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[Ray Joel Oh]

screwoffreg wrote...

I think all of this "anger" would be mitigated if the relationships in ME were deeper to begin with. No one complained seriously that Morrigan wasn't a lesbian interest or Alistair wasn't a gay interest. Why? Because no matter the sexual orientation of your character, you could become very good friends with them and have satisfying conversations with them (Morrigan basically becoming your sister and Alistair a best bud). You don't have that at all in ME 2.

If you aren't shacking up...you just aren't.

I think a lot of it comes from the fact that they set a precedent with Liara in the first game and they seem to have backed away from it in the second.

[screwoffreg]

justinnstuff wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Collider wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
What if these relationships had been nearly finished?  I can't see them scrapping two full romances they spent a significant time working on in the preceding year.  They (the EA bigwigs) might have taken the attitude, 'Well, it's already in there so will just leave it now, but this is the LAST GAME for homosexual romance content *smacks BW's hand*'.

This is what I worry about.

Uh...2 years is not short enough for EA just to give a wrist slap. There is not a severe difference between being male or female in the romance. And content is cut out of games all the time. Huge portions of it, even. That's just how games work. Even if a ton of effort was put into it. EA slapping the wrist and saying no more does not even make sense in context to ME2. There is, again, lesbian content that is easily avoided.

Like I said earlier, I don't see EA getting that wild about it.  The SIms, a "kiddy game" had open gay relationships.  You could move in with each other, get married, have kids, walk around town holding hands, etc.  Talk about blatant yet the game sold like hotcakes.  

I never touched a sims game. I didn't know it worked that way. I guess BioWare has other reasons for no homosexuality in their games right now and it isn't EA. I still think they should add them, I wouldn't pursue them but if other gamers want it, I say why not.

The hilarious thing in the Sims was that EVERYONE was bisexual.  If you were nice and flirty enough, you could get married housewives to leave and become your girlfriend.  I didn't hear any real complaints about homewrecking there from Fox...

[Nightwriter]

It's like the Sims lives in this little impenetrable bubble that the media just pass over.

[Karstedt]

Politically liberal, or technically liberal? You should specify when waving the liberal wand. And politically liberal could vary a lot from country to country as well for all I know.

I'm with OJ: do want more child killing!

[screwoffreg]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

I think all of this "anger" would be mitigated if the relationships in ME were deeper to begin with. No one complained seriously that Morrigan wasn't a lesbian interest or Alistair wasn't a gay interest. Why? Because no matter the sexual orientation of your character, you could become very good friends with them and have satisfying conversations with them (Morrigan basically becoming your sister and Alistair a best bud). You don't have that at all in ME 2.

If you aren't shacking up...you just aren't.

I think a lot of it comes from the fact that they set a precedent with Liara in the first game and they seem to have backed away from it in the second.

To me its two things.  Good character interaction is my primary concern and unfortunately in the ME world, romances seem to be the only method of truly getting an attachment to a character, more so in ME 2.  Even the romances seem at times flat and rushed compared to other Bioware games.

The other part I will agree with you.  The awkward backing away is offputting  

[Collider]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

I think all of this "anger" would be mitigated if the relationships in ME were deeper to begin with. No one complained seriously that Morrigan wasn't a lesbian interest or Alistair wasn't a gay interest. Why? Because no matter the sexual orientation of your character, you could become very good friends with them and have satisfying conversations with them (Morrigan basically becoming your sister and Alistair a best bud). You don't have that at all in ME 2.

If you aren't shacking up...you just aren't.

I think a lot of it comes from the fact that they set a precedent with Liara in the first game and they seem to have backed away from it in the second.

It's an assumption that there was backing away in the first place.

[screwoffreg]

Nightwriter wrote...

It's like the Sims lives in this little impenetrable bubble that the media just pass over.

Its called the bubble of the game sells a billion copies so who cares if guys kiss.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Karstedt wrote...

Politically liberal, or technically liberal? You should specify when waving the liberal wand. And politically liberal could vary a lot from country to country as well for all I know.
I'm with OJ: do want more child killing!

[Onyx Jaguar]

screwoffreg wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

It's like the Sims lives in this little impenetrable bubble that the media just pass over.

Its called the bubble of the game sells a billion copies so who cares if guys kiss.

The Sims games rock thats why.  If for some reason they changed that aspect.  Holy ****storm

[Karstedt]

Nightwriter wrote...

It's like the Sims lives in this little impenetrable bubble that the media just pass over.

That bubble is called $$$$$land. The media is afraid of anything with that kind of $$$$$ behind it.

[screwoffreg]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

It's like the Sims lives in this little impenetrable bubble that the media just pass over.

Its called the bubble of the game sells a billion copies so who cares if guys kiss.

The Sims games rock thats why.  If for some reason they changed that aspect.  Holy ****storm

EA is like the shadow broker, amoral and only worried about profits.  If girls/guys kissing each other sells games, then hell I guarantee they would put it in every applicable game.  

In ME I think either Bioware or EA was slightly more hesitant as the audience is more an FPS crowd as well, who maybe they assume are cavemen and "no like" weird stuff.  I don't really know, honestly.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 06 avril 2010 - 03:57 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

Collider wrote...

It's an assumption that there was backing away in the first place.

Yeah, but an understandable one.  We'll have to wait and see if they give the relationship a respectful conclusion in the third game.

[GuardianAngel470]

The Angry One wrote...

By the way most of both responses are complete non-answers, tangenting off into insistance that there's still a great amount choice, which has little to do with the actual question.
The only solid answer is that they want to "define" these characters, but no real reason is given for why these characters absolutely must be heterosexual.

The impression I got was that Shepard had to be heterosexual because that is how they define him in this series.  At the start they just decided that Shepard was hetero, end of story.  It was just a design oversight, and that is the way they wanted to tell the story.

[Collider]

The Liara romance will continue and obviously given that, femshep will have just as much content with Liara as male shepard will. The only question is whether there will be more than Liara in terms of lesbian content.

[screwoffreg]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Collider wrote...

It's an assumption that there was backing away in the first place.

Yeah, but an understandable one.  We'll have to wait and see if they give the relationship a respectful conclusion in the third game.

Considering they are framing it as the most important LI relationship I hope so.  It also seems canon at this point to have romanced Liara, and she loves you even if you DID not, very obviously.  

I have a feeling they are going to take her down the Dark Lord of the Sith path though, maybe make her responsive to your renegade/paragon ways.  If you are good, she becomes sweety mcsweet...if you are a jackass, maybe she follows you down the same dark path.  Sort of like KOTOR.

[Nightwriter]

Probably has something to do with sexual content in the Sims, too. I haven't played a Sims game in forever. Do they show actual sex scenes?



Seems like last I played you could get busy under the covers or something but it didn't really show much of anything.

[screwoffreg]

Collider wrote...

The Liara romance will continue and obviously given that, femshep will have just as much content with Liara as male shepard will. The only question is whether there will be more than Liara in terms of lesbian content.

I think a developer interview said that with ME 1 and 2 they proved themselves, so they are letting it go ALL OUT for ME 3.  I imagine that may mean giving the artists/writers more room to do what they want to do.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Nightwriter wrote...

Probably has something to do with sexual content in the Sims, too. I haven't played a Sims game in forever. Do they show actual sex scenes?

Seems like last I played you could get busy under the covers or something but it didn't really show much of anything.

They bleep it out, have under the cover action.

[screwoffreg]

Nightwriter wrote...

Probably has something to do with sexual content in the Sims, too. I haven't played a Sims game in forever. Do they show actual sex scenes?

Seems like last I played you could get busy under the covers or something but it didn't really show much of anything.

Well there was pretty loud making out on the bed and standing up.  The ME 1 sex scenes were basically just that, kissing.  The Sims sex scenes were just a funny little animation of a bed moving around.

[Ray Joel Oh]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...
The gaming community is composed of many different vocal minorities.  Female gamers, racial minorities, gamers with poor eyesight or who are hard of hearing, foreign markets--being considerate of different demographics is what makes better games.  The gay demographic is a significant one.  Although Bioware holds no obligation to provide consessions to anyone, it would not only make their games more entertaining to more people, it would be profitable.

How do know it would be more profitable?  How do know it will not turn away other demographics?

Because looking at the sales of other popular games with gay options in them has shown that the number of people willing to refuse to play a good game from a beloved franchise is negligable.  Plus if you have a significant-to-the-point-of-willing-to-boycott moral objection to non-traditional relationships, you would already be refusing to buy both ME1 and ME2.

[Xaijin]

Nightwriter wrote...

Probably has something to do with sexual content in the Sims, too. I haven't played a Sims game in forever. Do they show actual sex scenes?

Seems like last I played you could get busy under the covers or something but it didn't really show much of anything.

without mods, no.

Rated T.

[Nightwriter]

Well, there you go. Plus, in the Sims it doesn't really feel like actual people in actual scenes. Not like in Mass Effect. Mass Effect scenes and romances play out like movies almost.



Which, ironically, is what makes them good.