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[Collider]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Collider wrote...

Depends how you see it. They are more male voices talking about the games than there are female. Without factoring in that there are more male players than female though, who knows.

Yes, but who is the loudest?  Perhaps more male voices, but......

:innocent:

That's what I meant when I said "Without factoring in that there are more male players than female though, who knows." It's possible for that for those women who do play non-casual games like Mass Effect, they are more vocal on average than the males who do. Of course there is no  way to measure it.

[enormousmoonboots]

Liso66 wrote...
Realitstically. Well.. from a human point of view. A turian? A frog man? that is dieing no less! I love both of these companions, don't get me wrong on that. As a romance option. A far less stretch from a Quarian even.  then all the major jokes from the Mordin. This gave me the impression these were set primarly for the humor.

Mordin implies that Miranda has spy cameras in her vagina.

Also, while I know the forums are not totally representative of the fandom at large, ME's player base is something like 30-40% female.

And the romance arcs are pretty equal.
Miranda = Jacob (kind of shallow romance, largely attraction-based, final scene is all physical fanservice)
Tali = Garrus (cute romance that grows out of friendship, interspecies difficulties)
Jack = Thane (tragic romance with a dying person who's done bad things, final scene is crying)

I never understand people saying "I can't romance ______, they're not hot." I've always been taught that being shallow is bad.



The vast majority of players are satisfied with the female romance options.

[Liso66]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Ah so female OP, being a female, feels she can speak for all women everywhere.

She doesn't like the LIs so no female does. DAMM YOU BIOWARE!!

Now see here, epoch most likely shares the view of the majority of girl gamers that play ME2.  The few that agree with the OP are the loudest on the boards. :innocent:

wow.. huh? Seriously now? It was just my opinion "not law"  I am not even sure how or where that came from.. epoch, please make sense out of that?

[JamieCOTC]

Garrus was the only female romance option I liked and even then it was like coming on to your brother.

[janeym27]

Collider wrote...

janeym27 wrote...
Variety is the spice of life.

Indeed, which is why we should have characters with different sexual orientations instead of bisexuality accross the board.

Good point. However, atm, Liara aside, we don't even have bisexuality. FemShep flirts with EVERYONE! And yet, she can only romance males (or asexual aliens). Bioware's explananation for why there were no 'gay' realtionships on offer in ME2 was that this was untrue to Shepard's character, when (let's be honest) you could argue that falling in love with someone regardless of species is even more open minded than falling in love with someone reagrdless of gender, and FemShep at least had already had Liara, who looks/acts 'female'. I would have accepted it more if the had said that it would be inconsistant with the NPCs/squaddies available, but whatever. (I can think of a few characters who I regard as bisexual as they have been portrayed, anyway).

In any case, that line was an attempt at levity which failed. lol

[Maralllel]

I'm curious on why you think the female romance options are a joke, Liso66.  Can you explain more?

Mordin makes funny comments about consummating each romance, regardless of who it is.  For Miranda/Jacob, he makes comments about bugs being placed in odd places.  For Tali, he makes the comments about oral contact being dangerous.  For Garrus, do not ingest.  For Thane, hallucinogenic properties. Jack can kill you.  And Mordin also politely rejects Shepard if Shepard doesn't have a romance going.

As a female, I personally liked Thane's and Garrus's romances. 
The relationship between Thane and Shepard gives Thane a new reason to live, and Thane makes comments about doing stuff with you after the suicide mission (going to a desert, if I remember right).  Garrus talks about how he wants so badly for the relationship with Shepard to go right.  Even Jacob is looking forward to shore leave after the suicide mission.

Everyone's mileage varies on romances, though.  Romances are one of those things that are colored by personal views.  It didn't exactly bother me that Thane and Garrus were aliens; to me, they were well-written, interesting characters.  I can see how other people get turned off the romances due to the fact they view Garrus as more of a platonic friend, or view Thane as obsessed with with his dead wife. Or, they view both of them as aliens and unattractive. (Although if it's the physical looks that are a problem, Jacob's built pretty well.  )

Is it that you feel that less work was done for the female romances?  Or can you provide more examples of the female romances being a joke? I'm just honestly curious and want to understand your perception of the female romances.

Late edit:
@janeym27 Kelly sits in female Shepard's lap, and dances for her too. There's a good amount of flirting between female Shepard and Kelly, too. While one might not view the relationship between Kelly and Shepard as a 'romance', it doesn't have to be a platonic relationship between friends, either.

Modifié par Maralllel, 05 avril 2010 - 01:37 .

[Collider]

janeym27 wrote...
Good point. However, atm, Liara aside, we don't even have bisexuality.

Kelly, Morinth, Samara, Shiala...seems pretty bisexual to me.

FemShep flirts with EVERYONE! And yet, she can only romance males

Kelly. Even though that's only two, at least they get something, unlike gay guys.

(or asexual aliens)

Asari are not asexual. They are female, just not women. If you need a reason why they are female, they have female parts.

you could argue that falling in love with someone regardless of species is even more open minded than falling in love with someone reagrdless of gender,

First of all being bisexual does not mean you are more open minded. No one chooses their sexual orientation. Homosexuals have faced discrimination throughout history for the most stupid reasons, no person aware of how much persecution homosexuals get would choose to be homosexual instead of heterosexual if orientation was a choice. I am not less open minded for not finding the male form attractive.

I fail to see how falling in love with another species has to do more with open mindedness than homosexuality, in the Mass Effect universe. Take the Asari for example, they are basically human females with tentacles on their heads, blue, and with no visible ears. All of the romanceable alien species are very humanoid looking, they have the general shape of men or women in humans. A silhouette of a female body can be sexual for a man, even.

[SarEnyaDor]

I concur that the female romance options suck big elcor reproduction enablers, but I also don't think the male options are that much better, unless you like tired porn tropes -> big breasted woman-in-charge can't help falling for you, and slaming and grinding against you in the most public place on the ship despite being the only two people with beds and private rooms, or the bad-girl tamed/broken and fixed through your almighty sex appeal, and let's not forget the never-before-touched in any fashion girl for those who really want to go where no man has gone before....



But at least they were satisfying on *some* level, unlike poor femShep's priiiiize or scale-rash and abrasions. :s Unless you were into Maliens and analphalyctic shock or booty-calls the romances were a pretty big flop IMHO.



I admit, sex with aliens is a big turn-off to me, and the lone human they gave me was an even bigger turn-off. *sigh*



I like Garrus, as a friend, and I don't begrudge those who wanted to tango with a tyrannosaurus their chance to do so, I just wish there had been something -anything - better than what we were offered.

[kglaser]

Youtube, baby

I just looked up the culmination of the Jacob love scene on there...and man, it was cringeworthy to me...ugh, SO not going down that road

[GuardianAngel470]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Liso66 wrote...
Bioware. You have more female players than I think you realize. We are typically less vocal in the community.. Well. aside from players like me.

I have to strongly disagree with this.:innocent:

Seconded.  Well since ZennExile fell off the face of the Earth anyway.

Yeah, where did he go, anyways? I always assumed he was a he, he didn't come across like a she.

[GuardianAngel470]

kglaser wrote...

Youtube, baby
I just looked up the culmination of the Jacob love scene on there...and man, it was cringeworthy to me...ugh, SO not going down that road

I didn't even give it the pleasure.  I heard about the prize line and I have to say, I lost a lot of respect for a character that seemed respectable as a manshep.

And honestly, what does he think he is if he isn't worthy of miranda?  How can the devs even make him a romance option for shepard, the savior of the galaxy?

[Liso66]

@ Maralllel

I swore to myself I was done with this for the night. "laughs"

Anyway. I tried to be as clear as I could through out the last few pages. I have nothing really left to offer unless I start pulling apart every little bit and losing my own perspective. I feel that is best left alone.

As for Thane. I did indulge the romance with him. I found his persona to be really good. I just felt it was very anticlimactic. I stopped seeing him as the frog man, and just saw him for his personality. Which I basically do in real life as well. Something was just amiss for me. My male Shepard is having a romance with Tali, and it seems much more well thought out over all. Not tried Miranda or Jack, Miranda being the obvious push, I have left her out. This appears to be the case with many, i noticed.

I doubt any of that helped. I am getting tired and have a rambunctious 5 yo to get in bed..

Modifié par Liso66, 05 avril 2010 - 01:47 .

[enormousmoonboots]

yfhfrg wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Mordin implies that Miranda has spy cameras in her vagina.

Wha..? Now I kind of want to see that scene.

"Watch for bugs! Can be planted anywhere."
Though apparently Jacob gets a similar line? I don't know, there are like zero Jacob romance vids on YouTube.

[Onyx Jaguar]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Liso66 wrote...
Bioware. You have more female players than I think you realize. We are typically less vocal in the community.. Well. aside from players like me.

I have to strongly disagree with this.:innocent:

Seconded.  Well since ZennExile fell off the face of the Earth anyway.

Yeah, where did he go, anyways? I always assumed he was a he, he didn't come across like a she.

I am fairly positive that it was a man. Rumor as it stands says he got perma'd

[Collider]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Collider wrote...
I fail to see how falling in love with another species has to do more with open mindedness than homosexuality, in the Mass Effect universe. Take the Asari for example, they are basically human females with tentacles on their heads, blue, and with no visible ears. All of the romanceable alien species are very humanoid looking, they have the general shape of men or women in humans. A silhouette of a female body can be sexual for a man, even.

I would make the generalization that one has to be failry opened minded to fall in love with another species.  Some aliens perhaps more than others.

That depends on whether you think falling in love is voluntary. These aren't real aliens we are talking about here. They are humanoid aliens created by humans, one race of which specifically for females. If we were talking about real aliens who have four feet or claws, walked like crabs, and had no aspects of appearance remotely similar to humans, then I would probably agree with you.

[Sago_mulch]

YOU DO NOT LIKE JACOB?

I KNOW WHATS GOING ON HERE!

ITS NOT BECAUSE HE REFERS TO YOU AS THE 'PRIIIIIIZE'

ITS NOT BECAUSE HE ATE THE SHIPS ENTIRE SUPPLY OF FRIED CHICKEN AND WATERMELON.

ITS BECAUSE HE IS BLACK - YOU WHITE PEOPLE ARE ALL RACIST.

[Sago_mulch]

Sago_mulch wrote...

YOU DO NOT LIKE JACOB?

I KNOW WHATS GOING ON HERE!

ITS NOT BECAUSE HE REFERS TO YOU AS THE 'PRIIIIIIZE'

ITS NOT BECAUSE HE ATE THE SHIPS ENTIRE SUPPLY OF FRIED CHICKEN AND WATERMELON.

ITS BECAUSE HE IS BLACK - YOU WHITE PEOPLE ARE ALL RACIST.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I don't want to

[kglaser]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I am fairly positive that it was a man. Rumor as it stands says he got perma'd

Wow...why?

[janeym27]

Collider wrote...

janeym27 wrote...
Good point. However, atm, Liara aside, we don't even have bisexuality.

Kelly, Morinth, Samara, Shiala...seems pretty bisexual to me.

FemShep flirts with EVERYONE! And yet, she can only romance males

Kelly. Even though that's only two, at least they get something, unlike gay guys.

(or asexual aliens)

Asari are not asexual. They are female, just not women. If you need a reason why they are female, they have female parts.

you could argue that falling in love with someone regardless of species is even more open minded than falling in love with someone reagrdless of gender,

First of all being bisexual does not mean you are more open minded. No one chooses their sexual orientation. Homosexuals have faced discrimination throughout history for the most stupid reasons, no person aware of how much persecution homosexuals get would choose to be homosexual instead of heterosexual if orientation was a choice. I am not less open minded for not finding the male form attractive.

I fail to see how falling in love with another species has to do more with open mindedness than homosexuality, in the Mass Effect universe. Take the Asari for example, they are basically human females with tentacles on their heads, blue, and with no visible ears. All of the romanceable alien species are very humanoid looking, they have the general shape of men or women in humans. A silhouette of a female body can be sexual for a man, even.

I'm bisexual, and I agree, it's not a 'choice', but I think that gender lines are  more complex than biology. To me, you fall in love with a person. I am terrible at choosing the wrong vocab and miswording on posts (espcially this late at night. lol), I simply meant that when it comes to attraction, you either percive it along biological lines, or personal lines. To me, the idea of sleeping with someone with totally alien biology is the same as sleeping with someone with different biological gender from our perferred sexual perference. What defines us as male or female is biological, but what defines us as man or woman is cultural, social and personal. These cultural and social definitions in a totally alien culture would be, one imagines, very different to human deifinitions. The Asari, for example, have no need to sepereate gender, as they can be mother or father. But sexual and gender politics is super-complex, and deeply personal. I wasn't meaning to cause offense, or reduce ******/hetrosexualit to a matter of 'open mindedness'. That was an example of the aforementioned poor vocab choice, for which I apologise. Believe me: I have had my share of personal discrimination for my sexual preferences, so I'd hate for anyone to think that I was being judgemental. I just think that Bioware needs to open up the option of bisexuality to it's players. Or lesbianism. Or being gay.

By 'we don't have bisexuality', I simply meant that Bioware's stance on the whole thing seems to be that 'Shepard' the character is NOT bisexual. They've pretty much said that. I think that the actions of FemShep are counter-indicative of this (Kelly/Liara), and yet Sheploo is not afforded the same option. 


Late edit: @ Maralllel. I do reagrd the Kell option as a bisxual romance, but Bioware have said that the do not regard Shepard as bisexual. When ou have that discrepency between MaleShep and FemShep's options, it seems a little suss to me.

Modifié par janeym27, 05 avril 2010 - 01:56 .

[Liso66]

"sighs" @ Sago_mulch .. It is people like you, that make the world so much fun... <insert sarcasm here>



I reported the post.. yeah yeah.. A total tattle tell... sorry. that was offensive and ridiculous.