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JohnnyDollar wrote...
I would say you could make the argument that it is sexist.  Since when does being sexist mean that it can only be directed at females?

I never said that sexism has to be directed towards females. But do you even believe for a second that Bioware is sexist towards males? REALLY? I think you instead you should be using terms about sexual orientation, not biological sex, even though I would disagree that Bioware is being homphobic.

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Of course I don't. I just find it funny of the idea that Bioware is sexist against males. I'd disagree with homophobic too, but that may be the term you're looking for.



If you're saying that society tends to tolerate lesbians more than gays, I would agree and do think it's ridiculous.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Shavon wrote...



Tali . . . . I'll stay mum so as not to offend. I'm just disappointed with what they have done to her.
 

Go on

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uh...so why is Jacob a gang member, gmartin?

[Sago_mulch]

Liso66 wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

agreed.

i may get some flaming for saying this, but look to NWN2 or twilight or just about any romance novel, movie, etc. written for women and you'll see what is popular:

2 hot guys that LIKE YOU.

why is tali so popular? she loves shep and always has. THAT is attractive: interested is interesting.

the unbelievable luke-warm response that you get from the guys in ME2 just makes me say guh.... "i don't have some fetish for humans or anything" wow. thanks. again, this is fantasy - and the fantasy is that someone will like you - better yet, more than one person will like you and you get to pick the best of the lot. not throw yourself att them like the PRIIIIIZE.

it's not that the guys aren't cool squadmates, all the characters are well written. just they come off as very boring romance wise if they just don't seem interested in shep without her throwing herself at them like tramps.

okay, go ahead and hate me if you like, but that's my criticism of the writing there.

He's just not that into you....   "laughs" the theme of ME2 romance!

STOP STALKING ME, RACIST

[enormousmoonboots]

TeachingFellow wrote...

But yes, I agree with you about the romances. Why are aliens dating each other again? I guess it's one thing when the aliens are of the Star-Trek variety--humans with extra bits--but it seems like most species would view such relationships as akin to bestiality (ignoring questions about physiology). This alone would have kept me away from inter-species romance, but throw in the fact that, female or not, I'd rather play a gay character, and my options wound up being VERY limited. I wound up romancing Kelly, which wasn't too bad, but it reeked of sexual harassment, objectification, and simple shallowness. I can call my secretary up to my quarters and have her give me a lapdance? Really, Bioware? In 2010?

Actually, I'd argue against this, just because of the sheer number of asari/_____ relationships you see in the background of the game. Sure, it's most likely Bioware being lazy and not making female models for any species aside from human and quarian (the latter which is extremely rare) and they're being great big DERPs about gay relationships (since there are only male turian and salarian models and, being aliens, you expect them to have very different sexual mores, it would make sense to see a turian/turian or salarian/salarian NPC couple in the background...but nope, apparently everyone in the far-flung future has the sexual behavior of 20th century conservative America--thanks for that, Bioware, really), but if they come out and say that all interspecies relationships are looked down upon, it just won't make sense.

I'd buy some couples facing prejudice--turian/humans, thanks to their recent war, but I can't see widespead anti-interspecies attitudes. Shepard might, period, since people like to use him/her for political ploys (the Terra Firma group, the Alliance using dead Shep for recruiting, etc).

[*Di]

Shavon wrote...

Di wrote...

Yes, Thane is utterly creepy. I'm not going there, much as I like the guy. Garrus is my buddy, maybe even my best friend right now. That has an... incestuous feel to it. Nope. Uh-uh.

Aw:crying::crying:  I love Thane D:

I did too, as a companion.  I felt great empathy for him.  But not as a bedmate!

I really loved the Kaidan romance. It was incredibly well-crafted, regardless of whether Kaidan as a character was appealing to individual players or not. He was sure as hell appealing to me.

I won't be pursuing any of the romances in ME 2 replays, because they aren't worth pursuing. Give me one solid, well-crafted romance, not 6 rushed, tacky, mediocre ones.

That said, the clips of the Garrus romance finale were indeed sweet, rather than creepy or just plain jerk-mode. Priiiize, indeed. Meh.

Lol, I pretty much agree with the rest of your post.  I think parts of the romances for ME2 were well-written, but lack of content made it seem too easy to get people into bed.  Ok, that sounded creepy, but if you have ever played Dragon Age, I swear, romancing Leliana or Silk Fox from JE was the hardest to do!  You had to play your cards right, and pay attention to lots of things.  

ME2 lacked great backstories and character depth . . .  I'll excuse a few from this, but anyway.

ME1 romances win hands-down, imo.

I did play Dragon Age, and did romance Leliana once... along with Zevran and that backstabbing racist Alistair (not in the same playthrough, mind you!)  I liked the way they developed slowly, garnering first mutual trust and respect, then genuine attraction which eventually blossomed into something more.  That's how the romance between FemShep and Kaidan built slowly over time, two people who grew to trust, respect, and eventually love each other.

And FemShep did not, after knowing Kaidan for two days, chat him up like a strip-pole sex kitten hoping for a fat tip in her g-string!

[sagefic]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

agreed.

i may get some flaming for saying this, but look to NWN2 or twilight or just about any romance novel, movie, etc. written for women and you'll see what is popular:

2 hot guys that LIKE YOU.

why is tali so popular? she loves shep and always has. THAT is attractive: interested is interesting.

the unbelievable luke-warm response that you get from the guys in ME2 just makes me say guh.... "i don't have some fetish for humans or anything" wow. thanks. again, this is fantasy - and the fantasy is that someone will like you - better yet, more than one person will like you and you get to pick the best of the lot. not throw yourself att them like the PRIIIIIZE.

it's not that the guys aren't cool squadmates, all the characters are well written. just they come off as very boring romance wise if they just don't seem interested in shep without her throwing herself at them like tramps.

okay, go ahead and hate me if you like, but that's my criticism of the writing there.

Femshep behaving towards Jacob is a little trampish IMO, but I don't see the rest of your argument.  I sense jealousy in your post.

buahhahahaha!

really? you...

hahahaha!

that's funny.

yes. i am jealous of bella who has an icecube and a puppy in love with her.

or...not.

i really can't defend myself against a charge of jealousy without talking about my personal life, which is not something i'm going to do. 

not sure if you're a guy or a girl, if you read romance ever, whatever.  the point is this: interested in interesting. people want to be wanted, women and men. that's what makes for good romance plots - the characters actually connect and want each other. me2 really didn't read that way for femshep.

there, i actually bothered to restate my point. but...you'll probably just ignore it and throw another ad hominem attack at me....geh...why do i bother? (because the movie is boring...)

[sagefic]

Liso66 wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

agreed.

i may get some flaming for saying this, but look to NWN2 or twilight or just about any romance novel, movie, etc. written for women and you'll see what is popular:

2 hot guys that LIKE YOU.

why is tali so popular? she loves shep and always has. THAT is attractive: interested is interesting.

the unbelievable luke-warm response that you get from the guys in ME2 just makes me say guh.... "i don't have some fetish for humans or anything" wow. thanks. again, this is fantasy - and the fantasy is that someone will like you - better yet, more than one person will like you and you get to pick the best of the lot. not throw yourself att them like the PRIIIIIZE.

it's not that the guys aren't cool squadmates, all the characters are well written. just they come off as very boring romance wise if they just don't seem interested in shep without her throwing herself at them like tramps.

okay, go ahead and hate me if you like, but that's my criticism of the writing there.

He's just not that into you....   "laughs" the theme of ME2 romance!

exactly.

see - we gets it!

[Sago_mulch]

gmartin40 wrote...

Collider wrote...

uh...so why is Jacob a gang member, gmartin?

Ask Bioware....

RACIST

[kglaser]

gmartin40 wrote...

Thane=Fish
Garrus-Bird
Legion=Hardware
Jacob=Gang member
Joker-Crippled

Looks like all the romance option for the women have a problem.

If Garrus is a bird, explain dem needle-sharp teeth, please.

And I don't see them as a problem.

[Onyx Jaguar]

sagequeen wrote...

Liso66 wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

agreed.

i may get some flaming for saying this, but look to NWN2 or twilight or just about any romance novel, movie, etc. written for women and you'll see what is popular:

2 hot guys that LIKE YOU.

why is tali so popular? she loves shep and always has. THAT is attractive: interested is interesting.

the unbelievable luke-warm response that you get from the guys in ME2 just makes me say guh.... "i don't have some fetish for humans or anything" wow. thanks. again, this is fantasy - and the fantasy is that someone will like you - better yet, more than one person will like you and you get to pick the best of the lot. not throw yourself att them like the PRIIIIIZE.

it's not that the guys aren't cool squadmates, all the characters are well written. just they come off as very boring romance wise if they just don't seem interested in shep without her throwing herself at them like tramps.

okay, go ahead and hate me if you like, but that's my criticism of the writing there.

He's just not that into you....   "laughs" the theme of ME2 romance!

exactly.

see - we gets it!

Is this like the part where Frankenstein unveils his hand grenade?

[T3hMerc]

www.fanfiction.net/s/5744974/1/If_You_Need_Me
Hey, this is a proper take on the Garrus relationship. Take note.

[Sago_mulch]

gmartin40 wrote...

Sago_mulch wrote...

gmartin40 wrote...

Collider wrote...

uh...so why is Jacob a gang member, gmartin?

Ask Bioware....

RACIST

No I'm not racist because I never said why I thought Jacob was a gang member. You think I said it because he is black, but I never said that. So YOU are the racist for thinking it.

WHY ASSUME JACOB IS A GANG MEMBER THEN? THE ONLY CONCLUSION - BECAUSE HE IS BLACK

[T3hMerc]

... Flamewar. Damnit, this was a good thread.