always seem to look after their own too.



I for one am tired of Darkspawn. Would be nice to see something else. I mean HONESTLY after saving the world from the Biggest bad there is, the rest of the PC's life (if they didn't die killing it) is pretty much anticlimatic.

[Epona222]

Not everyone did the dark ritual. It can't possibly be the story for DA2, because that would alienate everyone who never went that route. Just like Awakening p***ed off those who had their warden die at the end of Origins, then found they could import their character from an earlier save into the expansion, as if nothing happened..

Give me something new, I really want to see Orlais... and not be a grey warden... and start again at a low level and build up a new character... with a new story...

Modifié par Epona222, 04 avril 2010 - 03:37 .

[spoe71]

Well, you know as well as I do you can't make everyone happy. The people whose main characters dies at the end of Origins have the option of creating a new character for Awakening. If they loaded up their old toon, the one who died, and were ticked off because they were able to play Awakening, it's not Bioware's fault.

I'm sure if they made one featuring the demon baby, a new character option would be available for that as well regardless of whether or not they did the dark ritual with Morrigan.

The bottom line there is sacrifices have to be made. Nothing is perfect. I think it's understandable.

EDIT: besides, what other option is there for people whose character dies?  "I'm sorry, sir, but you aren't allowed to play the game because your endgame choice ended in your character's demise." 

Modifié par spoe71, 04 avril 2010 - 04:02 .

[wwwwowwww]

spoe71 wrote...

There is a lot to choose from in the Codex, and Awakening provided a wonderful (at least for me it was) outlet in between epic releases, but if Bioware asked you what you wanted the next full-length epic to focus on, what would you choose?
 
I’m torn between two top possibles (among many others I would be just as happy to see).
 
1) A campaign focused on a full-scale mage revolt, led by a diabolical first enchanter, Irving’s replacement, aimed at the Templars and the Chantry. The new first enchanter, absolutely tired of being a Chantry slave, needs an army, so he/she delves into long-forgotten magic to find and awaken the sixth Old God (who subsequently rallies his darkspawn minions) and enlists the help of a powerful Fade demon, perhaps one who has made his and his minion’s home in the Black City. The heroes would have to fight a war comprised of two key evils: the darkspawn and the demons. I would love Sean Connery, Max Von Sydow, or James Earl Jones as the voice of the antagonistic first enchanter. Very epic.
 
2) A campaign focused on the now-grown demon baby Morrigan left with. She made it clear that death wasn’t much more than an inconvenience for Flemmeth. Naturally, she returns for revenge: she kills Morrigan, takes the child, raises it as her own, and then unleashes it into the world or, even better, inhabits the old god herself. I am, however, at a bit of a loss as to what her motivation would be. I don’t imagine she would condone the child-god seeking out darkspawn (though they may be attracted to him regardless) because she was adamant about the Blight being defeated in the original game, but, then again, that was likely her plan in the first place. I mean, it is Flemmeth we’re talking about—if anyone can possess an old god’s soul, she can. She is very old and powerful: perhaps she found a way to control the old god and the darkspawn—perfect tools for world domination. I would love to square off against Flemmeth as a major end boss on nightmare mode. I hope Kate Mulgrew would return for that. Her voice was perfect.
 
Anyway, anyone else have a few thoughts?  My warden commander would have no objections in undertaking another epic adventure. Can’t hurt to throw out some hooks. And I for one would love to see this game continue on. We still have two sleeping Old Gods also: it isn’t like I would shy away from playing through another Blight just like the first one.

Why couldn't it be both of those? I mean Morrigan detested the Chantry, it would reason to stand that the child would also. He could be powerful enough to make an uprising of mages himself.

I think combining the two stories would be epic indeed. Only hang up is I couldn't see a mage willingly trying to stop the mages from getting freedom.

I would like to see a quest that starts at point A leading to point Z type of thing without you having to return to places over and over. Like working your way up or down a coast, across the sea or something like that.

[Super_Cat]

Okay so how about you are a thief in Orlais, and for some reason you have to deal with Chevaliers and the Imperial Court who want to kill you because.... you stole the Empresses' shoes for money. But the person who gave you the job, a mysterious redhead who is obsessed with pretty shoes, doesn't give you the money once you give her the shoes!



So now you have the entire nation of Orlais out to kill you over a pair of shoes and the only way to survive is to take a new identity, infiltrate the Imperial Court and somehow overturn the death warrant out on yourself while trying to avoid falling in love with a minor nobleman/woman who wants to sleep with you, or kill you. Not sure which, it's Orlais.



And then just when you are about to achieve your goal, Morrigan comes and gives birth all over the floor. And it had just been cleaned....

[Maria13]

 
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Why couldn't it be both of those? I mean Morrigan detested the Chantry, it would reason to stand that the child would also. He could be powerful enough to make an uprising of mages himself.

I think combining the two stories would be epic indeed. Only hang up is I couldn't see a mage willingly trying to stop the mages from getting freedom.

I would like to see a quest that starts at point A leading to point Z type of thing without you having to return to places over and over. Like working your way up or down a coast, across the sea or something like that.

[/quote]


That is also my take.  But a mage revolt does not have to be precipitated by the advent of demon child,  merely conteporaneous to it.  Plus it would not be clear that all the rebels would necessarily be evil.  And, while we're here, what about the dwarves? The end card for DA:O makes very clear that there's trouble brewing right there, social/religious revolt a threatened exalted march like that against the elves, oh yeah, let's not forget the Dalish....

Ferelden's near future is full of chaotic potential...

[Devil_666]

Well... first of all, i killed the great Flemmeth, and i dont think returning her would be of any use anymore lets just be honest... her time is up But what i really would like to see in the next DA game would be Morrigan of course, and playable. In my opinion she's the coolest character in DA, i know most dont agree with me, but well... i dont care (H)

Like Sylvanaerie wrote the story of returning Morrigan would be a nice one, i would even add a little to that. If you transfer your old character from a previous DA game there would be like a little prequel to the story where you find Morrigan or Morrigan finds you, needing for help against the ones who want to kidnap the child, your child. Then there would be a great battle, where in the end is a cutscene and you wake up remembering NOTHING, childs gone and Morrigan filling you in with the details and thats where the real game starts, you will start at lv.1 to build up your character again, and for newcomers or who dont want to play with an old character for them the game starts at that point, with a prequel cutscene. And around this quest to find your missing child or helping to find a powerful god-child (newcomer) you will start to figure out who/what/why/when/where.... and so the story goes... Sorry i just came into that idea by reading your posts here, so i havent thought lot about that, thats why such an open plot but well thats what i would let the GREAT BioWare to think about. Cause they made such a lame ending to the DAO, for a game what supposed to be influenced by players options, the only thing i could chance with Morrigan's ending is to see, the ring told no more.... :S what the.... :S:@ And of course the romance should be back in the new game. Removing it from the awakening was like removing minigames from final fantasy game (ff13) :S

And to wwwwowwww, quest starting from point A to point Z, i think you should try another game instead, for example god of war 3, also a great game.



PS! BioWare! Bring back my wardog Beast man man man (H)