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Bioware Vs. Valve (The Escapist: Final Round)


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So I searched to make sure I wasn't making a repeat topic and while there were other Escapist threads, they were older ones about past polls/rounds and I felt the final round deserved its own thread.  If I overlooked one, my apologies in advance.  In any case, what we have is:

BIOWARE VS. VALVE

A great match in my opinion (and so very happy that it's not Zynga!).  On the one hand, we have Valve, bringing us great FPSs and multiplayers like Half-Life, TF2, CS:S, L4D, and Portal.  On the other, we have Bioware, which has brought us great RPGs and single players like SW: KoToR, Baldur's Gate, NWN1, DA:O and of course, Mass Effect.

Personally, I am on the side of Bioware, a developer that has not only created excellent games, but has done more for the image of video games and perhaps gaming as a whole than any other developer I can think of.   And it sometimes amazes me how much Bioware cares about its fans and gamers, from reading and incorporating user suggestions from threads on Bioware's forums to including a diverse set of strong characters whether female or male, gay or straight, good or evil (or in between).

When I played the HF games, I was thoroughly impressed and put in a good number of hours, but at the same time I didn't expect anything new--they were still your shoot, kill (albeit great) FPSs. But Bioware seems to be changing and evolving in a way that I, let alone many others, expected. They are revolutionizing cinematic game play. They are utilizing voiced protagonists in an RPG--the only game of its kind to do so (Mass Effect). They have created characters so real and lovable, it verges on scary (*coughTali*).  But I must admit, I also feel that Bioware has done the most for the minority of gamers as well, namely female and GLBT gamers, which is a risk in itself on Bioware's behalf.  There are but a handful of games with a female protagonist, let alone a GLBT one (if you so choose).  And a rare few of those (with a strong female character) who are not hyper-sexualized in some manner  (Bloodrayne, Lara Croft, etc).   While Portal does this, it's not even close to the respect and character that screams Commander Shepard.

We want great writing for our video games.  While there are some shining examples of this, they are rare and often overlooked (Psychonauts, Beyond Good and Evil, etc).  As a whole, video games need better writing. They need better stories and voice actors and the same respect as other forms of entertainment. They're not just for kids or 'losers' or 'violent' people. And Bioware seems the way to go in this regard.  And I feel it is also important to take into account personal preferences; Bioware is GREAT for single player and Valve is GREAT for multiplayer.

Both developers are epic in their own rights, but I really hope Bioware wins.  (And really, this is in a Bioware forum, so I suppose it's as much to bring attention to Bioware as it is to discuss it.)

I'm not one to normally take sides, but in this case...really...vote for Bioware.  And use that extra vote via Twitter; apparently less than 2% of voters in the last round(s) used this particular advantage.  Imagine if all of those Valve voters had simply done that in the first place (hint:  we would not have been all 'oh noes ZYNGA!!11one').  So yes...mmm...vote for Bioware.

Do it for Tali.

Modifié par Blackveldt, 05 avril 2010 - 04:31 .


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Livemmo

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TLDR

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Seriously? Valve?

I'm trying to be objective here but I don't think Valve deserves to have made it this far. They're past their prime. What have they done of note recently? Left for Dead was a fun party game but not ground breaking in any way. And LFD2 is little more than an expansion pack for its predecessor.

The Half Life engine was very influential in its day but it premiered in 1998. Likewise the Orange Box was simply a packaged expansion for HL2, which came out six years ago.

While Valve has laid mostly dormant for the last few years Bioware has made ME, ME2, DA:O, Neverwinter Nights 2, KoTOR, and Jade Empire. Valve made... a generic zombie shooter and a couple of obscure expansions.

Bioware isn't perfect, but Valve does NOT deserve to win.

Modifié par thedoncarnage, 05 avril 2010 - 04:59 .


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I love Bioware's games, I really do. But they have to come second, and a fairly distant second at that, to Valve. And I say that as someone who prefers RPGs to shooters. Comparing any developer to Valve is like comparing a writer to Shakespeare.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up. I didn't know about this poll. I'll be off to give Valve my vote (Sorry Ray and Gregg).

Modifié par bobito64, 05 avril 2010 - 05:07 .


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Oh god I don't know what to do. On one hand, I was just playing Mass Effect earlier today. On the other, I was also playing TF2 earlier today. I think I'll vote for Bioware though, because I'm pretty sure Valve is going to win anyway.

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I'm with Bioware on this one, not because Valve is lesser in my eyes but Bioware is more current. They have new games out right now that I love as opposed to Valve who has not released a new game in ages it seems. They may plan to but as of right now my attentions are with Bioware for their much more recent releases. Good post Blackveldt :)



Keep up the good work!

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Qwepir

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Also, we're kind of comparing forks and spoons here, what with Valve being an FPS developer and Bioware being an RPG dev.

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thedoncarnage wrote...

Seriously? Valve?

I'm trying to be objective here but I don't think Valve deserves to have made it this far. They're past their prime. What have they done of note recently? Left for Dead was a fun party game but not ground breaking in any way. And LFD2 is little more than an expansion pack for its predecessor.

The Half Life engine was very influential in its day but it premiered in 1998. Likewise the Orange Box was simply a packaged expansion for HL2, which came out six years ago.

While Valve has laid mostly dormant for the last few years Bioware has made ME, ME2, DA:O, Neverwinter Nights 2, KoTOR, and Jade Empire. Valve made... a generic zombie shooter and a couple of obscure expansions.

Bioware isn't perfect, but Valve does NOT deserve to win.


I don't think people look at what they've done in present time but overall in their history altogether. And for you to say Valve does not deserve to win is a little too much. I love both companies.

Valve: Half Life, Counter Strike, Left 4 Dead, Day of Defeat, Portal etc... All those games are some of the best and some stand alone as being some of the best games to date.

Yes, BioWare is a GREAT company, and I haven't played ALL of their games except Mass Effect 1 & 2, Dragon Age, but those are some of my all time favorite games. I'm not making this my main excuse, but the DLC BioWare has been bringing out for Mass Effect franchise and Dragon Age have not impressed me much, which brings my hopes down on any success soon, but still, my all time favorite games regardless of the DLC.

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I have to go for Bioware, since they've released games recently. It might change next year if Valve releases HL2 Episode 3 and Portal 2, though.

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polyorpheus wrote...
if Valve releases HL2 Episode 3

That's a big goddamn if.

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The Zynga vs Valve thread on the Escapist site ran into 600 pages of fanboism of the epic sort. I hear Valve was losing the vote early on due to all the Facebook votes for Zynga (cough Farmville) but somehow pulled through on the last day. I liked Valve alot in the past, but haven't played their latest offerings of late. So I am definitely with Bioware.

COME ON MEN! WAR BIOWARE!

Modifié par Killer3000ad, 05 avril 2010 - 05:22 .


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Qwepir wrote...

polyorpheus wrote...
if Valve releases HL2 Episode 3

That's a big goddamn if.


Well, Portal 2 is confirmed for this holiday, but I guess they could always push the release date back.

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There are rumors that Portal 2 is the last game that is going to be released on the source engine. This also contributes to the speculation that Episode 3 will unveil a new engine made by Valve.

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polyorpheus wrote...

Qwepir wrote...

polyorpheus wrote...
if Valve releases HL2 Episode 3

That's a big goddamn if.


Well, Portal 2 is confirmed for this holiday, but I guess they could always push the release date back.

This holiday Valve Time. Who knows when it will actually be released.

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Both Bioware and Valve are winners. I'd have to go with Bioware though since they've defined my taste in gaming with the original Mass Effect. Bioware takes interactive story in games to another level with each game they release. And of course the combat is fun in all the Bioware games. The worlds are rich, cities are sprawling and fun to explore and soak in. But what I appreciate most from Bioware is the characters they create. Bioware just turns out quality in quantity. +1 vote

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I love Bioware. A lot. But Valve was my first love, and I'm sticking with them.

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So hard to vote. And don't diss L4D2!



But really, I'll probably go with Bioware for this one.

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Valve. No doubt. I love BioWare, but compared to Valve? No. Valve has literally had a perfect track record, is possibly one of the most connected with the community, is ridiculously generous and overall truly the only one deserving of the title of best developer of all time. Of course, I'm on a BioWare forum so I can expect most people here to vote for them.
And to those of you who poo on Valve, I say poo on you. That's right, I went there. Companies past their prime don't pump out masterpieces like Portal. And L4D2 was as much as an expansion to L4D1 as Mass Effect 2 was to Mass Effect 1.

Modifié par Cascadus, 05 avril 2010 - 05:55 .


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Cascadus wrote...

And to those of you who poo on Valve, I say poo on you.


Lmao

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casedawgz wrote...

I love Bioware. A lot. But Valve was my first love, and I'm sticking with them.

This indeed

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valve. even though they put Episode 3 on hold for TWO ****ING ZOMBIE GAMES, gordon freeman is still the man.

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DomerPyle wrote...

valve. even though they put Episode 3 on hold for TWO ****ING ZOMBIE GAMES, gordon freeman is still the man.


In Valve's defense, they were pretty much the two best zombie games of all time.

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oh so this is where the kids hangout.

I'm voting bioware :P but i think valve has more supporters and will win. I'm just glad Zynga is out! LOL

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Sorry Bioware, but Valve it is.
I have yet to play a game of theirs I didn't absolutely adore.
They also perfected the first-person genre, which is an achievement unmatched by any contemporary developer.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 05 avril 2010 - 10:29 .


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