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[Feraele]

Maviarab wrote...

Thats because evil will always triumph over good....
Because good is dumb

*sigh* so true...

[jnickd]

Amidamaru wrote...

I just want to know how Square Enix lost to Zynga.

Uh, yeah, I'd like to know that too...

[Zenpher]

BioWare has my vote. After all, Mass Effect is my favourite game of all time...

[The Danielnator]

I would vote, but then we Canadians aren't part of the community aparently...

[Rubbish Hero]

LOST GAM3R wrote...

I can't believe this thread was even started... by Chris! You guys must be desperate..

As mentioned Valve done the exact same thing on steam.
Pretty sure the Farmvill thingy done it too. It's all fair on the interents.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 08 avril 2010 - 08:30 .

[fastball13]

BIOWARE OWNS CLICK ME THANKS

[Rubbish Hero]

Time Well Spent wrote...

What the hell have Valve done recently, ooooh Left 4 Dead 2, Half Life 2 Episode 3...Oohoh I forgot, that ain't out until space year 3112 AD. Mass Effect 2 is GAME OF THE GENERATION, Dragon Age is also awesome an plus just got a cheap copy of KOTOR and that's still great. BIOWARE! BIOWARE!

I don't think so.
Both Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2 had some pretty obvious game flaws critics (for some reason possibly hype) completely over-looked, this is much less apparent in Valve games and usually sorted within days of release.

e.g. Any battle in Dragon Age, regardless of how difficult, can be won by buying unlimited amounts of cheap health potions and lyrium. Or better yet, the Arcane Warrior! Any Dragon boss from the original game can be exploited by simply standing in a certain area as it is designed with an isometric mentality but using a third person perspective, walls and raised ground are a better allie than any armour.


In the case of Mass Effect 2 pretty much any battle can be resolved by sitting back, as the AI is not aggressive enough or comes at the player at a moderate pace, waiting to be picked off. Using Biotic skills, half the time if they are behind a wall themselves, it doesn't matter, as they will still be lifted into the air. Mass Effect 2's combat is basically "shoot fish in a barrel". Very flawed.

Because Valve own steam and don't really give a crap about consoles (because Pc's are obviously better) , they can update there games on the fly to fix any flaws (and do) including expansions worth of free updates to games like Team Fortress 2.

In the case of Dragon Age, there was a loading problem that would gradually eat away at the game until it the loading would take 15 minutes and upwards, waiting about a month, it got patched. The patch Didn't even address the problem, it wasn't until months after that a patch began to even have a Q and A at which point I bought a quad core, fixing the problem immediately.. There was loads of other problems with EA's network thing, items and Armour going missing, very annoying.

In Mass Effect there is little difference between the console and pc version, It wasn't until Nvidia allowed me to over-write the settings that I could use AA, there is also no proper 3D support, in Valve games (there newest ones since they came out) they take advantage of these technology's.

Overall, as I'm sure you agree, everyone in the history of man ever, should vote for Valve.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 08 avril 2010 - 09:00 .

[Skilled Seeker]

Go away troll. These are the Bioware forums.

[Cosmicinator]

Rubbish Hero wrote...
Overall, as I'm sure you agree, everyone in the history of man ever, should vote for Valve.

What you seem to be looking at is the combat and technical elements of the game, which are not perfect, true.

What about the story and characters? Every BioWare game has a beautiful universe with so many characters, places, and choices; you can't just omit the beauty of a BioWare game just because you find the combat lacking.

Modifié par Cosmicinator, 08 avril 2010 - 10:22 .

[Rubbish Hero]

Cosmicinator wrote...
What about the story and characters? Every BioWare game has a beautiful universe with so many characters, places, and choices; you can't just omit the beauty of a BioWare game just because you find the combat lacking.

And so does Valve.
Come to think of it, the injection of personality and into there FPS multiplayer games is something of a first and something other developers and future dev's will attempt to emulate, badly. Either that or more souless Call Of Poopy ( harhar) games.

Valve, the Silver age.

http://www.kotaku.co...the-new-marvel/

For the record, I think Bioware are top tier for there genre.
However, there games do have more prominenet design flaws and Valve's support (at least on the pc end of the spectrum) has been top notch and Valve has more competition in the FPS genre. As for the personality thing single player wise, Mass Effect characters do not emote very well and Dragon Age has some pretty stiff animations.. You watch Alyx Vance interact with the Vartigaunt in Episode 2, or even react to trivial things like a flashlight being put in her face, it's just, AMAZING!.

Go Valve, woh! 

Edit: Extra Woh!

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 08 avril 2010 - 11:24 .

[Konnie]

With the revolutionary impact of the Steam platform, their revolution of the FPS genre first with Half-Life, then with Counter Strike and Team Fortress Valve have done more for gaming than Bioware could ever hope. Even the recent Left 4 Dead brought a completely new system into video games, which may very well end up the standard at some point.



Yes their RPGs are great and solid, but they're also all the same. Bioware has a working model which they apply to all creations, Valve introduces new concepts. This is why I respect the company more as a game Developer.

[rage9345]

Rubbish Hero wrote...
Overall, as I'm sure you agree, everyone in the history of man ever, should vote for Valve.

Yes, because how everyone feels toward these two companies is objective, definately not subjective.... what a crazy world that would be, where opinions are subjective!

[mr flibbles]

Oh man... seriously tough decision. I have some split loyalties here D:

Edit: Went with Bioware though, since they're losing :<

Modifié par mr flibbles, 08 avril 2010 - 02:48 .

[Antiskub]

rage9345 wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...
Overall, as I'm sure you agree, everyone in the history of man ever, should vote for Valve.

Yes, because how everyone feels toward these two companies is objective, definately not subjective.... what a crazy world that would be, where opinions are subjective!

I think we've clearly established that those who don't vote for Valve are not human and thus, their votes shouldn't count because only humans can vote.

This poll is elaborately designed to find out how many non-humans we have among us.

[Cosmicinator]

Rubbish Hero wrote...
...Mass Effect characters do not emote very well and Dragon Age has some pretty stiff animations.. You watch Alyx Vance interact with the Vartigaunt in Episode 2, or even react to trivial things like a flashlight being put in her face, it's just, AMAZING!.

Again, you are only looking at the technical things, what about the actual story and characters?

Just because they don't have super-duper animations doesn't mean they can't be loved, look at Leliana, I always hate people people like that in the real world (Don't get me started on religion), however, I felt myself becoming drawn to her over the game, and began to feel for her, in a way that only good stroytelling and writing can do.

KotOR remains my most cherished game of all time, yet the quality in terms of sound, graphics and animations to a modern game is horrible; but every time I play it (Like now) I am so immersed in the universe it is unbelievable.

The reason Valve games are so good on animations, graphics, sound quality, and unique characters is because the games are tiny compared to a BioWare game; there are far less lines to record, areas to design, characters to animate, scenarios to write, etc...

Yes Valve games are fun and charming, and hell I love them, but a BioWare game is bigger, far more immersive, and will have you going back again and again. 

[TheOriginalGoochman]

Throw your votes in for BIOWARE peoples only down by a few hundred LETS WIN THIS SHIZ YO

[Rubbish Hero]

Cosmicinator wrote... Again, you are only looking at the technical things, 

The technical things are what add character.
Scripted sequences, triggered events, character design, character sounds. Valve even take into account the siluet of characters when designing there games, how many other developers can you list that do that?

Making a comparison between story is silly as the majority of Biowares games have more leeway in that regard by having the advantage of being RPG. It's arguably more difficult for Valve as you can't just sit still and ask 1000 questions or sit through cut-scene after cut-scene as there method of story-telling is scripted in-game which does make it arguably more immersing.

Do you remember City 17? I do. I was like "Woaw this is so much better than Mass Effect, male Sherpard totally looks like a boring generic gap model with the personality of a cardboard box".(If Mass Effect was out of that time). Does Mass Effect have City 17? No, it has a space shopping mall with confusing directions.

Being objective, and fans of both, it's pretty clear who's the daddy, and this poll, factually proves, universally, it's Valve. Even Bioware are probably voting for Valve because deep down, they know they are there betterers. I think many Bioware fans aren't being objective about it, rather just voting for Bioware because they dislike the genre's or have a problem with excellent DRM that 25 million people love.

Either way, Valve has won, once again and will continue to do so, in the future, forever.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 08 avril 2010 - 04:05 .

[jnickd]

Uh, just wanted to say we're about 200 votes behind =D

[Ryukahn]

I do not use facebook and junk like that, so I am unable to vote (it is also why I have so few tokens and no chance to win these auctions!). If I could vote though, I would vote for Valve, even though I have enjoyed BioWare games more than Valve games.



For people wondering why, I just think Valve does a tremendous job with supporting their games via fixes, DLC, etc that makes them second to none. The DAO DLC especially highlights the differences. If the contest was vote for your favorite games then I would vote BioWare over Valve.

[TheOriginalGoochman]

hopefully people twitter'd their votes and uploaded their twitter accounts to their escapistmagazine.com profile

[Cosmicinator]

Ignore this post.

Modifié par Cosmicinator, 08 avril 2010 - 04:51 .

[delete_guest]

Got a vote in for Bioware. Not sure if I made it in time though. Does not seem like it.

[Cosmicinator]

I disagree with what you are saying, but I do understand why you like Valve more then BioWare, however:

Rubbish Hero wrote...
The technical things are what add character.
Scripted sequences, triggered events, character design, character sounds. Valve even take into account the silhouette of characters when designing there games, how many other developers can you list that do that?

People want different things from games, and for me, I don't give a hoot about these things you list. There are ways other than how you put to draw people into a game than that, and Valve can easily focus on these minute details, since they specialise in linear games.

Rubbish Hero wrote...
Making a comparison between story is silly as the majority of Biowares games have more leeway in that regard by having the advantage of being RPG.

You are making excuses for your own view, an RPG doesn't have to have dialogue or choices, look at the pile of ****e which is Final Fantasy. 

Rubbish Hero wrote...
It's arguably more difficult for Valve as you can't just sit still and ask 1000 questions or sit through cut-scene after cut-scene as their method of story-telling is scripted in-game which does make it arguably more immersing.

The way you like to have a story told is down to personal preference, and to argue about personal preference is like claiming white people are superior to black people.  

Rubbish Hero wrote...
Do you remember City 17? I do. I was like "Woaw this is so much better than Mass Effect, male Sherpard totally looks like a boring generic gap model with the personality of a cardboard box".(If Mass Effect was out of that time). Does Mass Effect have City 17? No, it has a space shopping mall with confusing directions. 

Personal preference again, I liked both intros, but I can't debate which is better- it would just be racist.

Rubbish Hero wrote...
I think many Bioware fans aren't being objective about it, rather just voting for Bioware because they dislike the genre's or have a problem with excellent DRM that 25 million people love.

Objective like you are being?

Actually, I think many people just vote for BioWare because they like the things BioWare make; vast, immersive, colourful universes that suck you in again and again.

Oh, and I love Steam!

Modifié par Cosmicinator, 08 avril 2010 - 04:52 .

[Cosmicinator]

Oh, and THE POLL IS CLOSED.



Currently Valve is leading by a 198 vote margin, however, that may change once all of the Twitter otes have been counted...

[MerinTB]

OH SO CLOSE.

I think Valve may have won it, but at least we got so very close.

Still crossing my fingers.