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[*Di]

I think the problem with the ME2 romances, male and female, is not so much who was available to romance, it's that instead of two well-written, well-developed romances as in ME 1, we had six poorly-written, poorly-developed romances in ME 2.



Yes, Thane is utterly creepy. I'm not going there, much as I like the guy. Garrus is my buddy, maybe even my best friend right now. That has an... incestuous feel to it. Nope. Uh-uh.



So that leaves Jacob. Cute enough. Alrighty then. However, FemShep has to flirt him up right away for the romance option to become available. And how does she do it? By leaning back, sticking out her pelvis, and changing her voice to sound like a $20 hooker. I mean, good lord! She was acting like a total ... tart (although the "s" word is more appropriate). There was no respect garnered between them, no subtle, growing attraction... just "oooh, nice body, Jake. Me want."



I really loved the Kaidan romance. It was incredibly well-crafted, regardless of whether Kaidan as a character was appealing to individual players or not. He was sure as hell appealing to me.



I won't be pursuing any of the romances in ME 2 replays, because they aren't worth pursuing. Give me one solid, well-crafted romance, not 6 rushed, tacky, mediocre ones.



That said, the clips of the Garrus romance finale were indeed sweet, rather than creepy or just plain jerk-mode. Priiiize, indeed. Meh.

[Sago_mulch]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
[Edit:  With that said though, this is ME.  So both of are arguments kinda go out the window.

Oh, crap. Zenn...Onyx... they're talking about Mass Effect, not real life. Gosh, I feel really awkward now...

*blushes*

Wait, but I thought Mass Effect was life?  Wait... no... NO

runescapeguy9 wrote...

Sago_mulch wrote...
but u make it out to be as if tali is ur friend(a real one) or that tali is u.
i thought tali was a video game char

I consider Tali to be the greatest character ever made. As such, there is definitely a relationship with emotion there.
She is my "friend", and I defend them.

TALI FANS CANNOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE THOUGH

[Masticetobbacco]

Sago_mulch wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Ah, so apparently I'm a zoopihile? lol

Thane isn't fish. His illness is due to his species being unable to live on a humid world. Kinda the opposite of fish ;p

I would consider interspecies relationships in the ME Universe equivalent to inter-ethnic relationships in real life.

FIGHT RACISM

nig.ga please

Modifié par Masticetobbacco, 05 avril 2010 - 02:36 .

[Liso66]

Shavon wrote...



Ok, for example, when filling out paperwork asking for your race/ethnicity, check off I prefer not to answer.
Or realize that there are not three, four, five etc races on earth, but one.  The human race.

I'm totally off-topic here.

I am 6 different nationalities. So they need a box for "mutt?" I hear mutts make better pets anyway. less inbreading. 

I said I was leaving for the night. I am such a liar... my contribution to OT...

[janeym27]

TeachingFellow wrote...



But yes, I agree with you about the romances. Why are aliens dating each other again? I guess it's one thing when the aliens are of the Star-Trek variety--humans with extra bits--but it seems like most species would view such relationships as akin to bestiality (ignoring questions about physiology). This alone would have kept me away from inter-species romance, but throw in the fact that, female or not, I'd rather play a gay character, and my options wound up being VERY limited. I wound up romancing Kelly, which wasn't too bad, but it reeked of sexual harassment, objectification, and simple shallowness. I can call my secretary up to my quarters and have her give me a lapdance? Really, Bioware? In 2010?

Here's hoping for more--or better developed--options the next time through.

Yeah - I did think of the beastiality thing on a playthrough, but I think the key difference is that in what we would traditionally regard as 'beastiality', there is no personality or self-aware identity to become attracted to (at least, not in what we commonly know about animals. lol). It is purely a physical thing. Garrus remarks that he doesn't 'have a fetish for humans', but falls for Shepard, and I think that this is the key distinction.

But, even though Shep is a character we can project our own intentions on to, rather than one we create from scratch, a player still has the option of playing a Shep with, for example, a 'Turien fetish' (in their own interpratation of Shep), where as they don't have the option of a gay or bisexual romance. It's an odd balance (or at least, seems that way to me).

[Onyx Jaguar]

Liso66 wrote...

Shavon wrote...



Ok, for example, when filling out paperwork asking for your race/ethnicity, check off I prefer not to answer.
Or realize that there are not three, four, five etc races on earth, but one.  The human race.

I'm totally off-topic here.

I am 6 different nationalities. So they need a box for "mutt?" I hear mutts make better pets anyway. less inbreading. 

I said I was leaving for the night. I am such a liar... my contribution to OT...

You know that comment almost sounded kinda

[Sago_mulch]

Liso66 wrote...

Shavon wrote...



Ok, for example, when filling out paperwork asking for your race/ethnicity, check off I prefer not to answer.
Or realize that there are not three, four, five etc races on earth, but one.  The human race.

I'm totally off-topic here.

I am 6 different nationalities. So they need a box for "mutt?" I hear mutts make better pets anyway. less inbreading. 

I said I was leaving for the night. I am such a liar... my contribution to OT...

RACIST

[Collider]

Inter-species relationships with aliens has NOTHING to do with bestiality. Bestiality and pedophilia is wrong because someone or something of quite lesser mental capacity and understanding is being taken advantage of. There is nothing of that sort with Thane or Garrus, at all. They're both smart people. We do have a bisexual romance, janey, despite PR. No gay romances though, yes.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Sago_mulch HIGH FIVE!

[janeym27]

Collider wrote...

Inter-species relationships with aliens has NOTHING to do with bestiality. Bestiality and pedophilia is wrong because someone or something of quite lesser mental capacity and understanding is being taken advantage of. There is nothing of that sort with Thane or Garrus, at all. They're both smart people. We do have a bisexual romance, janey, despite PR. No gay romances though, yes.

Agreed.

(although the Kelly 'romance' is not really a proper LI experience, IMO. And there is no male bisexual option, which is just sexist. And Bioware mantain character continutity, even though the fact that maleshep is straight and femshep is bi is just wrong! lol )

Modifié par janeym27, 05 avril 2010 - 02:42 .

[Mallissin]

You guys realize we're gonna have a whole new wave of these threads if they come out with a Romance DLC, right?



We're gonna have so much fun!

[Sago_mulch]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Sago_mulch HIGH FIVE!

HIGH FIVE

[janeym27]

Mallissin wrote...

You guys realize we're gonna have a whole new wave of these threads if they come out with a Romance DLC, right?

We're gonna have so much fun!

lol. Lookin' forward to it!

[Collider]

janeym27 wrote...
And there is no male bisexual option, which is just sexist.

That's not sexist. Sexism against males in general is pretty funny...not inherently more funny than against females, it's funny because throughout history most sexism appears to be have directed towards females. It's not being sexist.

[Sago_mulch]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Inter-species relationships with aliens has NOTHING to do with bestiality. Bestiality and pedophilia is wrong because someone or something of quite lesser mental capacity and understanding is being taken advantage of. There is nothing of that sort with Thane or Garrus, at all. They're both smart people. We do have a bisexual romance, janey, despite PR. No gay romances though, yes.

Agreed.

(although the Kelly 'romance' is not really a proper LI experience, IMO. And there is no male bisexual option, which is just sexist. And Bioware mantain character continutity, even though the fact that maleshep is straight and femshep is bi is just wrong! lol )

That is a reflection of society as a whole IMO.

MASS EFFECT 2 IS A SATIRE NOW TOO. DERP

[sagefic]

agreed.



i may get some flaming for saying this, but look to NWN2 or twilight or just about any romance novel, movie, etc. written for women <ducks the inevitable kick to the head> and you'll see what is popular:



2 hot guys that LIKE YOU.



why is tali so popular? she loves shep and always has. THAT is attractive: interested is interesting.



the unbelievable luke-warm response that you get from the guys in ME2 just makes me say guh.... "i don't have some fetish for humans or anything" wow. thanks. again, this is fantasy - and the fantasy is that someone will like you - better yet, more than one person will like you and you get to pick the best of the lot. not throw yourself att them like the PRIIIIIZE.



it's not that the guys aren't cool squadmates, all the characters are well written. just they come off as very boring romance wise if they just don't seem interested in shep without her throwing herself at them like tramps.



okay, go ahead and hate me if you like, but that's my criticism of the writing there.

[T3hMerc]

http://www.fanfictio...If_You_Need_Me

THAT is how you write a goddamned romance plot.

Modifié par T3hMerc, 05 avril 2010 - 02:50 .

[janeym27]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Inter-species relationships with aliens has NOTHING to do with bestiality. Bestiality and pedophilia is wrong because someone or something of quite lesser mental capacity and understanding is being taken advantage of. There is nothing of that sort with Thane or Garrus, at all. They're both smart people. We do have a bisexual romance, janey, despite PR. No gay romances though, yes.

Agreed.

(although the Kelly 'romance' is not really a proper LI experience, IMO. And there is no male bisexual option, which is just sexist. And Bioware mantain character continutity, even though the fact that maleshep is straight and femshep is bi is just wrong! lol )

That is a reflection of society as a whole IMO.

Totally. And this is sort of my issue. But whatever. lol. It doesn't really bother me enough to get worked up about (despite appearences). It's what happens, so you kind of expect it.

Ah, social sexual political norms. You are quite the can of worms, aren't you?

[Liso66]

sagequeen wrote...

agreed.

i may get some flaming for saying this, but look to NWN2 or twilight or just about any romance novel, movie, etc. written for women and you'll see what is popular:

2 hot guys that LIKE YOU.

why is tali so popular? she loves shep and always has. THAT is attractive: interested is interesting.

the unbelievable luke-warm response that you get from the guys in ME2 just makes me say guh.... "i don't have some fetish for humans or anything" wow. thanks. again, this is fantasy - and the fantasy is that someone will like you - better yet, more than one person will like you and you get to pick the best of the lot. not throw yourself att them like the PRIIIIIZE.

it's not that the guys aren't cool squadmates, all the characters are well written. just they come off as very boring romance wise if they just don't seem interested in shep without her throwing herself at them like tramps.

okay, go ahead and hate me if you like, but that's my criticism of the writing there.

He's just not that into you....   "laughs" the theme of ME2 romance!

[Collider]

Shavon wrote...
ME2 lacked great backstories and character depth . . .

I sincerely disagree. I like the romances in ME2 due to the fact that you had a stake in the character that you were romancing. There is an element of trust which is really important in a relationship, and it makes the romances feel more emotional to me. It's not just "I like you, you like me," there is more emotional than that. Shepard could have easily told the love interest that there is no time to help them out and then the romance does not even happen.  All of what I've said however, unfortunately may not apply to Jacob's romance, I'll give you that.

As for Dragon Age, you can easily just spam gifts and suddenly they love you.

ME1 romances win hands-down, imo.

ME1 romances were better paced but I like the emotional appeal of ME2's romances.

Modifié par Collider, 05 avril 2010 - 02:50 .