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[Stoomkal]

errant_knight wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I was looking forward to seeing the Oghren character developed. Now I really wished they'd left it alone. My opinion of him took a nosedive. In fact, I'm not looking forward to the point in my new Origins playthrough when Oghren shows up. I'd really rather not see him again. Hopefully getting to know him in Origins again will make me like him again. Or maybe I'll just leave him in camp this time.

Is there anyway to explain w/o posting spoilers? Why did your opinion nosedive?

I'd have to get spoilery--although I notice people aren't letting that hold them back. Let's see.... In Origins, he had a somewhat raunchy sense of humor--that was funny, rough edges, and a good heart. In Awakening, he was really crude without being funny, caustic in a way he hadn't been before, and it was hard to believe that the guy who would look for Branka for years was also a guy who would abandon the responsibilities he abandoned to come to Amaranthine. That's especially true when you consider what a very short time this is from the end of Awakening, certainly less than a year. He didn't try to deal with those responsibilities for very long.

While it has nothing to do with my opinion of him, per se, his joining ceremony really, really pissed me off and cheapened the ritual, and the deaths that resulted from it in prior joinings. It was a stupid, unthinking place to add humor.

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I agree completely.

He utterly ruined the first joining in the worst way - it detracted from the drama of the event, and matching a silly joke with a sudden shock was a bad idea. Terribly, terribly handled.

Also... I was looking forward to his character deepening. His family problems could have done that.

Unfortunately, his bad taste humor became outright offensive this time, and his family problems made him look like an unsympathetic bastard.

So... he really is just a drunk joke, in my opinion.

On the plus side, you can reject him this time. If anyone does *not* qualify as a Warden, it is Oghren.

[errant_knight]

heh, I meant to say what a short time it was from the end of Origins, not Awakening.... You guys got that, right?

[wwwwowwww]

I liked him in both. He's a bit more over the top in awakenings, but still funny to me.

Some seem to be mad at him because of Felsi, but from what I got he's there because of something she did.

As for his actions during the Joining, people give me a break, you act like he's smeared some sacred ritual that you personally do. It's obvious he's the type of character to mask all emotion with a joke, so I would expect nothing less of him during the ritual, and frankly I LMFAO during that moment.

[Melca36]

Hugmejohnny wrote...

I was an Oghren fan before DAA and I'm one after DAA even though Oggy doesn't like me anymore . Prerelease Oghren haters and even some Oghren fans called him shallow and a walking dirty joke. Now that he has a family and is a stronger character any haters change their opinions about him? Even if only a little.

Liked Origin's Oghren better than this drunk HATED how he made his joining a joke . I now send him back with Alistair. I can survive without him. And as for his family? He's a deadbeat.  

Modifié par Melca36, 05 avril 2010 - 02:38 .

[CybAnt1]

BTW, I agree with the "tragic character" analysis of Oghren.



He's a sad man who will always be alone (in the end, you can see what the reasons are why Branka left his sorry *ss behind, and he's not gotten over that) -- tried to start a new life with Felsi and his child -- and screwed that up, too. He'll flirt with anything female, but in this area he is all hat, no cattle.



His situation is not as bad as the casteless or other surface dwarves but is ALMOST as bad; he really doesn't fit in in Orzammar (where, as you find out, his worst fear is all the other dwarves who mock & laugh at him), and he doesn't know where else to fit in on the surface - which is why IMHO he seeks you out to join the Wardens: no other place he can call home.



Like the guy says: he's a failure at everything other than killing & drinking; and that includes any real relationships with women. And so yes I agree he's not the jolly-drinking dwarf, he's the dwarf that drinks to drown his sorrow.



What I found most sad is the 'happiest' ending I could get for Oghren didn't really seem very happy, and maybe less so for his kid. His 'happiest' ending is him coming to terms with his own loserhood. It really comes down to that.

[Caldarin V]

He's a funny character who's good for comic relief

and I mean, I'd be pretty messed up and emotionally detached if my wife ditched me and turned lesbian....

[CybAnt1]

He deflects and hides pain with humor (*). He compensates for his insecurity with swagger. Of course it's funny to watch. I laugh at the loser drunk in the bar, too. Of course it's funny but don't you feel a bit sorry for them, too?



(*) btw, Zevran, Alistair, and Anders often do this too, if you pay attention. So does "the Warden" if you pay attention to some of your OWN dialogue lines.



Incidentally, not all dwarfs have to be stereotype. One of my favorite dwarf characters was the one in the NWN saga who wanted to abandon rowdy violence for the spiritual, disciplined path of being a monk (of course, as a monk, he could still kick *ss, but we digress). Unusual, but interesting.



BTW, I suspect Branka, like a lot of other DA chars, was bisexual. I don't think she "turned" anything. Bisexuality seems to be quite normative for people of Thedas.

[Ildaron]

I'll admit I had a shallow dislike of Oghren in Orgins. I just didn't like him and I really didn't have much reason for it as I normally only had him in my party during the deep roads. That all changed after I played Awakenings. I had him in my party a great deal more and came to really get to know him. Thanks to Awakenings I have valid reasons to dislike that poor excuse for a dwarf now. Thank you Awakenings I have a valid strong hatred for Oghren and not a shallow petty one.

[asaiasai]

I think Bioware dropped the ball on this one really, they should have had the LI from Origins transfer. Yea yea i know the whole expense and time regarding the VA necessary but man that would have been so much cooler than Oghren who for the most part i can take or leave. I would have been willing to wait a bit longer for it and i would not feel so put off by the 40 dollar price for the expansion but it is MORE DA stuff so woohoo anyway. I would have preffered Mhiri survive the joining and bury Oghren but it was not be.



Asai

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

As with all Origins companions, I loved Oghren. He was not in my top 5 but he was a lovable bastard anyway.

However, here's what killed me in Awakening.
1. The Joining. Yes, I laughed at Oghren's reaction despite the fact that it slightly ruined the atmosphere. But even without Oghren, there's barely any grim atmosphere anyway. In Origins, my skin crawled during the Joining. It still does now, even though I saw the scene many times before. Awakening. Not so much. Scratch that. Not at all.
2. This pissed me off a lot. Bioware told us that the "old favorite" has a large role in the expansion. Now I ask, what is that role? Oghren has no effect on ANYTHING storywise. Hell, you can send him away minutes after you meet him. And before anyone starts, Oghren had sufficient screentime in Origns.
Returning LIs would make a lot more sense than Oghren. Even without romance dialogue thay would be much more welcome.

Modifié par DrunkDeadman, 05 avril 2010 - 07:13 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

As with all Origins companions, I loved Oghren. He was not in my top 5 but he was a lovable bastard anyway.

However, here's what killed me in Awakening.
1. The Joining. Yes, I laughed at Oghren's reaction despite the fact that it slightly ruined the atmosphere. But even without Oghren, there's barely any grim atmosphere anyway. In Origins, my skin crawled during the Joining. It still does now, even though I saw the scene many times before. Awakening. Not so much. Scratch that. Not at all.
2. This pissed me off a lot. Bioware told us that the "old favorite" has a large role in the expansion. Now I ask, what is that role? Oghren has no effect on ANYTHING storywise. Hell, you can send him away minutes after you mett him. And before anyone starts, Oghren had sufficient screentime in Origns.
Returning LIs would make a lot more sense than Oghren. Even without romance dialogue thay would be much more welcome.

I agree.  Also the worst aspects of his character seem to be amplified in awakenings.  Now he is an angry drunk (that apparently is trying to be funny)  that just makes me feel uncomfortable with his comments.

[Caldarin V]

see, he just sounds like a lot of my friends, which admittedly may say something about my friends

but hey...

[Jax Sparrow]

errant_knight wrote...

heh, I meant to say what a short time it was from the end of Origins, not Awakening.... You guys got that, right?

The guys during the podcast preview said Awakenings start seven years after the Epilogue hits in Origins.  However, I agree that I liked Oghren before but in Awakenings he was an ass;  That is why I send his ass packing now... unfortunately my Queen misread my intent and offered him a job in the royal guard...  I completely agree about it being unlike Oghren to abandon his family like that... which goes back to sending his ass packing.

Though I am not too overly concerned, despite the 'same' writers being assigned to Awakenings from Origins I expect them to pay attention to my choices in Awakenings as much as they did with character transfers into Awakenings from Origins in the first place.  interactive rpg? that must be one of those not funny jokes.  Wynne went off to Tevinter with Shale in my Epilogue but for some reason the writers for Awakenings couldn't figure out how to incorporate that.

[Melca36]

Jax Sparrow wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

heh, I meant to say what a short time it was from the end of Origins, not Awakening.... You guys got that, right?

The guys during the podcast preview said Awakenings start seven years after the Epilogue hits in Origins.  However, I agree that I liked Oghren before but in Awakenings he was an ass;  That is why I send his ass packing now... unfortunately my Queen misread my intent and offered him a job in the royal guard...  I completely agree about it being unlike Oghren to abandon his family like that... which goes back to sending his ass packing.

Though I am not too overly concerned, despite the 'same' writers being assigned to Awakenings from Origins I expect them to pay attention to my choices in Awakenings as much as they did with character transfers into Awakenings from Origins in the first place.  interactive rpg? that must be one of those not funny jokes.  Wynne went off to Tevinter with Shale in my Epilogue but for some reason the writers for Awakenings couldn't figure out how to incorporate that.

The podcast guys were wrong, its 7 months not 7 years.

[philippe willaume]

well

he was more annoying in awakening, he kind of lacked the funny side he had on origin.

so yes it is a pity he was the one carried over.

[mousestalker]

If they really wanted a dwarf from Origins in awakening, they should have picked Shale. I know there are some problems with the people who didn't have DLC, but Shale has a much more interesting story. And Shale as a dwarf would produce great dialog/joke opportunities, especially with Wynne. Not to mention Shale seeking romance advice from Sigrun.

[Big Mikey Mike]

I definitely preferred Awakening's Oghren, but he's still my least favourite character from Origins, possibly because I picked him up quite late in the game (I did Orzammar last on my first playthrough) and because I hate hate hate 2-handed warriors so never used him for that reason.



I still think his little wave when you first meet him in Awakenings is very out of character for him though - it looks so camp, and Oghren is anything but camp.

[Wishpig]

Jax Sparrow wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

heh, I meant to say what a short time it was from the end of Origins, not Awakening.... You guys got that, right?

The guys during the podcast preview said Awakenings start seven years after the Epilogue hits in Origins.  However, I agree that I liked Oghren before but in Awakenings he was an ass;  That is why I send his ass packing now... unfortunately my Queen misread my intent and offered him a job in the royal guard...  I completely agree about it being unlike Oghren to abandon his family like that... which goes back to sending his ass packing.

Though I am not too overly concerned, despite the 'same' writers being assigned to Awakenings from Origins I expect them to pay attention to my choices in Awakenings as much as they did with character transfers into Awakenings from Origins in the first place.  interactive rpg? that must be one of those not funny jokes.  Wynne went off to Tevinter with Shale in my Epilogue but for some reason the writers for Awakenings couldn't figure out how to incorporate that.

I'm sorry, super off-topic I know, but there is something about your avatar I find terribly creepy. Like nightmare creepy.

[Finiffa]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

As with all Origins companions, I loved Oghren. He was not in my top 5 but he was a lovable bastard anyway.

However, here's what killed me in Awakening.
1. The Joining. Yes, I laughed at Oghren's reaction despite the fact that it slightly ruined the atmosphere. But even without Oghren, there's barely any grim atmosphere anyway. In Origins, my skin crawled during the Joining. It still does now, even though I saw the scene many times before. Awakening. Not so much. Scratch that. Not at all.
2. This pissed me off a lot. Bioware told us that the "old favorite" has a large role in the expansion. Now I ask, what is that role? Oghren has no effect on ANYTHING storywise. Hell, you can send him away minutes after you meet him. And before anyone starts, Oghren had sufficient screentime in Origns.
Returning LIs would make a lot more sense than Oghren. Even without romance dialogue thay would be much more welcome.

You have said it all. I really wish<spoiler removed, sorry>. I would REALLY have preferred my dog over Oghren anytime.  Wouldve saved them the dialogue they wrote for Oghren which is lost on me anyways...

Modifié par Finiffa, 05 avril 2010 - 02:02 .

[Wishpig]

Holy crap u guys thats a huge goddamned spoiler... please delete it so you don't ruin it for anyone else like me.

[Mortis_Angelus]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

As with all Origins companions, I loved Oghren. He was not in my top 5 but he was a lovable bastard anyway.

However, here's what killed me in Awakening.
1. The Joining. Yes, I laughed at Oghren's reaction despite the fact that it slightly ruined the atmosphere. But even without Oghren, there's barely any grim atmosphere anyway. In Origins, my skin crawled during the Joining. It still does now, even though I saw the scene many times before. Awakening. Not so much. Scratch that. Not at all.
2. This pissed me off a lot. Bioware told us that the "old favorite" has a large role in the expansion. Now I ask, what is that role? Oghren has no effect on ANYTHING storywise. Hell, you can send him away minutes after you meet him. And before anyone starts, Oghren had sufficient screentime in Origns.
Returning LIs would make a lot more sense than Oghren. Even without romance dialogue thay would be much more welcome.

Took the words out of my sodding mouth. The Joining was just... err... I can't describe it. The only other thing I might add though, is the approval...

There was once a saying "Morrigan always dissaproves". Now, I think we should replace it with Oghren. We were best buddies in Origins, and he even got my Warden Drunk. Now, he won't even talk to me, aside from saying "Need something pummeled? Just say the word." What's worse was the fact that, while he reset his approval, he didn't reset his bleedin Diminishing returns... So every Gift I gave him got me a 6 rather than a 10.

So, while everyone of of my new companions absolutely adored me, the one I supposedly knew best only had "Moderate constitution", even though we killed a frickin Archdemon together...

Ok, Rant over...

[oceloteyes]

I don't like Oghren or his sense of humour in either game.

[darkshadow136]

I hated Oghren in DAO, and I hated him in Awakenings as well. He's drunk all the time, repetitive to much in what he says when he talks, and his personality is dull and boring. It's kind of like Jerry Lewis and his Slapstick humor in movies, it is funny at first but gets boring real fast.

[CybAnt1]

I don't think it's unfair to say that all the bad things about Oghren got worse in the expansion, and what looked like redeeming virtues (like loyalty and dedication to friends) disappeared.



You know, it's kind of sad that he is not divorced from Felsi - just separated (of course I have no idea if there is divorce in Thedas; I assume there is) - and yet the guy is still trying to nail Sigrun, Velanna (btw I think he's probably never been with an elf or human female, but like I said he flirts with *anything* female), and IIRC he even did a quick flirt with Mhairi.



When she showed up, I was almost tempted to point this out. The guy may be loyal to his friends, but obviously not to his wife. However, btw, he appears to be a real chickensh*t ultimately and Sigrun exposes the fact that he's totally unprepared for somebody actually taking him up on his offer. So maybe he justifies this to himself because he knows no one will take him up on it.

[Dokarqt]

He was funny and likeable in origins but lost all his elusive redeemable features in awakening.

Went from one of my fav chars in origins to my least favourite character of all in awakening. How can you screw up a character as badly as they did with Oghren in awakening is beyond me.