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[Silver]

If they don't re-implement the relationship between my femshep and Liara in ME3, I would be seriously pi**ed.

Also, making Liara a teammate once again would be quite nice, but there are enough threads about that.

[danitiwa]

I don't think you one should whine that much considering how many conservative people there are out on this planet, Bioware seems to be doing their best to balance all audiences, they did make Liara a homosexual option in ME1, but sadly they can't be too bold with content in the games, because they'd loose a lot of profit. That's just the way it is, lots of idiots who refuse to realize games are good even though they contain things that are different from what they're used to. Stupid fanbois who go and immediately label the game series as "GHEY".

Not that I give much of a **** about those people, but Bioware has to earn a good amount of money so they can keep making these wonderful games. Otherwise, no ME, personally I'd rather have straight, less provocative ME than no ME at all.

Modifié par danitiwa, 05 avril 2010 - 10:33 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ah yes "homosexuality", we have dismissed that claim.

On a serious note, the answer is simple. Tali just doesn't swing that way. That would be the lore answer. Having homosexual options is fine. But making everyone bisexual just to please everyone is cheap.

[the_one_54321]

As an unbiased (I haven't played ME1, and don't really care who is romancable in ME2) their explanation made sense to me. I would consider it acceptable.

[danitiwa]

@KnightofPhoenix
True as well, we must respect sexual diversity.

Modifié par danitiwa, 05 avril 2010 - 10:35 .

[The Angry One]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ah yes "homosexuality", we have dismissed that claim.
On a serious note, the answer is simple. Tali just doesn't swing that way. That would be the lore answer. Having homosexual options is fine. But making everyone bisexual just to please everyone is cheap.

The confusion arises because, with Tali in particular but with all of the LIs, their dialog is the exact same regardless of gender right up to an arbitrary cutoff point.
While "linking suits" can be plutonic, and has to be taken that way with FemShep, the fact remains that the dialog up until then is interchangable and then just... stops.
For all of Hudson's arguments about making situations unique for each gender, they are in fact exactly the same.

[hannels]

It's cute how they think we actually believe their excuses.

[screwoffreg]

danitiwa wrote...

I don't think you one should whine that much considering how many conservative people there are out on this planet, Bioware seems to be doing their best to balance all audiences, they did make Liara a homosexual option in ME1, but sadly they can't be too bold with content in the games, because they'd loose a lot of profit. That's just the way it is, lots of idiots who refuse to realize games are good even though they contain things that are different from what they're used to. Stupid fanbois who go and immediately label the game series as "GHEY".

Not that I give much of a **** about those people, but Bioware has to earn a good amount of money so they can keep making these wonderful games. Otherwise, no ME, personally I'd rather have straight, less provocative ME than no ME at all.

There is no substantive proof they'd lose a lot of profit though.  ME 1 still was a big success DESPITE the media attention.  Hell, it probably helped if anything.  Look at all the bad hype for Grand Theft Auto and no one gave two craps and they are huge games.

I understand Bioware's new position, though.  In the past they were strictly a PC RPG maker.  In those days, Baldurs Gate II selling 2,000,000 copies in its lifetime was a big deal.  Now they can push 2,000,000 copies of ME 2 in what, a week?  The sad thing is, as companies consolidate into bigger companies (Bioware into EA), there is less and less competition or differing voices.  Other than Bioware and maybe Square, who the hell makes serious RPG's anymore?

That said, doesn't mean we have to like it. 

Modifié par screwoffreg, 05 avril 2010 - 10:38 .

[the_one_54321]

If they are writing characters, and they write that the character is gay, straight, or bisexual, then that is what the character is.

David Gaider has made very similar comments regarding DA:O.

@AngryOne
I have friends that make flirty comments with my other friends who are the same sex as they. It never goes farther than that.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 05 avril 2010 - 10:38 .

[Mooner911]

I don't think having to write more code, create more graphics, and record more dialogue is a legitimate excuse. And Ray just plainly didn't answer the question.

[Onyx Jaguar]

hannels wrote...

It's cute how they think we actually believe their excuses.

Well I might believe an excuse when I see one.

[screwoffreg]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

hannels wrote...

It's cute how they think we actually believe their excuses.

Well I might believe an excuse when I see one.

Of course they are excuses.  The one positive I think we fans should be glad with is that they are slipping ONE lesbian romance under the radar in Liara, which of course they deny for self-preservation reasons.  I guess they are secretly winking and nodding at us to at least give them credit for that.

[the_one_54321]

I'm getting the feeling that no explanation will be good enough for a whole lot of people. That doesn't speak well of the people playing the game.

[The Angry One]

the_one_54321 wrote...

If they are writing characters, and they write that the character is gay, straight, or bisexual, then that is what the character is.

David Gaider has made very similar comments regarding DA:O.

The difference is Dragon Age gives a broad spectrum of options among different characters. There are characters who are gay, there are those who aren't. Fair enough.
Mass Effect 2 skirts around the issue entirely. No the Kelly non-romance doesn't count.

@AngryOne
I have friends that make flirty comments with my other friends who are the same sex as they. It never goes farther than that.

Would Tali really be the type to do that? Ask yourself. Really?

[bjdbwea]

What's worse, there are no relationships at all in Awakening (if you don't con't two vague sentences about the old DA:O LIs in the epilogue). It could be that BioWare/EA want to do away with that whole concept, but it's too early to say for sure, and of course we can't believe anything they say one way or the other.

[the_one_54321]

The Angry One wrote...

@AngryOne
I have friends that make flirty comments with my other friends who are the same sex as they. It never goes farther than that.

Would Tali really be the type to do that? Ask yourself. Really?

Yes, she would. Because she did. Because that's how she's written. The character, Tali, belongs to the person that wrote it. Not you.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 05 avril 2010 - 10:44 .

[screwoffreg]

bjdbwea wrote...

What's worse, there are no relationships at all in Awakening (if you don't con't two vague sentences about the old DA:O LIs in the epilogue). It could be that BioWare/EA want to do away with that whole concept, but it's too early to say for sure, and of course we can't believe anything they say one way or the other.

I think it was just rushed.  With that said, I really hope Awakening isn't the end of our Warden YET.  We didn't even get to see Shale or Leliana again 

[the_one_54321]

Bio-Boy 3000 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
By the way most of both responses are complete non-answers, tangenting off into insistance that there's still a great amount choice, which has little to do with the actual question.

This is the kind of reponse that the doctors always give in their interviews. Its gottent to the point where if have read one, you have read them all. 

Read between the lines. They still have to reference the questions in some way. The answers are there. People just don't like what the answers are.

[The Angry One]

the_one_54321 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

@AngryOne
I have friends that make flirty comments with my other friends who are the same sex as they. It never goes farther than that.

Would Tali really be the type to do that? Ask yourself. Really?

Yes, she would. Because she did. Because that's how she's written. The character, Tali, belongs to the person that wrote it. Not you.

That's utterly illogical, since the dialog is exactly the same aside from the cutoff point.

[Mallissin]

Really getting tired of the entitlement culture expecting every preference they have to be satisfied.



It's a narrative, not the Sims. You're playing a defined character, and they say that in both answers. No reason for them to pander, so they won't.

[screwoffreg]

The Angry One wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

@AngryOne
I have friends that make flirty comments with my other friends who are the same sex as they. It never goes farther than that.

Would Tali really be the type to do that? Ask yourself. Really?

Yes, she would. Because she did. Because that's how she's written. The character, Tali, belongs to the person that wrote it. Not you.

That's utterly illogical, since the dialog is exactly the same aside from the cutoff point.

Yeah, the recorded dialogue is the same.  The whole argument that is expensive actually goes against Bioware's point.  Why record Fem-Shep/Tali romance dialogue, pay the VO actor their same rates, and then NOT use it?

[phordicus]

hmm. page 2. before page 8 this will turn into religious flaming.