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[screwoffreg]

Eh, in the end who cares. I am voting Labour so Mandelson can rule Brittania as a gay PM to troll everyone. Good night.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Angry One wrote...
Of course this is compounded by there being no friendship dialog, it's all romance or nothing.

Dragon Age was designed to be the superior game obviously.

[Xaijin]

You realize you can cuss in a PG13 movie now, right?



No frontal nakedness, no shots going through splattering guts, bodies disappear despite the fact PCs can MORE than handle all the dead models.



They have a specific logistical goal, for pretty straightforward and obvious reasons.

[KnotEngaged]

Oh hey, it's this same thread again. Look, the developers have repeatedly stated, usually in roundabout fashion, that Shepard is not and never will be able to engaged in gay/lesbian relationships. Fan anger is not going to change this, so let's just let it go. Call it bad writing, discrimination, laziness, fear of mainstream backlash, or whatever else you want it won't change the fact that gay relationships won't happen. Sorry, but can we just accept this and move on.

[The Angry One]

Tooneyman wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

This article is way old. Sorry Its the truth this article has been on ign.com for a couple of weeks.

Yeah, that too.  We've tilted at these windmills before. The bottom line is Bioware made a business decision to not include certain options to keep their PG-13 rating.  Maybe they were spooked after ME 1, maybe not.  In the end, there is little we can do about it.

Actually this game isn't PG-13 she shouldn't have even said that. Jack says the F-Word a little more than good for. lol. This game is R. They should have just said bang it and gone ahead and just made it bloody and a gory!

Gore and swearing are progressively more and more acceptable in American media, while sex becomes more controversial. Mainstream, heterosexual sex. So you can bet homosexual sex is regarded as EVIL.
Eh, Puritans. No wonder we kicked them out.

[screwoffreg]

America might have been better off staying a British colony.

[NKKKK]

The Angry One wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

This article is way old. Sorry Its the truth this article has been on ign.com for a couple of weeks.

Yeah, that too.  We've tilted at these windmills before. The bottom line is Bioware made a business decision to not include certain options to keep their PG-13 rating.  Maybe they were spooked after ME 1, maybe not.  In the end, there is little we can do about it.

Actually this game isn't PG-13 she shouldn't have even said that. Jack says the F-Word a little more than good for. lol. This game is R. They should have just said bang it and gone ahead and just made it bloody and a gory!

Gore and swearing are progressively more and more acceptable in American media, while sex becomes more controversial. Mainstream, heterosexual sex. So you can bet homosexual sex is regarded as EVIL.
Eh, Puritans. No wonder we kicked them out.

Are you kidding? There still quite here, look at the tea party.

[Onyx Jaguar]

The Angry One wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

This article is way old. Sorry Its the truth this article has been on ign.com for a couple of weeks.

Yeah, that too.  We've tilted at these windmills before. The bottom line is Bioware made a business decision to not include certain options to keep their PG-13 rating.  Maybe they were spooked after ME 1, maybe not.  In the end, there is little we can do about it.

Actually this game isn't PG-13 she shouldn't have even said that. Jack says the F-Word a little more than good for. lol. This game is R. They should have just said bang it and gone ahead and just made it bloody and a gory!

Gore and swearing are progressively more and more acceptable in American media, while sex becomes more controversial. Mainstream, heterosexual sex. So you can bet homosexual sex is regarded as EVIL.
Eh, Puritans. No wonder we kicked them out.

That doesn't explain the more conservative religious movements in America.  Most of the Puritans remain in the colonies.

oh great prophecy fullfilled religion brought into the debate.

[Onyx Jaguar]

screwoffreg wrote...

America might have been better off staying a British colony.

Or not

[jlb524]

Tooneyman wrote...

Actually this game isn't PG-13 she shouldn't have even said that. Jack says the F-Word a little more than good for. lol. This game is R. They should have just said bang it and gone ahead and just made it bloody and a gory!

I guess they wanted to keep just the romances 'light' and PG-13 while amping up the blood, violence, profanity, and gore everywhere else!!!!!

Two women cuddling is some heavy M-rated material, you know. 

[Seagloom]

The Angry One wrote...

Tali is extremely nervous about entering into a relationship with Shepard both being her respected CO and not being a Quarian.
Tali, as written, would not joke about such a thing with FemShep if she didn't intend to take it further.

The fact that she does is called poor writing.

I just wanted to chime in with this: it isn't poor writing. It's cutting corners. BioWare has done this before. They've been doing it ever since KotOR. Bastila's friendship track was almost identical regardless of your Jedi's gender before it suddenly cut off at some point for females. Then Jade Empire repeated this with Dawn Star. I remember thinking she was coming on to my character because her dialogue was starting to get suggestive, only to see it suddenly... die, conveniently when Sky and Silk Fox rolled around. I tried it with a male then, and it was identical except Dawn Star's dialogue went into a full blown romance after the cutoff point for females. The only differences between genders in both those games were an ocassional flirtatious comment the player can make if that character is truly romanceable for them. The whole thing strikes me as a way to avoid extra voice over and writing fees.

That tangent aside, this is typical. As someone wrote earlier, the doctors always give the same typical responses. I don't blame them. They need to maintain a certain image and avoid making comments to the press that can bite them later somehow. Unfortunately this means we are unlikely to ever get the blunt answer would most prefer. As far as what I took from Casey and Ray's responses? I'm not surprised. It's about what I would expect.

Modifié par Seagloom, 05 avril 2010 - 11:12 .

[Azint]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Azint wrote...
So I see, there would not be so much of a problem if the characters all had the same dialogue until it came to the romance. I am beginning to grow sympathetic to this.

That would mean the complaint is actually that BioWare cut some corners writing dialog. It doesn't actually have anything to do with the sexuality of the characters.

If a character is not interested, that is fine. If the same character uses the same lines regardless of gender, even coming across as filirtatious, it does raise eyebrows.

[screwoffreg]

jlb524 wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

Actually this game isn't PG-13 she shouldn't have even said that. Jack says the F-Word a little more than good for. lol. This game is R. They should have just said bang it and gone ahead and just made it bloody and a gory!

I guess they wanted to keep just the romances 'light' and PG-13 while amping up the blood, violence, profanity, and gore everywhere else!!!!!

Two women cuddling is some heavy M-rated material, you know. 

My company refused to run an ad with two women sitting together in a GAY publication because it was too racy for us.  lmao.

[jlb524]

KnotEngaged wrote...

Oh hey, it's this same thread again. Look, the developers have repeatedly stated, usually in roundabout fashion, that Shepard is not and never will be able to engaged in gay/lesbian relationships.

Kelly Chambers disagrees.

[Onyx Jaguar]

jlb524 wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

Actually this game isn't PG-13 she shouldn't have even said that. Jack says the F-Word a little more than good for. lol. This game is R. They should have just said bang it and gone ahead and just made it bloody and a gory!

I guess they wanted to keep just the romances 'light' and PG-13 while amping up the blood, violence, profanity, and gore everywhere else!!!!!

Two women cuddling is some heavy M-rated material, you know. 

Blood in ME 2?  Where?

[Tooneyman]

Then comes the people saying the world will end in 2012. Omg its an earth quake. Then for some reason. Everyone lives after that faith full day and realizes there is nothing wrong with homosexuality in video games(fable) and then we all live happily ever after until some religious group comes up with another armageddon theory!

[Mallissin]

screwoffreg wrote...

America might have been better off staying a British colony.

I take it you're British?

[the_one_54321]

Azint wrote...
If a character is not interested, that is fine. If the same character uses the same lines regardless of gender, even coming across as filirtatious, it does raise eyebrows.

But it's a shortcut, not an issue of writing or of the character.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Mallissin wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

America might have been better off staying a British colony.

I take it you're British?

No, even British are smart enough to realize how much of a hassle that would be.  I hope.

[screwoffreg]

Mallissin wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

America might have been better off staying a British colony.

I take it you're British?

You'd get wry humor and general bitterness in exchange for losing your religious fundamentalism.  Think of the benefits.

[Mallissin]

jlb524 wrote...

KnotEngaged wrote...

Oh hey, it's this same thread again. Look, the developers have repeatedly stated, usually in roundabout fashion, that Shepard is not and never will be able to engaged in gay/lesbian relationships.

Kelly Chambers disagrees.

Kelly is omnisexual. She loves to hump anything that walks on more than and including two legs.

[Tooneyman]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

Actually this game isn't PG-13 she shouldn't have even said that. Jack says the F-Word a little more than good for. lol. This game is R. They should have just said bang it and gone ahead and just made it bloody and a gory!

I guess they wanted to keep just the romances 'light' and PG-13 while amping up the blood, violence, profanity, and gore everywhere else!!!!!

Two women cuddling is some heavy M-rated material, you know. 

Blood in ME 2?  Where?

yes there is actually. I just forgot. Its blue when garrus almost dies.  I was, but when your on the suicide mission you there was none. Makes you wonder huh?

[Xaijin]

lol the name didn't give it away?

[RyrineaNara]

This is why I vote for the Liberals at least they don't tell us WHAT sexuality we have to be. Major Face palms

Fundamentalism they take the fun out of everything lol.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 05 avril 2010 - 11:13 .

[jlb524]

Mallissin wrote...

Kelly is omnisexual. She loves to hump anything that walks on more than and including two legs.

The Shepard inviting her up to her room for some stripping and cuddling can damn well be a lesbian.