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[Onyx Jaguar]

Nightwriter wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Thats an old picture of Jon Stewart

Sure is.

Indeed

[triggerhippy]

Siansonea II wrote...

I'm thinking of two letters. One is B, the other is S.

Spot on!

[wulf3n]

 Whats with all this PG13 crap Bioware keep spewing. As far as I'm aware this isn't even a PG13 game anywhere!
Half of the reason why the first ME was so good, is because it was one of the few games that didn't treat the gaming public as kids. It had mature themes, and mature context, presented in a mature way, unlike a lot of other game devs that think just adding extreme sex or violence makes an "adult" game . Now we get PG13 relationships with M rated Violence, Drugs and Murder...<sarcasm> well that makes sense </sarcasm> .
Stop bull sh***ng us Bioware! at least have the quads to admit that the tone down of the sex/relationships in Mass Effect is because your afraid of another "Sex-Box" scandal.

[crimzontearz]

LOL I love it......entier of them answered at ALL



then again Bioware does not answer any "inconvenient" question really

[FiveThreeTen]

Shandepared wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Psychological studies I have seen state otherwise (stimulation studies, seems to be purely biological based and not a psychological/cultural factor, openess to what sexuality you are factor into those equations).  Whether or not it would be a gene that could be targeted?  Who knows, this is speculation on a science that hasn't been adapted in such a way for humans yet.

I think it would be targeted in many cases. I won't try to guess exactly how many. I do imagine a fair number of people would scan for genetic diseases and nothing else. However at the same time plenty of parents would want to pick and choose many aspects of thier children, and if they're going beyond genetic diseases it seems doubtful to me that they'd decide to neglect sexual orientation.

And the very idea of choosing your child's skin tone and eyes color to your liking makes me wants to vomit
Like if your child was a sort of doll you could design with your own tastes ...
Tracking disease like diabet is ok though, it make sense .

[jlb524]

the_one_54321 wrote...

So if I'm understanding you properly, the gripe here actually isn't about the lack of a ******/bi-sexual option in the game, it's rather that they included some reference to it but only in the negative and none of it in the possitive. 

Well, I don't know enough to agree or disagree with you about that, but it certainly does make a lot more sense than the other 90% of the complaints being voiced.

That's what I'm saying in regards to f/f romance 'content' in ME2.  Another complaint is that there also isn't any m/m content.  However, I do not wish for them to ever add it to an ME game in the same way they added f/f content in ME2...I don't want to see a gay male version of Nef, or to see gay male sex trivialized and used in a backstory to make a character seem more 'troubled' and 'edgy'.  The m/m content should be a romance on par with the hetero ones.

[Nightwriter]

I notice there seems to be much more of an outcry for f/f stuff than m/m stuff. I wonder why this is.

[Collider]

If you go by this thread only, jlb has been the most active poster. That's just one person.



But if you want an answer, it's possible that there are more lesbians and bisexual women on this site than there are gays and bisexual men.

[Nightwriter]

Oh no, I wasn't referring to this thread only. Seems like a lot of people ask why they can't have f/f relationships, and I hardly hear anyone saying they want m/m relationships.



But most of the time they're saying this because they want to romance Tali, or even Jack, but can't.

[Collider]

It's possible that there are more lesbians and bisexual women on this site than there are gays and bisexual men. About people wanting characters to be bisexual, that's nothing new. I've seen people complain about Alistair and Morrigan being straight. People just want more than what they've been given.

[jlb524]

If you go to the 'Same Sex romance' thread on the non-spoiler forum, there's plenty of people there asking for m/m romances. Also, go to the 'Fight for the Love' group and you will find people there that want them.



I do also support the inclusion of m/m romances and if I had the choice between just an f/f romance for ME3 or just an m/m romance, I would root for the inclusion of the m/m one as f/f romancers have Liara already (unless they kill her off in the meantime).

[WilliamShatner]

jtav wrote...

I can't believe I'm agreeing with jib on something, but the lesbian (bisexual) options options are atrocious.
1) Samara has sworn off sex and romance.
2) Morinth is a sexual predator who rapes and murders her victims
3) Kelly is a walking "anything that moves" stereotype.
There are no positively portrayed bi/gay/lesbian human characters. Nef is sympathetic, but a victim. This is problematic.

And the only same sex option from the first game has been turned into a revenge obessed psycho.

[Koen Casier]

I can appreciate pre-defined as being a reason for preventing gay relationships, creators choice and all but Shepard is seems not to be predefined beyond "The protagonist last name is Shepard is in the space military and is very good at his / her job, so he / she becomes the first human spectre, And he / she is straight"  Really that is it:Let me name some of the few choices the player gets to make that if Shepard was predefined he would not:

Me1: if he believes in god (in conversation with Ashley)

Me1: if he commits genocide (rachni queen)

Me1: if he believes humans should stand alone or should be a member of the galactic community (support for the terra firma party)

Me1: the double whammy of if it is justified to sacrifice the faceless many for the important few and at the same time if the humans should seize power when they have the chance.

Me1: who lives and who dies (Ashley / Kaidan choice)

Me2: double whammy: if given the power and chance he enables a second chance to entire species (krogan genophage cure) and at the same time is it acceptable to use research that was obtained unethically and if not did the victims suffer for nothing?

Me2: if he gives peace a chance or instead encourages war (Tali loyalty mission and the Tali/Legion confrontation)

Me2: if he shows mercy to his enemies if they are shown to have been deluded or kills them (Legions loyalty mission)

Me2: and the triple whammy (keeping the collector base);
a) whether a chance for victory is worth a the risk of emboldening a morally questionable organization
Is it ever acceptable to use research that was obtained in inhumane ways, if you refuse to use it did they suffer for nothing?
c) do you believe that one sentient species should actively seek to assert dominance over other sentient species?

Me2: Should I remain faithful

If a player can and is expected to make such a deep an personal choices for his character that sometimes go far beyond simple good / evil, the player should be able to decide if his character is straight / gay / bi to state otherwise is either at best to severally overvalue the value of sexuality in the makeup of a character's personality and at worst an direct insult on the players intellect and maturity.

This does not mean however, that all NPC should be available it should never be a taboo if NPC rejects the players advances (since NPCs are generally more defined), simply that the player should be free to make the advances in the first place.

Modifié par Koen Casier, 06 avril 2010 - 03:35 .

[Koen Casier]

scyphozoa wrote...

I would like it if Bioware released a game with zero romantic interests so we can actually focus on saving the world. Sexuality is a very trite thing, saving the world is significantly more important.

  
I support this statement in principia, but would that not be simply removing a choice (in the same way that they removed some of the RPG elements) instead of fixing the problem: the player should be able to choose his character behavior and the environment should react accordantly; This does not mean however, that all NPC should be available it should never be a taboo if NPC rejects the players advances (since NPCs are generally more defined), simply that the player should be free to make the advances in the first place.

[Daewan]

Nightwriter wrote...

Oh no, I wasn't referring to this thread only. Seems like a lot of people ask why they can't have f/f relationships, and I hardly hear anyone saying they want m/m relationships.

Possibly because they want to avoid the forum equivalent of gaybashing?  Or maybe they just hang out in different threads?

[Nightwriter]

Daewan wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Oh no, I wasn't referring to this thread only. Seems like a lot of people ask why they can't have f/f relationships, and I hardly hear anyone saying they want m/m relationships.

Possibly because they want to avoid the forum equivalent of gaybashing?  Or maybe they just hang out in different threads?

Yeah, you're probably right.

[WilliamShatner]

scyphozoa wrote...

I would like it if Bioware released a game with zero romantic interests so we can actually focus on saving the world. Sexuality is a very trite thing, saving the world is significantly more important.

Without sex there wouldn't be a world worth saving or anyone to do the saving.

Trite indeed.

[RyrineaNara]

Xaijin wrote...

YOU LOVE GLEN BECK.

LOVE HIM.

*shudder*

I think the man is a moron myself.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 06 avril 2010 - 03:46 .

[jlb524]

scyphozoa wrote...

I would like it if Bioware released a game with zero romantic interests so we can actually focus on saving the world. Sexuality is a very trite thing, saving the world is significantly more important.

I support this statement, for obvious spiteful reasons

'If homosexuals can't get any lovin' than neither should the straights!'

I wonder how much anger BW would receive for cutting all romantic content from their games.  It would be entertaining to watch the forums if they ever announced this:D

[Big Yam]

The BW announcement is fine for me. I don't want teh gay in my game anyway.

/nasty

[Karstedt]

RyrineaNara wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

YOU LOVE GLEN BECK.

LOVE HIM.

*shudder*

I think the man is a moron myself.

That would make you... correct, and very forgiving.