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[Kaiser Shepard]

Perhaps they still need to put up a title update for the game, since I assume Kasumi will come with an achievement.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Ah, thanks for confirming.

[AlbertoAquilani]

Ah, it must be coming soon then, nice I'm actually downloading the Assassin's Creed 2 DLC now so that should keep me busy today.

[Luke Bioware]

Me. Duh.

[Kaiser Shepard]

It's on the US Marketplace now as well. Still goddamn undownloadable, though. Should be up within the hour.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 06 avril 2010 - 12:32 .

[Your Synthetic Superior]

LuPoM wrote...

Did you actually read and understood what I wrote? Or I was talking to a wall? While I don't agree with your point of view, but I can understand it, you on the other hand don't want to understand how it works on the development side, calling it just "bullpoop* or different standards.
If this game was Baldur's Gate II and having a timeline some of the wanted content, which existance was made to the public, didn't made it to the game becouse of a timeline and becouse the game had to respect a high standard and should not suffer for more content but rushed (quite the opposite of what you've said), you would complain blaming them becouse that content HAD to be in the game and the game was rushed?
Now I'm pretty sure that there were a few things in BG2 that didn't made it to the retail game, and the DLCs works exactly for that, post develop something that you as a developer wanted to include but that was discarded in the planning stage for the timeline of the retail game.

I don't know how to explain that concept further, this is my last attempt, if you don't want to understand it, well, it's your loss in time and anger about that

This the the problem with humans. You lack the ability to comprehend that others simply do not agree with you.  As if the only conclusion someone could come to is yours if they truly understand.  I don't care if Bioware could not fit two characters into the game in the timeline EA gave them. That does not matter. I repeat - IT DOES NOT MATTER. Kasumi is a part of the main storyline (Note: I don't care if you disagree. You do NOT have to agree with me). The game was rushed because it is loaded with bugs, broken mechanics and was not play tested, not necessarily because two characters were cut. But it was rushed nontheless.

Charging 15% of the cost for 1-3% of the total game is, in my opinion, wrong. Deal with it.  And just because I don't agreee with something doesn't mean I'm foaming at the mouth enraged about it. Humans are greedy. What's new?

[AdrynBliss]

All week i was set to download as soon as it was available then the day finally came and oddly i find now the time is actually here i'm just not enthused enough to even bother.
All the business with the bazzar and so on has seemed to suck the enthusiasm right out of me for bioware titles.
EA's taint has left me with a strange apathy for bioware, and believe me, pre-EA i was one of bio's stalwart supporters, lauding their great talents every  oppotunity I could, am I alone in feeling this way.

Modifié par AdrynBliss, 06 avril 2010 - 02:11 .

[AdrynBliss]

>.< damn
quote button right next to edit! grrrrr!

Modifié par AdrynBliss, 06 avril 2010 - 02:12 .

[Busternated]

Thezezeal wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

By the way, I'm sure this has been mentioned a million times before, but there's a news announcement on Illium that mentions a thief called Kasumi having stolen something or other.

But see, to me that just means they had this character planned from the get-go, so I expect her to fit in the game nicely and not feel tacked on. Because this entire debate about whether or not she was "cut from the game" is a load of horsesh*t. ME2 out of the box is what it is. If more content was planned, in development or even fully developed when the game came out, I fail to see how it somehow follows logically that we're entitled to it with the price we're paying for ME2. That's like saying because you paid for ME2, every idea in the head of every person at Bioware is now yours. It's ridiculous. ME2 as it is minus ALL of the DLC that's out right now is a complete game that can be played and finished as-is. The end.

Edit: Editted for clarification/Better expression of meaning.

As has been said a number of times, however (and as was mentioned above by YSS) there was an original announcement of 12 members and-- as you prove yourself-- in game references to the character. This suggests that there was intent beforehand to include the character. Whilst you are certainly right that this does not mean it should be free "just because it might have been there" (not quoting you, just expressing concept), it is partly where the problem lies:
If we assume that they were working on it at the same time the Game was in development (which is proven, at least in theory, by the inclusion of SOME files-- no matter how few), then we can infer that either...

1. They originally intended the character to be shipped with the 1.0/Standard Edition/Release Day version of the Game-- that is, the character would have been on the disk-- at a slightly higher price (approx £49.00 here in the UK)

OR...

2. They originally intended the character to be shipped with the 1.0/Standard Edition/Release Day version of the Game-- that is, the character would have been on the disk-- as part of the £45.00 Retail Price on Release Day.

If it is the latter, then that means people are being asked now to pay £3/4 more for something that would have been on the purchase disk for "free" (free as in covered by the Purchase Price of the Game). The main issue lies in two things:

A ) Why it is not on the Disk already -- Was it delayed? Intentionally cut as a scam to make more money? Not Finished? Only a concept, as you suggest?

AND...

B ) Are we willing to believe the official word? For some of us, past experience makes us unwilling to trust that "This wasn’t ready-- any pre-existing content was just preparation work). Instead, some of us suspect it was a case of : "Cut this, they’ll happily pay for it later, and we’ll make more money".

Did it ever come to you to think of the possibility that Bioware just included the files so you wouldn't have to download so much more data on DLC release? That said. yes I am definately going to buy the Kasumi DLC. I've bought every other DLC so far, even the appearances pack (purely because I like Garrus and Jack's armor from it). To be honest, we should be glad BioWare decided to release this many DLC's for free. Don't forget, they could've put a price tag on Zaeed, Firewalker and all that too. Yet they didn't. But it is as they say, give someone a finger and they will want the entire hand...

[Gumbeaux Jr]

I'm an achievement ****, and I have 100% in Mass Effect 2, so yes I will be buying it at some point. Probably at $7, even though I find that price to be a little high...

[LenaMarie]

lol Fanboys think anything is fair. Bioware would charge 50$ for 5 hours and you still have idiots who will buy it and think its a good deal.



Some people are total sheep, EA Bioware is completely going down the Less for More road and some of these fanboys are falling for it hook, line and sinker. The sad part about this is all is they defend it with their dying breath.



Thats pretty bad even for Sheep.

[CAGE2889]

got to have it..........so yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees....ill be buying it today...... yeah

[Extacykillz]

hell i dont think 7 bucks is too high.. look at MW2 DLC and the price on that

[Twosday]

Too small an amount of content for me to be interested in. I don't think small little pieces of DLC work very well in games of this type. Some of the earlier small DLC was kind of neat since I was still in the midst of playing through the game a few times and it was a bit of extra fun that came in pretty seamlessly, but now I would want something a lot more substantial as a reason to start fresh.

The price point doesn't help much either. No, seven dollars or whatever isn't a lot of money, but it's difficult for me to justify given the amount of added playtime per dollar vs. playtime per dollar of the base game.

[Thezezeal]

Busternated wrote...
Did it ever come to you to think of the possibility that Bioware just included the files so you wouldn't have to download so much more data on DLC release? That said. yes I am definately going to buy the Kasumi DLC. I've bought every other DLC so far, even the appearances pack (purely because I like Garrus and Jack's armor from it). To be honest, we should be glad BioWare decided to release this many DLC's for free. Don't forget, they could've put a price tag on Zaeed, Firewalker and all that too. Yet they didn't. But it is as they say, give someone a finger and they will want the entire hand...

So they just stuck random data on there in the expectation that we'd buy it? "As a little "Reward" for buying the DLC, you don't need to download as much data" Yeah... I don't believe that, personally. Fortunately, that's the benefit of an opinion-- I can believe what I want, even if I may be wrong 

And I second that idea, Twosday.

Modifié par Thezezeal, 06 avril 2010 - 05:02 .

[mybudgee]

I would rather get an arcade game with my Micro points!! or the r.c. mako...

[MotoSkunkX]

$7 to complete Shepard's "dirty dozen" and an hour to 2 hours of fun? Sure, why not, sounds like a good deal to me. I've paid more for a hamburger before, and it didn't last nearly as long. It was a goooood hamburger though.



Besides, I don't want to miss out on a possible cameo by Kasumi in ME3(no one gets left behind in my games >) because I was too cheap to shell out $7.

[Busternated]

MotoSkunkX wrote...

$7 to complete Shepard's "dirty dozen" and an hour to 2 hours of fun? Sure, why not, sounds like a good deal to me. I've paid more for a hamburger before, and it didn't last nearly as long. It was a goooood hamburger though.

Besides, I don't want to miss out on a possible cameo by Kasumi in ME3(no one gets left behind in my games >) because I was too cheap to shell out $7.

Haha, same here ;p Would hate to see she gets continued in ME3, and I didn't buy her cause well, 7 dollars was too much...

[catabuca]

I don't think I will get it. I've played through twice, and have gotten bored of my 3rd playthrough, so there's no reason to buy it. Also, I'm feeling pretty disillusioned with Bioware atm, so I don't want to give them my support at this time.

[Blue_dodo]

if it was fifteen dollers the yeah I wouldn't buy



but it isn't I 'll probably buy it atsome point, I felt that buying perfect dark was worth 800 (10.00) dollers over this dlc... plus the nostalga is a bonus.



but yeah I may buy it at some point, people will scream that bioware is fleecing even though that so far the rest of the dlc except for the alt appearance (which I am not getting) has been free.



tl;dr I will get it at some point, perfect dark was worth it way more then this,people will complain even if pretty much everything else has been free (which it has)

[Blue_dodo]

Thezezeal wrote...

Busternated wrote...
Did it ever come to you to think of the possibility that Bioware just included the files so you wouldn't have to download so much more data on DLC release? That said. yes I am definately going to buy the Kasumi DLC. I've bought every other DLC so far, even the appearances pack (purely because I like Garrus and Jack's armor from it). To be honest, we should be glad BioWare decided to release this many DLC's for free. Don't forget, they could've put a price tag on Zaeed, Firewalker and all that too. Yet they didn't. But it is as they say, give someone a finger and they will want the entire hand...

So they just stuck random data on there in the expectation that we'd buy it? "As a little "Reward" for buying the DLC, you don't need to download as much data" Yeah... I don't believe that, personally. Fortunately, that's the benefit of an opinion-- I can believe what I want, even if I may be wrong 

And I second that idea, Twosday.

sorry for bouble posting but I would like to point out that those files were only placers, i.e the charecter voice the actual  charecter was even in the squad

[Thezezeal]

Blue_dodo wrote...

sorry for bouble posting but I would like to point out that those files were only placers, i.e the charecter voice the actual  charecter was even in the squad

I'm not debating THAT, all I'm arguing is 1) I don't think it's worth it and 2) I've dealt with enough businesses and executives to know that too-many are perfectly happy to screw their customers. Even if there was only ONE file on the disk associated with the DLC, that doesn't prove that it wasn't removed prior to releace specifically to make more money.

Sure, that might sound crazy, but I've KNOWN people who have done just that-- removed something from a product so that they could sell it later on. My experience is that they do it in a sloppy way that leaves bit behind-- for example, files, "placeholders", bits of coding, et cetera.

But that's really besides the point, since my personal reason for not buying is primarily because I do not think it's worth the money; past experience just makes me VERY suspicious.

[Silver]

I plannED to buy Kasumi... but as it looks like it either comes out at night where I might overlook it, or it will be delayed... both possible Options sucks major ba**s.