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[Collider]

Fox News did not talk about lesbian content. It was the sexual content of the game in general. They were grossly misinformed.

[screwoffreg]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

I'm seeing a lot of conspiracy theories in this thread. Why don't you just take the devs at their word and accept that Shepard can't romance someone of the same sex because they didn't want him to? They wrote the character and they get to dictate how he behaves. You wouldn't be complaining this much if it were a book or a movie, why complain about it because it is a video game? They already told you that they perceive this series as a third person narative (like a movie or book) and yet a lot of you seem to ignore this in favor of seeing some darker message.

They have already proved that they aren't afraid of making homosexual romances in a big budget game.

We've covered this ground already.  The whole Liara not being gay thing (she's female, surprise!!!!), cut dialogue (maybe explainable) etc etc.  Yeah, its just guesses and we will likely NEVER know.  

It is surprising because basically ever Bioware game has given you that choice in recent memory though.  Its just a jarring change.

Oh, my apologies for posting a redundant statement.

No need to apologize.  This whole thread is redundant honestly 

[screwoffreg]

Collider wrote...

Fox News did not talk about lesbian content. It was the sexual content of the game in general. They were grossly misinformed.

One of the outraged commentators admitted to NEVER playing the game to begin with. LMAO.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Well that would certainly benefit from an extra animation (though it's not critical, we don't have to be seeing the moment of penetration) but I don't think that's a very tall order. Every other part of Kaiden's relationship works with Maleshep. But as I've said, I don't think they can just make established heterosexuals bisexual once they've already laid the cards down. I just think it's something they could have comfortably included in the first place.

[Collider]

That's what I mean. They were disgustingly misinformed but like I said, had nothing to do with the lesbian stuff. Fox News should be ashamed ;(

[Onyx Jaguar]

Also not to derail this thing, but in media anyway bad publicity can be good in the short run, however can create problems in the long run

[screwoffreg]

Well I have hope in the dev team to really LET IT ALL OUT in ME 3 in all aspects. That means satisfying endings to ALL plot ends and romances. Baldurs Gate II and their other games left no ambiguity as to how your characters ended up at the end of the long road. I don't want a Bethesda ending or what the DA ending seems like (assuming we use different Wardens in the sequel) with the mysterious "and they disappeared into the mists".

[Collider]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Well that would certainly benefit from an extra animation (though it's not critical, we don't have to be seeing the moment of penetration) but I don't think that's a very tall order. Every other part of Kaiden's relationship works with Maleshep. But as I've said, I don't think they can just make established heterosexuals bisexual once they've already laid the cards down. I just think it's something they could have comfortably included in the first place.

Ray, any romance can work with any gender. But like what you said, whatever is in the game is canon and should stay that way.

[Ray Joel Oh]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...
If you read the devs response in the OP Ray then you should know that Bioware wouldn't do what you are suggesting.  He addresses that very method of making a homosexual romance scene in the OP.

I read it, but evidence suggests that they definitely considered it.  And I really like the idea that they write each romance individually, but I think many people would have been happy for the easier way out versus nothing.

[GuardianAngel470]

Collider wrote...

Bad publicity can yield more money, but it does not have to. Literally. If you are being sponsored or assisted by other companies, they will withdraw giving you money or doing business if your publicity is negative enough.

Yes but when a news organization behaves as ignorantly as Fox did with ME1 you can count on them to advertize a game while only making themselves look like fools.  It is strategic and can be done with the right leak to the right person.  In this case Fox would probably pick up on a homosexual romance and they might run a segment or two on it.  They can't make it look too bad or they risk shooting themselves in the foot again as well as just making themselves look bad in general.  They might be perceived as homophobic, which is bad.

They may also have learned their lesson from the problems they had with ME1.  They might run less negative segments in general.

[screwoffreg]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Bad publicity can yield more money, but it does not have to. Literally. If you are being sponsored or assisted by other companies, they will withdraw giving you money or doing business if your publicity is negative enough.

Yes but when a news organization behaves as ignorantly as Fox did with ME1 you can count on them to advertize a game while only making themselves look like fools.  It is strategic and can be done with the right leak to the right person.  In this case Fox would probably pick up on a homosexual romance and they might run a segment or two on it.  They can't make it look too bad or they risk shooting themselves in the foot again as well as just making themselves look bad in general.  They might be perceived as homophobic, which is bad.

They may also have learned their lesson from the problems they had with ME1.  They might run less negative segments in general.

Obama is president now so Fox News is busy running reports that Stalin will soon take over the US and fire will rain from the heavens in God's Judgement.

[Xaijin]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

I'm seeing a lot of conspiracy theories in this thread. Why don't you just take the devs at their word and accept that Shepard can't romance someone of the same sex because they didn't want him to? They wrote the character and they get to dictate how he behaves. You wouldn't be complaining this much if it were a book or a movie, why complain about it because it is a video game? They already told you that they perceive this series as a third person narative (like a movie or book) and yet a lot of you seem to ignore this in favor of seeing some darker message.

They have already proved that they aren't afraid of making homosexual romances in a big budget game.

Because players have control. Empathic investment is far FAR higher.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Collider wrote...

Ray, any romance can work with any gender. But like what you said, whatever is in the game is canon and should stay that way.

I know, and I don't think there's anything to do about it at this point, I just hope for Bioware to continue pushing that envelope in the future.  Either in ME3, or whatever comes after it, or their other franchises.

[screwoffreg]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Bad publicity can yield more money, but it does not have to. Literally. If you are being sponsored or assisted by other companies, they will withdraw giving you money or doing business if your publicity is negative enough.

Yes but when a news organization behaves as ignorantly as Fox did with ME1 you can count on them to advertize a game while only making themselves look like fools.  It is strategic and can be done with the right leak to the right person.  In this case Fox would probably pick up on a homosexual romance and they might run a segment or two on it.  They can't make it look too bad or they risk shooting themselves in the foot again as well as just making themselves look bad in general.  They might be perceived as homophobic, which is bad.

They may also have learned their lesson from the problems they had with ME1.  They might run less negative segments in general.

Obama is president now so Fox News is busy running reports that Stalin will soon take over the US and fire will rain from the heavens in God's Judgement.

Do we have to drag more politics into this debate?

The point is they are very busy combatting Socialism.  And that wasn't opinion, its literal in the sense those are the actual REPORTS THEY RUN.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 06 avril 2010 - 04:26 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...
If you read the devs response in the OP Ray then you should know that Bioware wouldn't do what you are suggesting.  He addresses that very method of making a homosexual romance scene in the OP.

I read it, but evidence suggests that they definitely considered it.  And I really like the idea that they write each romance individually, but I think many people would have been happy for the easier way out versus nothing.

That is probably true but that isn't the way the devs wanted to write Shepard.  They chose to make Shepard hetero and complaining about it is useless as it is their character, they choose what's what on an overarching level.  We only get the semblance of choice in ME.  I've heard DAO is more varied but as I've never played it I can't say.

[Ray Joel Oh]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I can't see that though.  The reason I say that is if it woud be more profitable than they would most likely have done it.  They are a business afterall. 

We'll never know.  It's just my projection.  They did take many risks, which I do appreciate, I'm just always happy for more.

[GuardianAngel470]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Bad publicity can yield more money, but it does not have to. Literally. If you are being sponsored or assisted by other companies, they will withdraw giving you money or doing business if your publicity is negative enough.

Yes but when a news organization behaves as ignorantly as Fox did with ME1 you can count on them to advertize a game while only making themselves look like fools.  It is strategic and can be done with the right leak to the right person.  In this case Fox would probably pick up on a homosexual romance and they might run a segment or two on it.  They can't make it look too bad or they risk shooting themselves in the foot again as well as just making themselves look bad in general.  They might be perceived as homophobic, which is bad.

They may also have learned their lesson from the problems they had with ME1.  They might run less negative segments in general.

Obama is president now so Fox News is busy running reports that Stalin will soon take over the US and fire will rain from the heavens in God's Judgement.

Do we have to drag more politics into this debate?

I agree with Johnny, politics is unecessary to this discussion.  Fox behaved ignorantly in the ME1 instance and they have probably learned from their mistake.  Let's drop all discussion of Fox and politics as I believe it is against forum rules.

[screwoffreg]

Politics is hardly unnecessary as the very thing we are discussing deals with political pressure or concerns supposedly being the reason such issues were cut. If we started talking about the Health bill or the war in afghanistan you'd have a point. Otherwise it is a very salient issue to discuss the political forces that may or may not have influenced a decision in the game.

[screwoffreg]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Bad publicity can yield more money, but it does not have to. Literally. If you are being sponsored or assisted by other companies, they will withdraw giving you money or doing business if your publicity is negative enough.

Yes but when a news organization behaves as ignorantly as Fox did with ME1 you can count on them to advertize a game while only making themselves look like fools.  It is strategic and can be done with the right leak to the right person.  In this case Fox would probably pick up on a homosexual romance and they might run a segment or two on it.  They can't make it look too bad or they risk shooting themselves in the foot again as well as just making themselves look bad in general.  They might be perceived as homophobic, which is bad.

They may also have learned their lesson from the problems they had with ME1.  They might run less negative segments in general.

Obama is president now so Fox News is busy running reports that Stalin will soon take over the US and fire will rain from the heavens in God's Judgement.

Do we have to drag more politics into this debate?

The point is they are very busy combatting Socialism.  And that wasn't opinion, its literal in the sense those are the actual REPORTS THEY RUN.

Yeah ok, well one could also say that CNN and MSNB are very busy promoting socialism in the actual reports that they run.

Pshaw, I wish. 

[Nightwriter]

Xaijin wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

I'm seeing a lot of conspiracy theories in this thread. Why don't you just take the devs at their word and accept that Shepard can't romance someone of the same sex because they didn't want him to? They wrote the character and they get to dictate how he behaves. You wouldn't be complaining this much if it were a book or a movie, why complain about it because it is a video game? They already told you that they perceive this series as a third person narative (like a movie or book) and yet a lot of you seem to ignore this in favor of seeing some darker message.

They have already proved that they aren't afraid of making homosexual romances in a big budget game.

Because players have control. Empathic investment is far FAR higher.

It's true. You sell your gamers on the concept of choices and they are going to become upset when you compromise their choices. It's just the way it is.