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[Mallissin]

phordicus wrote...

hmm. page 2. before page 8 this will turn into religious flaming.

And the H word will be mentioned by page 12.

[screwoffreg]

Mallissin wrote...

Really getting tired of the entitlement culture expecting every preference they have to be satisfied.

It's a narrative, not the Sims. You're playing a defined character, and they say that in both answers. No reason for them to pander, so they won't.

Look jackass I am tired of one shot winners rolling in and missing the point.  if Shepard was REALLY defined then we'd be fine.  Indications are stuff was cut out for reasons not entirely related to story line.  Maybe we are all wrong but we are entitled to opinions.  If not for those, this forum wouldn't exist.  

[Azint]

The Angry One wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

@AngryOne
I have friends that make flirty comments with my other friends who are the same sex as they. It never goes farther than that.

Would Tali really be the type to do that? Ask yourself. Really?

Yes, she would. Because she did. Because that's how she's written. The character, Tali, belongs to the person that wrote it. Not you.

That's utterly illogical, since the dialog is exactly the same aside from the cutoff point.

I noticed that it's the same for Garrus, too. Garrus and Tali actually have quite limited dialogue, now that I think about it, all the other romance options actually have a bit more developement, and the only way to get more out either Tali or Garrus is to do the romance.

[MassAffected]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ah yes "homosexuality", we have dismissed that claim.
On a serious note, the answer is simple. Tali just doesn't swing that way. That would be the lore answer. Having homosexual options is fine. But making everyone bisexual just to please everyone is cheap.

THIS!!!

Some of the characters just aren't into it.

[MassAffected]

Mallissin wrote...

phordicus wrote...

hmm. page 2. before page 8 this will turn into religious flaming.

And the H word will be mentioned by page 12.

Hockey?

[Tooneyman]

This article is way old. Sorry Its the truth this article has been on ign.com for a couple of weeks.

[the_one_54321]

screwoffreg wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

@AngryOne
I have friends that make flirty comments with my other friends who are the same sex as they. It never goes farther than that.

Would Tali really be the type to do that? Ask yourself. Really?

Yes, she would. Because she did. Because that's how she's written. The character, Tali, belongs to the person that wrote it. Not you.

That's utterly illogical, since the dialog is exactly the same aside from the cutoff point.

Yeah, the recorded dialogue is the same.  The whole argument that is expensive actually goes against Bioware's point.  Why record Fem-Shep/Tali romance dialogue, pay the VO actor their same rates, and then NOT use it?

It's illogical that she would flirt with someone of the same sex, but not take it farther than that?

The copying of the dialog saves time and cash, same way that avoiding extra animated scenes saves cash.

The character was written, and the character clearly will make suggestive comments but not enter a relationship with another female.

Tali was written and that is who Tali is. And the dialog was structured in a way that saved them some money. The answer is very clear. And "logical." You just don't like it.

[Mallissin]

screwoffreg wrote...
Look jackass I
am tired of one shot winners rolling in and missing the point.  if
Shepard was REALLY defined then we'd be fine.  Indications are stuff was
cut out for reasons not entirely related to story line.  Maybe we are
all wrong but we are entitled to opinions.  If not for those, this forum
wouldn't exist.  

"Indications" or assumptions that you make because you want something that's not there?

They write dialog so it can be moved around easily. There was probably 40-50% more dialog recorded that isn't on your game disc. The lines you're reading into might have originally been paired with other dialog options entirely.

Edit note: Quote disappeared on me when posting. Weird.

Modifié par Mallissin, 05 avril 2010 - 10:53 .

[TheLostGenius]

 The logic is simple. People who support homosexual rights will buy the game irregardless. Homophobes would avoid buying the game if they knew homosexual relationships were allowed. Bioware doesn't want to alienate homophobic people, who are entitled to their beliefs. It's a smart marketing move, they know their customers.

[screwoffreg]

Tooneyman wrote...

This article is way old. Sorry Its the truth this article has been on ign.com for a couple of weeks.

Yeah, that too.  We've tilted at these windmills before. The bottom line is Bioware made a business decision to not include certain options to keep their PG-13 rating.  Maybe they were spooked after ME 1, maybe not.  In the end, there is little we can do about it.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Tooneyman wrote...

This article is way old. Sorry Its the truth this article has been on ign.com for a couple of weeks.

Well I guess its a good thing someone else posted because I missed it too and almost posted it here but then someone else did.  SOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

This article is old but the argument remains fresh

[Tooneyman]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

This article is way old. Sorry Its the truth this article has been on ign.com for a couple of weeks.

Well I guess its a good thing someone else posted because I missed it too and almost posted it here but then someone else did.  SOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

This article is old but the argument remains fresh

Not arguing, but stating facts.

[The Angry One]

Azint wrote...

I noticed that it's the same for Garrus, too. Garrus and Tali actually have quite limited dialogue, now that I think about it, all the other romance options actually have a bit more developement, and the only way to get more out either Tali or Garrus is to do the romance.

And this is the main problem.
All arguments of how the dialog shouldn't be interchangable fall flat on their face, because the are, and thus Shepard isn't and shouldn't be defined.
If the dialogs for ManShep and FemShep were radically different there'd be a point in this, but they're not. It goes along the same lines until you're either in the romance, or you get "GENDER CHECK NOT PASSED. END OF RELATIONSHIP." and that's it.
Of course this is compounded by there being no friendship dialog, it's all romance or nothing.

[Mallissin]

It's just a rehash of the same arguments made over and over again by a minority that needs validation.

[screwoffreg]

TheLostGenius wrote...

 The logic is simple. People who support homosexual rights will buy the game irregardless. Homophobes would avoid buying the game if they knew homosexual relationships were allowed. Bioware doesn't want to alienate homophobic people, who are entitled to their beliefs. It's a smart marketing move, they know their customers.

Thats not logic if your assertion is based on your feeling.  I at least have proof of preexisting recorded dialogue.  I have yet to hear of an instance where a game didn't sell well with an M rating because its content was too racy.

Well, there was Postal, but that game SUCKED.

[the_one_54321]

screwoffreg wrote...
Yeah, that too.  We've tilted at these windmills before. The bottom line is Bioware made a business decision to not include certain options to keep their PG-13 rating.  Maybe they were spooked after ME 1, maybe not.  In the end, there is little we can do about it.

That's completely correct! So you can take the characters for how they were written, or you can complain that BioWare made a decision that wasn't ideal for you.

[The Angry One]

the_one_54321 wrote...

It's illogical that she would flirt with someone of the same sex, but not take it farther than that?

The copying of the dialog saves time and cash, same way that avoiding extra animated scenes saves cash.

The character was written, and the character clearly will make suggestive comments but not enter a relationship with another female.

Tali was written and that is who Tali is. And the dialog was structured in a way that saved them some money. The answer is very clear. And "logical." You just don't like it.

Tali is extremely nervous about entering into a relationship with Shepard both being her respected CO and not being a Quarian.
Tali, as written, would not joke about such a thing with FemShep if she didn't intend to take it further.

The fact that she does is called poor writing.

[Xaijin]

If it's anywhere like here, yup. Publishers decide DLC, Marketing, Feedback implementation, and how much is put where and when... and when it ships.

[the_one_54321]

The Angry One wrote...
Tali is extremely nervous about entering into a relationship with Shepard both being her respected CO and not being a Quarian.
Tali, as written, would not joke about such a thing with FemShep if she didn't intend to take it further.

The fact that she does is called poor writing.

Then call it poor writing if you want to. That doesn't really make a difference.

You also neglect that Tali openly flirts with Shepard before he actually says he's interested.

[Azint]

So I see, there would not be so much of a problem if the characters all had the same dialogue until it came to the romance. I am beginning to grow sympathetic to this.

[Tooneyman]

screwoffreg wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

This article is way old. Sorry Its the truth this article has been on ign.com for a couple of weeks.

Yeah, that too.  We've tilted at these windmills before. The bottom line is Bioware made a business decision to not include certain options to keep their PG-13 rating.  Maybe they were spooked after ME 1, maybe not.  In the end, there is little we can do about it.

Actually this game isn't PG-13 she shouldn't have even said that. Jack says the F-Word a little more than good for. lol. This game is R. They should have just said bang it and gone ahead and just made it bloody and a gory!

[the_one_54321]

Azint wrote...
So I see, there would not be so much of a problem if the characters all had the same dialogue until it came to the romance. I am beginning to grow sympathetic to this.

That would mean the complaint is actually that BioWare cut some corners writing dialog. It doesn't actually have anything to do with the sexuality of the characters.

[NKKKK]

Bull**** answers.