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[Onyx Jaguar]

kglaser wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I am fairly positive that it was a man. Rumor as it stands says he got perma'd

Wow...why?

Rumor says that it was because he constantly brung up a certain someones "loyalty" mission.  He curiously hasn't posted since this thread http://social.biowar...index/1642746/1 was closed.  Also his profile contains some additional evidence if you look in the right place.

[enormousmoonboots]

Cool hotlinking, bro.

[Collider]

@janey - No need to apologize, I probably overdid it anyways. I agree that there is a difference between biological sex and gender. I do still think that in Mass Effect's universe, it is not especially open minded to fall for an alien, or most unless one had a prejudice to begin with.

[Sago_mulch]

Liso66 wrote...

"sighs" @ Sago_mulch .. It is people like you, that make the world so much fun...

I reported the post.. yeah yeah.. A total tattle tell... sorry. that was offensive and ridiculous.

RACIST

[Onyx Jaguar]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Cool hotlinking, bro.

Not like it could be bumped.  Also I prefer to be thorough, even if it ends up being a detriment to myself.

[GuardianAngel470]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Liso66 wrote...
Realitstically. Well.. from a human point of view. A turian? A frog man? that is dieing no less! I love both of these companions, don't get me wrong on that. As a romance option. A far less stretch from a Quarian even.  then all the major jokes from the Mordin. This gave me the impression these were set primarly for the humor.

Mordin implies that Miranda has spy cameras in her vagina.

Also, while I know the forums are not totally representative of the fandom at large, ME's player base is something like 30-40% female.

And the romance arcs are pretty equal.
Miranda = Jacob (kind of shallow romance, largely attraction-based, final scene is all physical fanservice)
Tali = Garrus (cute romance that grows out of friendship, interspecies difficulties)
Jack = Thane (tragic romance with a dying person who's done bad things, final scene is crying)

I never understand people saying "I can't romance ______, they're not hot." I've always been taught that being shallow is bad.



The vast majority of players are satisfied with the female romance options.

This is how I felt about the Miranda romance.  I did it the first playthrough and was kinda disgusted by it.  I had started it by the time I found out that Tali was romancable and out of a drive to complete what i started I finished it.  When I saw that she had kicked out Tali from her home (seriously, engine room Miranda? We both have beds) I was disturbed.  Add to that her romance and Jacobs are the only two where sex is implicitly implied.  Miranda and jacob both TAKE OFF THEIR SHIRTS leaving them half naked, about as close as any of the romances get to sex without showing it.

For Tali, Garrus, Jack, and Thane romancers sex is never expressly implied.  Garrus gets a head bump, tali takes off her mask, Jack cuddles with you in her everyday outfit, and I hear Thane makes out with you.  Tali was the closest with her pounce, but then again taking off her whole suit could easily kill her no matter what precautions she takes.  Garrus doesn't even kiss you (which would be admittedly hard) and Jack's whole Paragon romance is about forgoing sex in favor of love.

I fail to see how Garrus is any different than Tali, both have a sibling vibe for many people, both have been with you from the start, and both are akward.  There are so many parallels that I just can't understand how the OP thinks.

Please explain how you thought it was a joke, Tali's romance was so similar.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 05 avril 2010 - 02:00 .

[Liso66]

Sago_mulch wrote...

Liso66 wrote...

"sighs" @ Sago_mulch .. It is people like you, that make the world so much fun...

I reported the post.. yeah yeah.. A total tattle tell... sorry. that was offensive and ridiculous.

RACIST

I am not racist unless you count not liking stupid people that do stupid things. then yes.. color me racist on that.... 


And yet..  I now my point is? pointless. going to go game some more.    bye all!!

[Collider]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
I suppose you have a point in the context of the ME universe.  Falling in love may not be voluntery, but one has to usually initiate some kind of connection IMO.

A lot of chemistry is not even voluntary. They say that the human mind within less than a minute makes assumptions the sexual and romantic viability of someone new that they see. That is not to say that friends without any obvious sexual attraction to one another at the beginning of their friendship cannot develop romantic feelings, however, I've experienced this myself. But it can be very subtle.

One has to be fairly opened minded IMO to initiate that connection with the Alien. 

Really, I could only see it as being open minded if you had a prejudice to begin with. You saying that it's open minded is kind of like saying it's open minded to be in a relationship with someone of a different skin "color" or country. First you would have to establish that that sort of relationship is particularly out of the ordinary or something of that sort in the first place, IMO.

[Sago_mulch]

Liso66 wrote...

Sago_mulch wrote...

Liso66 wrote...

"sighs" @ Sago_mulch .. It is people like you, that make the world so much fun...

I reported the post.. yeah yeah.. A total tattle tell... sorry. that was offensive and ridiculous.

RACIST

I am not racist unless you count not liking stupid people that do stupid things. then yes.. color me racist on that.... 


And yet..  I now my point is? pointless. going to go game some more.    bye all!!

PLAY THE GAME YOU RACIST

YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL RACIST

[GuardianAngel470]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

@Liso66
It is better just to ignore it instead of responding. That is what he wants.

Seconded.

[Liso66]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

@Liso66
It is better just to ignore it instead of responding. That is what he wants.

True, and sadly, I do know better.

Getting little one to bed, and off to save some more universe.

"waves"

[Sago_mulch]

Liso66 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

@Liso66
It is better just to ignore it instead of responding. That is what he wants.

True, and sadly, I do know better.

Getting little one to bed, and off to save some more universe.

"waves"

DREAM ON, RACIST

[GuardianAngel470]

Collider wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
I suppose you have a point in the context of the ME universe.  Falling in love may not be voluntery, but one has to usually initiate some kind of connection IMO.

A lot of chemistry is not even voluntary. They say that the human mind within less than a minute makes assumptions the sexual and romantic viability of someone new that they see. That is not to say that friends without any obvious sexual attraction to one another at the beginning of their friendship cannot develop romantic feelings, however, I've experienced this myself. But it can be very subtle.

One has to be fairly opened minded IMO to initiate that connection with the Alien. 

Really, I could only see it as being open minded if you had a prejudice to begin with. You saying that it's open minded is kind of like saying it's open minded to be in a relationship with someone of a different skin "color" or country. First you would have to establish that that sort of relationship is particularly out of the ordinary or something of that sort in the first place, IMO.

To be fair to Johnny, there is a big difference between different color and totally different genetic make up.  Also, humans are new to the Galaxy making human-alien romances out of the ordinary.  It is openminded to see past the genetic differences at the person and their character. Closed minded would be to see them as different and thus refusing to see their merits as an individual.

I disagree that there needs to be prejudice in order for there to be openmindedness.  All there needs to be is a social norm.  Social norms are a dime a dozen, they are everywhere.  That doesn't mean that everyone who follows a social norm is prejudiced.

The above argument is only valid if you were refering to the connotational use of the word prejudice.  If you were refering to the literal definition, to have an opinion, then the above agrument doesn't apply.

[Collider]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
It sounds like your confusing sexual viability with love though.

I don't think I am, considering this conversation. You said that love may not be voluntary. I am just emphasizing that aspect of involuntary chemistry. At most, I think, the issue of whether something is open minded or not is more to do with the individual rather than something broad and sweeping. 

People do have prejudices though.  Either of their own choice or lesser part to upbringing.

We don't have to assume that there are any prejudices in regards to aliens present in everyone.

[janeym27]

Collider wrote...

@janey - No need to apologize, I probably overdid it anyways. I agree that there is a difference between biological sex and gender. I do still think that in Mass Effect's universe, it is not especially open minded to fall for an alien, or most unless one had a prejudice to begin with.

Yeah, as I said, 'opne-minded' isn't the right term. I simply meant that with such biological adversity, I see the Thane/Garrus romances as 'falling in love with a person despite them being outside our ordinary sexual perference'. For my Shep. Like (and I'm being super careful not to word this wrong, but probably will anyway) you cannot choose what does/does not turn you on. For some people, this means they like girls/guys. For some people, they like uniforms. Some will swoon at a voice. Others like Turiens. The 'alien' forms in the game, while masculin/feminine, are clearly not the same 'human' forms normally associated with that attraction (all us Garrus LI fans suffer the taunts of 'mandible lovers'lol. And WE DON'T CARE! ). Either you play your Shep as being attracted to that race, or to that character. You are making a choice for YOUR SHEPARD (for some, it will follow their own prefernece, for others. it will not. But Bioware are denying some players to align their Shep with their own preference. OK, I'm not saying that all should be Bi, but I am saying that there should be some bi NPCs available. Preferably more than the odd Asari or human female. There should also be some gay NPCs available. If FemShep can be Bi, and Sheploo cannot, then we are falling into that old trap of 'it's not gay if it's 2 women doing it!!!' which seems to prevail in many people's minds. And that's just sad. And sexist. lol)

I think we all get too hung up on male/female/racial/phsical/etc when it comes to attraction. It doesn't matter who you are, or what your preference is: you are attracted to who/what you are attracted to, and there is really nothing you can do about that. Embrace the lovin' people! 

(Edit: The views expressed in this post are mine and mine alone. I do not pretend to speak for all Garrus LI lovers. lol)

Modifié par janeym27, 05 avril 2010 - 02:14 .

[Mallissin]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Liso66 wrote...
Realitstically. Well.. from a human point of view. A turian? A frog man? that is dieing no less! I love both of these companions, don't get me wrong on that. As a romance option. A far less stretch from a Quarian even.  then all the major jokes from the Mordin. This gave me the impression these were set primarly for the humor.

Mordin implies that Miranda has spy cameras in her vagina.

Also, while I know the forums are not totally representative of the fandom at large, ME's player base is something like 30-40% female.

And the romance arcs are pretty equal.
Miranda = Jacob (kind of shallow romance, largely attraction-based, final scene is all physical fanservice)
Tali = Garrus (cute romance that grows out of friendship, interspecies difficulties)
Jack = Thane (tragic romance with a dying person who's done bad things, final scene is crying)

I never understand people saying "I can't romance ______, they're not hot." I've always been taught that being shallow is bad.



The vast majority of players are satisfied with the female romance options.

SCIENCE PREVAILS!

[Mallissin]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

yfhfrg wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Mordin implies that Miranda has spy cameras in her vagina.

Wha..? Now I kind of want to see that scene.

"Watch for bugs! Can be planted anywhere."
Though apparently Jacob gets a similar line? I don't know, there are like zero Jacob romance vids on YouTube.

It might have been a reference to Austin Power's Gold Finger scene with the fat guy. Please don't make me Youtube search for a clip. Please!

[Mallissin]

Sago_mulch wrote...

Liso66 wrote...

Sago_mulch wrote...

Liso66 wrote...

"sighs" @ Sago_mulch .. It is people like you, that make the world so much fun...

I reported the post.. yeah yeah.. A total tattle tell... sorry. that was offensive and ridiculous.

RACIST

I am not racist unless you count not liking stupid people that do stupid things. then yes.. color me racist on that.... 


And yet..  I now my point is? pointless. going to go game some more.    bye all!!

PLAY THE GAME YOU RACIST

YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL RACIST

HI ZENN!

[Collider]

It is openminded to see past the genetic differences at the person and their character. Closed minded would be to see them as different and thus refusing to see their merits as an individual.

The thing is that I don't think there even needs to be an issue to overcome to begin with. As for genetic differences, really, this is a video game and these aliens are not real aliens. They are plenty similar to eachother, and with the exceptions of the Quarians, the obstacles for inter-species relationships are very avoidable and more to do with society rather than biology. That's as far as we know, anyway.

I disagree that there needs to be prejudice in order for there to be openmindedness.  All there needs to be is a social norm.  Social norms are a dime a dozen, they are everywhere.  That doesn't mean that everyone who follows a social norm is prejudiced.

It can very well be a social norm in a societ that people typically marry and have children within their own race. We've seen this already. Someone who did not have a prejudice or bias against aliens to begin with, I would argue, is not being any more open minded. It's true that color is not that big of a deal, I agree, but in some societies and throughout history unfortunately many people have made those differences out to be like differences between aliens. It's sad but it's the truth. We've plenty of examples of racism where groups of people were considered subhuman and sometimes not even human at all.

This is all subjective though, even though I enjoy having this discussion. Apologies to Johnny if you think I'm being hostile, because I'm not trying to be

Modifié par Collider, 05 avril 2010 - 02:16 .

[Sago_mulch]

Mallissin wrote...

Sago_mulch wrote...

Liso66 wrote...

Sago_mulch wrote...

Liso66 wrote...

"sighs" @ Sago_mulch .. It is people like you, that make the world so much fun...

I reported the post.. yeah yeah.. A total tattle tell... sorry. that was offensive and ridiculous.

RACIST

I am not racist unless you count not liking stupid people that do stupid things. then yes.. color me racist on that.... 


And yet..  I now my point is? pointless. going to go game some more.    bye all!!

PLAY THE GAME YOU RACIST

YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL RACIST

HI ZENN!

HELLO

[Onyx Jaguar]

O_O



If true is interesting coincidence.